Preview Round 15 St Kilda vs Essendon

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Saturday Night under roof at Etihad Stadium will see the Saints come up against their ‘bogey’ side, Essendon who have won last 4 against the Saints. The last time St Kilda won was Round 8, 2009. Since 2004 it is 6 wins a piece.

St Kilda has some major concerns heading into this week’s clash, their inability to stop sides scoring against them must be causing headaches for all the coaches. So far in 2012 St Kilda has lost 3 games when they’ve scored over 100 points and further 2 games when scoring over 90 points. In previous 3 years this happened on one occasion, Round 19 2009 ironically that was against Essendon. How can a club that has prided itself on its defensive structures all sudden lose forget how it’s done? It might be due to fact majority of their players just don’t have the skills required to play such attacking brand of football and this in turn costs you on rebound.

Essendon will play a very attacking and fast style of game, a lot like North Melbourne but unlike the Roos they will hurt you on turnover earlier and won’t give you second chance. If Saints aren’t switched on early or don’t make it count on scoreboard it could get very ugly very early on.

Michael Hurley, Jobe Watson, Brent Stanton and Stuart Crameri are in career best form and have all taken their game to next level. Hurley has been dominate forward having kicked 11 goals in last 2 games. The Saints will need to shut him down if they are to have anychance.

MEDICAL ROOM
Once again the Saints ruck stocks look like the might have taken a hammering with both backup rucks in Rhys Stanley (hamstring) and Jason Blake (ankle) in some doubt this week. Watters said they will both be accessed today. Apart from those two we are virtually injury free with Jack Newnes (Quad) listed as a test last week so assume he’d be fit to return this week, most likely via VFL. Rookie Warrick Andreoli (shoulder) is only other player on injury list, but that’s likely to change when it gets updated on Tuesday evening.

KEY MATCHUPS
Jobe Watson vs Lenny Hayes – Jobe is kind of player that you can’t seem to tag (bit like Lenny) so maybe we just run the two of them head to head and sit back and enjoy the contest!

Brent Stanton vs Clint Jones – If Jones returns to the side then must get run with role on Stanton who like Dal Santo can never shake the tag.

Michael Hurley/Stuart Crameri vs Sean Dempster/Sam Fisher – Think Crameri maybe under fitness cloud as think he went off injured? With no key defender I honestly have no idea who should play on their key forwards anymore. If Simpkin comes back maybe he takes one of them.

David Hille/Patrick Ryder/Tom Bellchambers vs Ben McEvoy – Reckon its safe to assume the Bombers will play all 3 rucks this week and really try to exploit our weakness, which is lack of rucks and tall defenders. Especially if Rhys Stanley & Jason Blake are out.

CHANGES
The Saints have a few areas of concern at selection table this week. They have been playing players when not 100% fit and not rewarding good VFL form. Justin Koschitzke is clearly player on chopping block after not registering kick, mark or goal and having just 3 handballs for day. He was seen vomiting throughout the game but fact is he hasn’t been in form for couple months. In last 7 games has averaged just 8 disposals and kicked only 5 goals, 3 of which came against Gold Coast. Something needs to be changed and with Beau Wilkes kicking bags every week in VFL and averaging about 4 a game down there its only matter of time that he has to come in. Saving grace for Kosi could be if Stanley & Blake miss with injury as he will be required to give McEvoy some kind of help.

Terry Milera was dropped on Thursday night for what Scott Watters said was drop in form, yet he magically appeared as a late change on Sunday. Question is how can his form have changed all sudden, especially when they took Farren Ray out of squad who has averaged 28 disposals in last 3 VFL games and coming off best on ground 37 dispsosals week before. He will once again push for selection as he gathered another 28 touches and kicked 2 goals in Zebras loss to Port Melbourne.

Ahmed Saad wasn’t himself and it showed that he missed 3 weeks of footy. He’ll be better for the run and will probably keep his place.

Clint Jones & Arryn Siposs were late withdrawals last week due to “general soreness” and Watters has said they’ll be in mix next week.

Tom Simpkin has been missed and had great game playing on Port Melbournes Dean Galea in VFL. He kept him goalless after quarter time after he kicked 3 early goals, 2 of which weren’t due to Simpkin

The issue facing Saints is Sandringham has yet another bye, so whoever they drop won’t have opportunity to play next week so will probably miss next 2 games.

EDIT: Brendon Goddard also likely to come under scrutiny from MRP for hit behind play.

ON CHOPPING BLOCK: Jason Blake (inj), Rhys Stanley (inj), Terry Milera (omit), Justin Koschitkze (omit), Brendon Goddard (susp)
IN CONTENTION: Beau Wilkes, Clint Jones, Arryn Siposs, Tom Simpkin, Farren Ray

Honestly can’t see Saints winning this one and think Essendon will be too strong by about 30 points.
 
aussiethunda Nice write up.
Goddard would have to be a chance to get a week suspension for his hit during yesterdays game off the play I imagine. Prob really depends on how the MRP are feeling this week so hopefully he'll be right.
Looked to have a lot of strapping on that knee also so maybe a weeks rest won't hurt. Had no influence yesterday anyway.
 
Out Blake (inj) Stanley (inj) Goddard (susp) Milera (omitted)
In Simpkin Siposs Ray Newnes
 

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aussiethunda Nice write up.
Goddard would have to be a chance to get a week suspension for his hit during yesterdays game off the play I imagine. Prob really depends on how the MRP are feeling this week so hopefully he'll be right.
Looked to have a lot of strapping on that knee also so maybe a weeks rest won't hurt. Had no influence yesterday anyway.

cheers, ah crap i forgot about Goddards likely suspension!
 
