Game Day Round 10 vs. Fremantle, Sun 22/05, 5:20pm OS

[vinnievavoom]

Firstly, we haven't done well with our low picks and second, this years draft shits all over the Murphy draft, let it go bro

Im not sure what i have to let go.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Murphy was more consistent than Thomas but Thomas’ highs of 2010-11 are better than Murphy’s highs.

Must’ve been short lived highs given Thomas only polled fourteen Brownlow votes across those two seasons…

Thomas had a three week purple patch in those years and that was it. People ridiculously overrate his 2010/11 off the back of it

 

[vinnievavoom]

It's a complex issue and I see your point but in the draft-based environment, a couple picks really do make a difference.
I understand we make as many selection errors as other clubs (Freeman over Cripps), but the club tried really hard for Bont - imagine if we'd had pick 4 instead of pick 6...hell, I'd have taken pick 4 instead of 6+10.

You almost need to re-phrase it. Instead of winning culture you're developing effort culture. You don't judge performance in terms of game results but of internal parameters based upon effort. You give your all and the game is fun.
And I hope you don't think im being flippant or dismissive, I really want us to win...but I want to try to win whilst building a squad that will win a flag.

I see your point about Bont. But imagine if we picked Murphy instead of Pendles, because if we had the opportunity, we would have. Luck of the draw and there ae no certainties in the draft.

 

[manicpie]

Effort culture is a given for any sporting side. I dont know if Norf or the Bombers lack effort. But i know what you mean, and agree. But isnt picking players only because they are young, or not picking players because they are old demoralising for everyone in the team. All players want to do is when when they cross the white line. Picking a team not based on merit is demoralising, and can lead to a lack of effort across the team.

But we aren't tanking and don't look like tanking. We are just an average side with an average list. What's the point of finishing 9th and not 15th, which is where we will finish. As long as there is a never give up attitude, we will be fine. We don't have to win any games for that to happen. You seem to putting too much emphasis on actually winning, rather than making sure we did everything possible to win

 

[vinnievavoom]

Must’ve been short lived highs given Thomas only polled fourteen Brownlow votes across those two seasons…

Thomas had a three week purple patch in those years and that was it. People ridiculously overrate his 2010/11 off the back of it

Thats a fair point. But goes to show, pick 3 Thomas not as good as pick 5 Pendles.

 

[vinnievavoom]

But we aren't tanking and don't look like tanking. We are just an average side with an average list. What's the point of finishing 9th and not 15th, which is where we will finish. As long as there is a never give up attitude, we will be fine. We don't have to win any games for that to happen. You seem to putting too much emphasis on actually winning, rather than making sure we did everything possible to win

Yup. Agree with you there. What i have been saying all along. We do everything we can do to win. Pick each team on its merits. Given our limited list though, its likely will end up 12th to 16th this year.

 

[Magnanimous]

Perth gets most of its rainfall in the cooler months & bugger all over summer.

Had a fair bit this summer


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[stormskye]

Had a fair bit this summer


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When? . It was hottest it’s been for ages. I lost half my fruit trees . Half decent morning in Perth today, suns out. Have to wait and see if forecast is accurate

 

[Bianconeri]

Must’ve been short lived highs given Thomas only polled fourteen Brownlow votes across those two seasons…

Thomas had a three week purple patch in those years and that was it. People ridiculously overrate his 2010/11 off the back of it

There were allot of good players in that side to compete with for votes including Swan and Pendlebury. 14 Brownlow votes doesn’t reflect how good he was those two years. You’re massively underrating how good he was.

 

[Jen2310]

When? . It was hottest it’s been for ages. I lost half my fruit trees . Half decent morning in Perth today, suns out. Have to wait and see if forecast is accurate

BOM says sunny morning, rain in afternoon/evening, so see what the next few hours brings.

 

[Fruit]

Must’ve been short lived highs given Thomas only polled fourteen Brownlow votes across those two seasons…

Thomas had a three week purple patch in those years and that was it. People ridiculously overrate his 2010/11 off the back of it

I’ve always thought similar. He had two stronger seasons in between a lot of inconsistent seasons. His two strong seasons were when the side was flying which always makes it easier.

 

[loki04]

Ok. lets rephrase that then. Murphy lived up to number one IMO, was a bit soft, but serviceable. I was comparing pick one with pick 5. 5 picks wont change much if you pick well and can do some smart trading.

We won’t get a top 5 pick if we keep tracking with play to win aka try for finals, the team listed this week will see a big up tick on last few weeks Imo our best 22 is capable of 8th to 11th placing pending injury.

it’s more like pick 4 to 5 vs pick 8 to 10. The calibur of player available is different typically.

 

[vinnievavoom]

We won’t get a top 5 pick if we keep tracking with play to win aka try for finals, the team listed the eek I’ll see a big up tick o last few weeks.

it’s more like pick 4 to 5 vs pick 8 to 10.

