Preview Round 16, Sydney vs Geelong, Friday 30 June 7:50pm @ SCG

[cats_09]

Team Geelong:

AFL Round 16 Team​

IN: Patrick Dangerfield, Esava Ratugolea

27

Esava Ratugolea

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

131.6

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

109.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

133.8

3star

OUT: Jeremy Cameron (injured), Mark O'Connor

42

Mark O'connor

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.1

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.3

4star

MG

174.8

3star

D

12.4

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.6

3star

MG

199.8

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.4

1star

(injured)
Milestone: Zach Tuohy equals Jim Stynes' record for most VFL/AFL games played by an Irish-born player (264 games)

Backs	Jed Bews	Sam De Koning	Zach Guthrie
Half Backs	Jack Henry	Esava Ratugolea	Tom Stewart (VC)
Centreline	Isaac Smith	Patrick Dangerfield (C)	Mitch Duncan
Half Forwards	Ollie Henry	Gary Rohan	Tyson Stengle
Forwards	Tom Atkins	Tom Hawkins	Brad Close
Followers	Rhys Stanley	Mark Blicavs	Tanner Bruhn
Interchange	Jake Kolodjashnij	Max Holmes	Zach Tuohy
	Gryan Miers
Emergencies	Brandan Parfitt	Oisin Mullin	Ollie Dempsey
	Jack Bowes

 

[Gunf]

Did not see MOC out at any stage in the last week so i am surprised at that

Did we even have any murmurings about him being injured?

 

[Gunf]

Team Geelong:

AFL Round 16 Team​

IN: Patrick Dangerfield, Esava Ratugolea
OUT: Jeremy Cameron (injured), Mark O'Connor (injured)
Milestone: Zach Tuohy equals Jim Stynes' record for most VFL/AFL games played by an Irish-born player (264 games)

Backs	Jed Bews	Sam De Koning	Zach Guthrie
Half Backs	Jack Henry	Esava Ratugolea	Tom Stewart (VC)
Centreline	Isaac Smith	Patrick Dangerfield (C)	Mitch Duncan
Half Forwards	Ollie Henry	Gary Rohan	Tyson Stengle
Forwards	Tom Atkins	Tom Hawkins	Brad Close
Followers	Rhys Stanley	Mark Blicavs	Tanner Bruhn
Interchange	Jake Kolodjashnij	Max Holmes	Zach Tuohy
	Gryan Miers
Emergencies	Brandan Parfitt	Oisin Mullin	Ollie Dempsey
	Jack Bowes

Dempsey for sub? would not surprise me given his form but they could also want him to keep getting full games in the VFL to keep building.

I would say the sub will be him or Bowes.

 

[calder_daddy]

I understand Cameron is out but it’s a surprise McCartin isn’t back and named in the emergency’s
A late change I’m expecting

 

[cats_09]

Dempsey for sub? would not surprise me given his form but they could also want him to keep getting full games in the VFL to keep building.

I would say the sub will be him or Bowes.

Or maybe Mullin to keep up our required Irish numbers

 

[Gunf]

As an FYI to everyone, Bowes already named as sub - which is something we've started doing in recent weeks, since the AFL changed the rules around it

They changed the rules?? when did i miss that

 

[Zuta]

As an FYI to everyone, Bowes already named as sub - which is something we've started doing in recent weeks, since the AFL changed the rules around it

Are you sure, I haven't heard anything from the AFL about that change of rules. And he isn't named sub..

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Overall I think we're building and will be too good for the competition when it counts. But the Swans are a very good and proud unit who will be hard to beat.

Tipping us for back to back?
Brave.

 

[Gunf]

Are you sure, I haven't heard anything from the AFL about that change of rules. And he isn't named sub..

Same here even on the Cats site is says we will name a sub 1 hr before game time

 

[you pick one]

I understand Cameron is out but it’s a surprise McCartin isn’t back and named in the emergency’s
A late change I’m expecting

Don't they usually go with Robbie Fox to Cameron?

 

[Gunf]

Don't they usually go with Robbie Fox to Cameron?

Yes and he has done a very good job lately on him

 

[you pick one]

We might get the Henry brothers head to head in a shoot out tomorrow night.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Warner out is a pretty big loss for them.

 

[cats_09]

As an FYI to everyone, Bowes already named as sub - which is something we've started doing in recent weeks, since the AFL changed the rules around it

Can I ask where that's mentioned as it's not in the club's team announcement

 

[cats_09]

They changed the rules?? when did i miss that

They didn't

We've also previously named the sub at team announcement time - Cooper Whyte & Jhye Clark for example

 

[cats_09]

It was a brief thing released, but it was something the coaches were complaining about - having to omit players who they wanted as the sub (and it looking like they were being dropped when they weren't; Heppell, Cotchin etc).

Now, the player is 'OUT', but has in brackets (Sub). Some other teams just omit the player and put a new one in, but when it's the same player you want as your tactical sub the following week, and you're not technically 'omitting' them - that's what gets put there now instead.

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That doesn't mean Bowes is the sub this week, it just means he was the sub last week and hasn't been bought into the 22 this week

 

[Gunf]

It doesn't. Otherwise it would say 'omitted' - as it traditionally did.