Out Blake (inj) Stanley (inj) Goddard (susp) Milera (omitted)
In Simpkin Siposs Ray Newnes

Swap Newnes for Wilkes and i reckon thats probably about right. Newnes would have missed 4 weeks by time game next week, really think needs to play at least game in VFL.
 
Blake (inj), Stanley (inj), Goddard (susp), Milera (omit), Koschitzke (omit)
Simpkin, Siposs, Ray, Wilkes, Ledger/Jones

It's a given we'll be smashed in the hit outs regardless of who we put up, so go in with the one recognised, 3rd man up around the ground and allow Rooey/Wilkes to take the ruck in the F50 giving Macca the centre bounces and trending back plus the additional rotational running option.
 

Considering Black got a reprimand for this (skip to 30sec) BJ should have nothing to answer for.

Wilkes, Ray, Simpkin & Jones are names that should return. Kosi has to play because McEvoy cannot ruck alone.
 
Brendon Goddard can accept two matches for striking Sam Wright
 
Stewart Crameri can accept two matches rough conduct Dylan Addison
 
Jarryn Geary cleared contact Andrew Swallow - Geary had his eyes on the ball and his actions were an attempt to spoil.
 

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Would like to see Ray, Wilkes, Siposs and Simpkin all return for next week and maybe even see Ledger get a game as his pace would be handy against a quick Essendon side.

Kosi deserves to be dropped but he might get a reprieve to provide ruck back up for McEvoy if Stanley and Blake aren't fit to play.

Brendon Goddard can accept two matches for striking Sam Wright

You're f***ing kidding, two matches for that is ridiculous when guys like Black and Selwood get off with nothing for similar incidents. I'm so sick of the MRP's inconsistency and as always we're on the wrong end of it.

Hopefully the club challenges it, although it probably won't do much good.
 
Jarryn Geary cleared contact Andrew Swallow - Geary had his eyes on the ball and his actions were an attempt to spoil.

So why was that a 50m penalty? It should have only been a free kick and then the umpires made it worse by giving another 50m penalty against Milne despite both teams players scrapping with each other. It just gifted North a goal right on half time, pathetic umpiring.
 
Hope Saints contest charge in an attempt to lower it to low impact, why not.

I'd say the player obviously accentuated contact, further displayed in his ability to not only see out the game, but to postively impact it.

So well enough to continue, well enought to impact the game, well enough to be a smarty pants.

I'd show all the other incidents between the two, and argue there was a bit of hollywood about the entire matchup.
 
Hope Saints contest charge in an attempt to lower it to low impact, why not.

I'd say the player obviously accentuated contact, further displayed in his ability to not only see out the game, but to postively impact it.

So well enough to continue, well enought to impact the game, well enough to be a smarty pants.

I'd show all the other incidents between the two, and argue there was a bit of hollywood about the entire matchup.

Wright was getting in Goddard's face the whole night and instigated it but the umpires and MRP never take that into account and punish the guy that retaliates. FFS it was just a light clip around the head that Wright made look worse than it was, it wasn't a full on punch like Scarlett with Ballantyne yet he only got 3 weeks for that and Goddard gets 2 weeks for a light clip around the head. The MRP is an absolute bloody joke, their inconsistency is disgraceful.
 
Hope Saints contest charge in an attempt to lower it to low impact, why not.

I'd say the player obviously accentuated contact, further displayed in his ability to not only see out the game, but to postively impact it.

So well enough to continue, well enought to impact the game, well enough to be a smarty pants.

I'd show all the other incidents between the two, and argue there was a bit of hollywood about the entire matchup.

He'll cop 3 weeks if he fails.
 
OK thanks.

Still think it could be argued low.

Even in the slow mo, the impact does not look severe to me

He's an idiot for doing it though.

Opposition teams must laugh at how easily he gets sucked in.
 
Would like to see Ray, Wilkes, Siposs and Simpkin all return for next week and maybe even see Ledger get a game as his pace would be handy against a quick Essendon side.

Kosi deserves to be dropped but he might get a reprieve to provide ruck back up for McEvoy if Stanley and Blake aren't fit to play.



You're f***ing kidding, two matches for that is ridiculous when guys like Black and Selwood get off with nothing for similar incidents. I'm so sick of the MRP's inconsistency and as always we're on the wrong end of it.

Hopefully the club challenges it, although it probably won't do much good.

The big killer is that you can't challenge on the basis of inconsistancy.
Deliberate, High impact , head

Forget the brownlow's, Write's girl gets to go to the Logies this year, with the nominee for best actor in a sporting event.
 
He'll cop 3 weeks if he fails.

So he'll get the same number of weeks that Scarlett got for a full on punch to the face, yeah that makes sense.:rolleyes:

We should still challenge it I reckon, even if we lose it will further expose the MRP for the inconsistent joke that they are.

He's an idiot for doing it though.

Opposition teams must laugh at how easily he gets sucked in.

Yeah I agree it was stupid and he shouldn't get sucked in as easily as he does but it's easier said than done when you have some bloke getting in your face all day like Wright was doing to Goddard. What annoys me is that the umpires let that stuff go and then punish the guy that retaliates and not the guy that provokes it.
 
2 weeks for that? Really?

It looks as though he hit him with an open hand, and Wright went to ground like a sack of f****** s***

Guess the 2 weeks could be good for him, get his head screwed on right. Deserves it for his stupidity though. Our players get sucked it WAY to easily.
 
Im really struggling to understand how anyone can defend Goddard. Is it the RW&B glasses coming into play? Watch it again Wright gets up and runs to contest & Goddard whacks him in the jaw. If it was other way around you'd be crying for electric chair.
 

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