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I think dismissing King entirely is as wrong as hanging on his every word. Same with any of the talking heads.
There is a reason we lose games the way we do and have done for years. Those guys calling it out is what they do.
Rightly or wrongly there are lots of moments in footy that change outcomes... To me there is little doubt that under pressure nearly all the team need to think through them and perhaps do things differently.
They actually lost 3 of their last 5 games.I actually think close wins are preferable heading into finals. How many times did the Pies bury their opponents leading up to last years finals?
I will have permanent scars from being in attendance vs Tigers in 22, Dees in 23, and Pies this year. I was hesitant to go but I went anyway, and it wrecked me. Why must they put us through it hahaWe're so sick of losing at this ground, especially in that fashion. 4 out of our last 7 MCG games we've lost by a goal or less.
Surely you're going to get the hint eventually! Stop going!!!I will have permanent scars from being in attendance vs Tigers in 22, Dees in 23, and Pies this year. I was hesitant to go but I went anyway, and it wrecked me. Why must they put us through it haha
It's the same manner every time!
I just watched the footage of the 4 missed goals in the 3rd quarter. You could almost make an excuse for Bailey, Ashcroft & Lohmann (if you really really wanted to...), but Cam Rayner's miss! Dead in front, 20 meters out.Whatever result we get from finals this year is irrelevant.
Next preseason needs to be almost entirely set shots practice. Honestly f*ck everything else, unlike some others here I don’t really have much of a problem with most of how we’re playing otherwise. Yes there’s issues, but a LOT of issues can get papered over with good goal kicking. I mean take last week, we effectively played one good quarter out of four and still should’ve smoked the giants - but the accuracy was the difference. Our current gameplan and style will generate more than enough opportunities for shots to win; we just need to take advantage of that.
I seem to remember a story from Lynchy about how he got more comfortable kicking set shots in his transition forward; where he just spent an entire off season doing nothing but kicking at goals.
Opening round collapse v the Blues was worse and in the long run had just as much impact on our season.
After the 1st quarter that night I was eyeing off an undefeated season, that quarter of footy was breathtaking from us.
I went through security at the same time as the Lions players on Sunday morning at Melbourne airport. They were in the other queue (not the priority queue, general queue like everyone else, just I was on the left side and they were on the right).Bailey has the nerve to have a good laugh with McSpray after the game.
It's not rocket science is it, really.Goal kicking has to be our NUMBER 1 PRIORITY at training...HAS TO BE!
.... been a problem for far too long. Fix that and our boys are unstoppable and can run rings around other teams..
Missing goals gets inside their heads which leads to other stuff ups etc.
We see tackle numbers but never the % of missed tackles. I think we'd find this very illuminating as well.Ashcroft 1
Zorko 1
Ahchee 0
Bailey 0
Cameron 0
Rayner 1
That's the tackle count. Blame shit kicking all you like... And you can... But we have too many 1 way players. Over and over we guard space and wave our arms around.
Zorko was wholey unaccountable all night and others not much better.
We are soft when the pressure is on and it needs sorting. We will continue to lose the way we always have unless something changes
I didn't even get angry. I'm numb to it now.I have never been more angirer than I am/was walking out of the ground. That was insipid.
The skill level of AFL players is deplorable compared to other professional sports. It’s just not the Brisbane Lions missing shots in front, it’s the whole league. How players consistently handball to other players feet from 5 metres and how can so many players be drafted and not be able to kick off their non-preferred! I recon EPL players and professional golfers must watch AFL and laugh.
If AFL clubs told professional golfers how much time the players spent goal kicking practice in a week the golfers would reply - don’t you mean a day not a week?
It’s still a great game due to all its other attributes. Skill level just isn’t one of them.
Plenty of professional golfers completely miss the fairway, the green or a putt from a couple of meters.The skill level of AFL players is deplorable compared to other professional sports. It’s just not the Brisbane Lions missing shots in front, it’s the whole league. How players consistently handball to other players feet from 5 metres and how can so many players be drafted and not be able to kick off their non-preferred! I recon EPL players and professional golfers must watch AFL and laugh.
If AFL clubs told professional golfers how much time the players spent goal kicking practice in a week the golfers would reply - don’t you mean a day not a week?
It’s still a great game due to all its other attributes. Skill level just isn’t one of them.
I've said this for many years, but I've never understand why training, particularly during the season, isn't conducted during the time of upcoming matches. I mean they're almost always training mid morning and rarely doing so between 2-5pm, 4:30-7:30pm or 7.10-10:30pm? Why not?I'm a great believer that you should train as you play, and I'm not convinced we do that.
We've lost two games by a point this year that have basically derailed our quest for a premiership, when so much of what we do is in great order. Details matter.
100% on that.We see tackle numbers but never the % of missed tackles. I think we'd find this very illuminating as well.
Another fundamental to go with goal kicking I believe we neglect.
Yep, think it's very strange we don't train at similar times to when we play. Certainly from February onwards. Up to that point I'd prefer to see us train in the middle of the day and actually get some leverage out of our preseason conditions.I've said this for many years, but I've never understand why training, particularly during the season, isn't conducted during the time of upcoming matches. I mean they're almost always training mid morning and rarely doing so between 2-5pm, 4:30-7:30pm or 7.10-10:30pm? Why not?
I'm not saying we aren't alone, but I suspect its a convenience thing for everyone associated with the club so they have typical business hours as partners and the like and perhaps knowing the AFLPA they have dictated players can't train after certain times. But how does that then prepare players for match day conditions or in the very least acclimatize the body to playing sport at a particular time when you never train for it? All week you're training in the mornings and then come weekend, you're still playing games well after 10pm!
It still feels like AFL clubs have a bloody long way to being fully professional becuase the other point you touched on, some of our goalkicking is so diabolical its not funny. I mean park footy players are just as stuffed when they line up for goals and aren't missing the sodas our guys and don't tell me its pressure when they also have a few thousand watching them and the stakes are also high for their teams and position within the league.
To add to what M Malice said, the athlete pool for AFL players is incredibly limited. 528,000 people participated in AFL in 2024, which includes kids, women, seniors (superleague). In contrast, soccer is estimated to have over 250million players worldwide (also including kids, women, seniors), from which a well-resourced EPL club can pick the absolute elite to stack their squads. There are more professional football clubs in Europe, than we have professional AFL footballers.The skill level of AFL players is deplorable compared to other professional sports. It’s just not the Brisbane Lions missing shots in front, it’s the whole league. How players consistently handball to other players feet from 5 metres and how can so many players be drafted and not be able to kick off their non-preferred! I recon EPL players and professional golfers must watch AFL and laugh.
If AFL clubs told professional golfers how much time the players spent goal kicking practice in a week the golfers would reply - don’t you mean a day not a week?
It’s still a great game due to all its other attributes. Skill level just isn’t one of them.
Pretty sure it's usually 9 or 10am. I think when we travel and have it on opposition turf it may be in the arvo purely for logistical reasons.I thought they usually alternate. The captains run at least is in the afternoons