We're not the only club that's done this, and I keep an eye on it because I play Fantasy footy.

Interesting i haven't noticed this but as i have been largely busy this year the fantasy implications have skipped my view

 

[calder_daddy]

Don't they usually go with Robbie Fox to Cameron?

Sorry I should’ve been clearer
I meant it as they don’t need a lot of KPD but McCartin normally plays on Hawkins

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

It was a brief thing released, but it was something the coaches were complaining about - having to omit players who they wanted as the sub (and it looking like they were being dropped when they weren't; Heppell, Cotchin etc).

Now, the player is 'OUT', but has in brackets (Sub). Some other teams just omit the player and put a new one in, but when it's the same player you want as your tactical sub the following week, and you're not technically 'omitting' them - that's what gets put there now instead. If they were dropped and a new player was coming in, it would just say 'omitted.'

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No that just means the sub has been omitted.

It's been like that for every team all season.

 

[ShaunWDT]

It was a brief thing released, but it was something the coaches were complaining about - having to omit players who they wanted as the sub (and it looking like they were being dropped when they weren't; Heppell, Cotchin etc).

Now, the player is 'OUT', but has in brackets (Sub). Some other teams just omit the player and put a new one in, but when it's the same player you want as your tactical sub the following week, and you're not technically 'omitting' them - that's what gets put there now instead. If they were dropped and a new player was coming in, it would just say 'omitted.'

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That just means the activated sub the previous week isnt named in the 22 lol, its been like that literally all season..

 

[cats_09]

It doesn't. Otherwise it would say 'omitted' - as it traditionally did.

We're not the only club that's done this, and I keep an eye on it because I play Fantasy footy.

That's not correct when it comes to the sub; if the sub doesn't come into the starting 22 the following week, they're listed as: Out (sub) - been that way since the sub war reintroduced

There's 4 other players all listed the same on the team sheets for this round, and I bet that not all will play as the sub in this round

It's simply a case that when there's more outs than ins for the 22, to explain where the odd out comes from, they list them as being the sub for the previous round - is: they weren't starting 22 last week, they were the sub and haven't been bought into the 22 this week

Besides, Geelong has been willing to name their sub early across the season when they see fit, the fact that they've instead included this line in the team announcement suggests that haven't locked in the sub just yet: The Cats will name their substitute one hour before the first bounce.

 

[cats_09]

No that just means the sub has been omitted.

It's been like that for every team all season.

And last season and the season before...

 

[cats_09]

It actually hasn't. I can guarantee you it used to say 'omitted', and now it says 'sub' since the coaches cracked it over it.

GC have done the same, as have the Dogs this week. Both Rory Atkins and Rhylee West are listed as first emergency, and both have (OUT) with sub listed next to it instead of omitted.

I'm not gonna bother trying to convince anyone lol, but if all of Bowes, West and Atkins are sub this week, it will prove itself.

That's because both Atkins & West were the sub last week and that haven't come into the team this week

As examples from earlier in the season:

Round 11 - note that Dempsey is listed as Out (Sub)... He wasn't Sub versus GWS



Round 3 - Cooper Whyte was sub against Carlton in Round 2, he was then Out (Sub) in Round 3, and we know he hasn't played since


Our (Sub) = the player who was sub last week, isn't bought into the 22 this coming round

 

[Shadow89]

That's because both Atkins & West were the sub last week and that haven't come into the team this week

As examples from earlier in the season:

Round 11 - note that Dempsey is listed as Out (Sub)... He wasn't Sub versus GWS
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Round 3 - Cooper Whyte was sub against Carlton in Round 2, he was then Out (Sub) in Round 3, and we know he hasn't played since
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Our (Sub) = the player who was sub last week, isn't bought into the 22 this coming round

Honestly, thanks for that. I had both articles that stated that coaches wanted the change, and genuinely thought that they'd brought it into effect on the basis of what has been happening with other team announcements I've been paying attention to.

I couldn't find these prior team changes to show things one way or the other, so at least now I have confirmation. Must have been just a massive coincidence that the players I was paying attention to were then sub again the next week (literally more than 5 players off the top of my head).

Definitely got that one spectactuarly wrong, apologies to all for the misinformation (though not consciously doing so!)

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These are the articles for anyone who wants to know why I was so adamant, yet so wrong, lol:

More late changes incoming? AFL clarifies team selection rules

The AFL has clarified its stance on team selection, with clubs told they have plenty of flexibility with naming their 26-player squads

www.afl.com.au

“Change the bloody rule”: Healy urges AFL to respond to coach concerns

“No one wants it to stay as it is. We don’t have to wait until the end of the season.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Vdubs]

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I might agree with you that in one on one contests Kolo might beat or neutralize his opponent more often. However he doesn't add much more. He might occasionally take an intercept mark or less occasionally go for a dash. However Savratugolea will take towering defensive marks, crash the pack or get a fist to the ball. He can neutralize two forwards at the same time. He is a key position player, Kolodjashnij is a role player. I think that is why Chris Scott talks so highly of Ratugolea.

Agree- they complement each other- I don't see it as either/or, it's both