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I literally said to my friends at the game while Joe was lining up, "if we want to be a great team, there's no fuss here. He goes back, nails the goal, slams the door shut on Collingwood and their season. He misses, we're just a good, middling-to-ok team."Blaming my brother for this loss, when Daniher was kicking for goal with a few mins left he said “it’s over”
Honestly ,I don't know why someone hasn't tried it . How often do you see the Rugby Pros. spray it ?
I worked with Sean Clingeleffer for a few years in our day jobs. For those who don't know, Sean was Tasmanian wicketkeeper for many years at Sheffield Shield and one day level. Scored a century in a Shield Final that Tassie went on to win.Honestly ,I don't know why someone hasn't tried it . How often do you see the Rugby Pros. spray it ?
The other thing that worries me is that some of our guys seem to aim at the space. You need a small target. Aiming at the post would do . You're going to hit it once in 20 times and hopefully go inside it the other 19 with the right bias on the kick. Or aim at someone in the crowd.
You see some guys line up with no clue. They play golf. Look at how the pros line up their putts. It's methodical and leaving little room for error.
Anyone who thinks kicking for goal is hard should get the vision of Cam Smith when he won the British Open .He was holing them from 15- 30 feet one after the other across slopes, uphill/downhill, wind factor. You can't get a smaller target than a golf hole.
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Miles Davis practised for hours every day too.Jimi Hendrix was never seen without his guitar. He took it when he went to the toliet.
To be really great at something you need to be obsessive about it.
Likewise I don't buy the too tired, or they've got too much else to concentrate on to be an accurate kick at goal. You can see some players go weak at the knees every time they have to take a shot. I'm guessing because they haven't got the confidence in their routine . Sure there are angles and wind factors but for a professional there's no excuse for spraying it when you're 20m out.
I'm guessing most of them don't practice enough or get the right professional help to ensure they're practicing the right way. It's a crucial element of the game where you can really hurt the opposition by rarely missing the gettable ones.
You mean like Essendon?Miles Davis practised for hours every day too.
I'm reading Robert Caro's magnificent study of Lyndon Johnson, whose "mantra" was that if you are in a competition you must do everything you possibly can to win, absolutely everything. If you do that, then you will win.
(NB: for him that included cheating, fraud, lying, stealing elections, and treating other people like slaves...awful person).
I remember when Aker was playing watching him after training staying on the field after everyone else had left and running along the boundary, picking up the ball having shots, running away from goals turning quickly and having a snap etc. So I do agree that someone who is obsessive like a Hendrix or SRV, or in football case Aker will help them be great.Jimi Hendrix was never seen without his guitar. He took it when he went to the toliet.
To be really great at something you need to be obsessive about it.
Likewise I don't buy the too tired, or they've got too much else to concentrate on to be an accurate kick at goal. You can see some players go weak at the knees every time they have to take a shot. I'm guessing because they haven't got the confidence in their routine . Sure there are angles and wind factors but for a professional there's no excuse for spraying it when you're 20m out.
I'm guessing most of them don't practice enough or get the right professional help to ensure they're practicing the right way. It's a crucial element of the game where you can really hurt the opposition by rarely missing the gettable ones.
I believe it was banned not long after Lynchy did it in 04, becoming the last person to ever score a goal with a place kick.Honestly ,I don't know why someone hasn't tried it . How often do you see the Rugby Pros. spray it ?
The other thing that worries me is that some of our guys seem to aim at the space. You need a small target. Aiming at the post would do . You're going to hit it once in 20 times and hopefully go inside it the other 19 with the right bias on the kick. Or aim at someone in the crowd.
You see some guys line up with no clue. They play golf. Look at how the pros line up their putts. It's methodical and leaving little room for error.
Anyone who thinks kicking for goal is hard should get the vision of Cam Smith when he won the British Open .He was holing them from 15- 30 feet one after the other across slopes, uphill/downhill, wind factor. You can't get a smaller target than a golf hole.
What!? When? How do I not remember this!I believe it was banned not long after Lynchy did it in 04, becoming the last person to ever score a goal with a place kick.
Well they did talk about McRae time management on Browns podcast and Campbell as well as Browny did mention part of it if not most of it was not letting the ball out and locking it up with confidence the umps wouldn’t ping them. Now they don’t have that and all of a sudden they are losing close ones.
I believe it was banned not long after Lynchy did it in 04, becoming the last person to ever score a goal with a place kick.
I can’t find anything on it but I’m sure it happened. I’m thinking 2004 or around then at least.What!? When? How do I not remember this!![]()
Joe probably got potted for this, but why didn’t Charlie double back and lead to basically anywhere he wanted to?
Don’t disagree but there was an acre of space if Joe kicked it straight away. Think most of the blame goes on him.