Typo... I meant to say that Murphy didn't live up to being a number one pick.

Refer to previous posts. Not worth sacrificing the team morale, ethic and integrity for the sake of picking a kid who is speculatively better than another.

 

[loki04]

I would rather old leaders influencing and teaching on/off field during these extra wins because that accelerates the learning of the kids, which has huge longterm benefits.
Kids watching and listening to Pendles etc on/off field can’t be under estimated.
And acceleration and leadership of youth far outweighs a slightly higher draft position.

Why would pendles be dropped? it’s your fringe types. I’m not saying (and I have stated this repeatedly) to drop the entire senior squad and play the 2nds team. So why talk as if I am?

We are talking about calls like WHE vs Poulter, or C.Brown a 6th year fringe player vs Macrea, etc.

Its about the making that ledger of youth 1 or 2 to many, not 15 to many.

Im not sure when ever this discussion happens peoples minds instantly go to extreme tanking scenarios like Melbourne and Carlton through the 00s. Many other teams before and after them have “managed“ years.

 

[vinnievavoom]

Why would pendles be dropped? it’s your fringe types. I’m not saying (and I have stated this repeatedly) to drop the entire senior squad and play the 2nds team. So why talk as if I am?

We are talking about calls like WHE vs Poulter, or C.Brown a 6th year fringe player vs Macrea, etc.

Its about the making that ledger of youth 1 or 2 too many, not 15 too many.

Im not sure where ever this discussion happens peoples minds instantly go to extreme tanking scenarios like Melbourne and Carlton through the 00s. Many other teams before and after them have “managed“ years.

Not fair on players who are on the list and have earnt the right to play based on the selection panel and coach's opinion.

 

[TradeDraft]

We do have a Pretty Good Record over there I think one 2 out of 3 vs Eagles

 

[No SPIN]

Why would pendles be dropped? it’s your fringe types. I’m not saying (and I have stated this repeatedly) to drop the entire senior squad and play the 2nds team. So why talk as if I am?

We are talking about calls like WHE vs Poulter, or C.Brown a 6th year fringe player vs Macrea, etc.

Its about the making that ledger of youth 1 or 2 to many, not 15 to many.

Im not sure when ever this discussion happens peoples minds instantly go to extreme tanking scenarios like Melbourne and Carlton through the 00s. Many other teams before and after them have “managed“ years.

I’m fine with 1 or 2, because I don’t see that as disruptive in terms of culture and probably doesn’t give us less wins anyway.

 

[Horaceg]

I would have thought as a historian, you would have an interest in researching historical events, and know what fascism is. Perhaps research Mussolini and Hitler, and see that in Australia, our political parties and our system is as far away from fascism as you could get. We are a democracy, and one of the best in the world.
You have NFI if you think the Liberals are fascists. They are as much fascists as Labor are communist dictators. Neither is true.

Well said, people think they can say anything they want because our politicians do, be better people, be fair and be just.

…….unless we are talking about Carlton, that’s the exception.

 

[loki04]

I’m fine with 1 or 2, because I don’t see that as disruptive in terms of culture and probably doesn’t give us less wins anyway.

1 to 2 extra would definitely make it harder to win vs mid range and above teams.

 

[TradeDraft]

5:20 Start in Perth or Melbourne?

 

[SchuPie]

I see your point about Bont. But imagine if we picked Murphy instead of Pendles, because if we had the opportunity, we would have. Luck of the draw and there ae no certainties in the draft.

IMO you have to approach it as if you are going to select the best player possible at the allocated pick - the higher the better
i understand about late developers, idiosyncrasies of the draft, gems in the rough - but surely a higher pick offers better access to the best players.
Saying we'll just as likely pick a gun with pick 10 as pick 2 defeats the notion of a draft.

Select for matchday in a development year that best optimises our future while balancing the needs of our list.
I guess this come back to my original point, IMO 2022 isn't about the final result, it is about the adoption of a game plan and the evaluation/development of the list...who play each game to win. The best 22 each week for our club isn't necessarily the best 22 players we have available at each position.

 

[sr36]

Yet McCreery with 3 possessions retains his spot. Despite Henry's disposal errors, his was a far more promising contribution in what was a poor team performance.

We really are scraping the barrel when arguing between the bloke who had 3 possessions and the bloke who completely butchered his 10 possessions.

 

[Jen2310]

5:20 Start in Perth or Melbourne?

Melb.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

We really are scraping the barrel when arguing between the bloke who had 3 possessions and the bloke who completely butchered his 10 possessions.

Probably but Henry has x factor which adds to the viewing experience.

 

[unplugged]

I feel like we've never been a good wet weather team for as long as I can remember, but having seen Fremantle's best footy this year, they're a very good side at using the quick, 45 degree pass going 30-40 metres. Not sure that will hold up if the weather turns.

If the rain comes we need to increase our pressure and really take away their ability to control the ball.

I think we'll probably lose but I reckon we're due for a good performance.