Charlie was leading to the goal square. All joe had to do was kick it for charlie to mark and run into an open goal square.We had a great view of this at the game. Charlie didnt have to double back. All joe had to do was kick it to charlie and not bounce the ball. Im not sure what charlie should have done differently. Everyone around was going off at Joe so yes he deserved to be potted for this. I would have dragged Joe to be honest and had a nice subtle chat but hey thats only my opinion.
Rubbish!
I think Joe intended to pass to Charlie but Charlie buggers it up by running straight towards the goalsquare
Unless Joe can execute an absolutely perfectly weighted pass over the Pies defender's head and hit Charlie at full stride, then Charlie is going to get gobbled up by the defender who is only a metre away from Charlie when Joe crosses the 50
Have a really good look at it.
Instead of running towards goal at full pace and running out of room, all Charlie has to do is double back towards the acre of space between full forward and CHF. Then Joe doesn't have to take that ill fated time buying bounce.
I think that is on Charlie rather than Joe. Charlie's first instinct is always to try to get over the back, even if that's not the best option
Lack of spatial awareness by Charlie IMO.
Maybe Charlie was drawing his opponent away from Joe allowing him to run closer to goals and have a shot?
I've mentioned this before but it's crap for Cornes to say "all Joe had to do was put it in front of Charlie to run into an open goal". Charlie was rapidly running out of real estate with a defender hot on his heels. Charlie could and should have turned back into the acres of space behind him and the defender would have been totally wrong footed. Joe made a skill error with the bounce but he doesn't need to bounce if Charlie just gives him a simple lead earlier in that piece
Absolutely correct.
I've been banging on about this twice before in the post mortems of this game.
So much vitriol and BS directed at Joe for being "selfish" in this incident when all he is attempting to do is to get Charlie to lead to space for either a kick and mark or a handball over the top for a "Joe the Goose"
The bounce was a skill error pure and simple but Charlie made things so much more difficult for Joe by running away from him rather than towards him. Or alternatively , running to somewhere else into the ample space that was available to him.
If "blame" is to be allocated, Charlie is more of the culprit than Joe here
Have not seen this. Do you know where it's available?Not sure why Fox don't publish these things wider than they do, but I though the footage of Dunkley mic'd up against Collingwood was exceptional. Unlike most players they mic even Zorko, there isn't a lot of insight, but Dunks was fanatastic and his encouragment, on-field coaching and even his interaction on the bench with a line coach up in the box about manning Daicos was brilliant.
It really made it apparent to me why he was elevated to the leadership group as quick as he was.
I have searched on all of Fox’s socials and not found it otherwise I’d have posted it but they showed maybe two minutes of it I think on 360 or Couch last Monday.Have not seen this. Do you know where it's available?
The only one anything like this I can recall was in the 2003 Semi Final against Adelaide. Lynchy got a free kick or a mark in the goal square, basically on the goal line.Last player to use a place kick or drop kick in a AFL game.
Mathew Lloyd was a backwards dropkick Corrected for spelling and accuracywww.bigfooty.com
This thread looks to have someone that remembers it. If my memory was right, it was definitely in the goal square and it was talked about at the time.
They did a few different edits of Zorko in the Sydney game over the next couple of weeks. Maybe they will do the same with Dunks. Didn't even know he'd been miked up until your post above. Cheers.I have searched on all of Fox’s socials and not found it otherwise I’d have posted it but they showed maybe two minutes of it I think on 360 or Couch last Monday.
I sort of don’t know why they aren’t released more broadly or bigger edits outside the two minutes they showed; I mean you’ve gone to the trouble of miccing a player but then it’s not publicly accessible which then begs the question; why go to the trouble.
It's good that they look at the mental side of things but hopefully we are adjusting our game plan in those late game situations. Some of the footage shown for our set up with McCreery's goal was concerning. We had 6 forwards outside 50 still. I know there was still time on the clock but surely we push more forwards up to the stoppage and congest it better.
Yep definitely two sides of the coin here, and when the TV heads brought up this "6 forwards" business on Sunday night, my mind went straight to the Melbourne game that buttermuffs is referring to.Especially after giving up two straight goals. Of course in the past against Melbourne we did the opposite and it happened all the same. Frustrating and when it happens again at the MCG it’s upsetting.
You know when even Ian Healy is pointing out our lack of energy on breakfast radio, yep, it was ordinary. So good for 2 months up to and including the St Kilda game, donuts since, even in 2 games we've been leading for 90% of.Should take note of how collingwood treated a dead rubber, Moore absolutely pumping them up pre game, their emotion towards team mates making great plays mid game. What do we do, sulk when team mates don't pass to each other, Not many team players in this team. Dunks and Starcevich are lone warriors.
I ended up messaging Lynchy and Browny on social media. Doubtful they will get back to me because I don’t know them at all, but you never know.The only one anything like this I can recall was in the 2003 Semi Final against Adelaide. Lynchy got a free kick or a mark in the goal square, basically on the goal line.
This was back in the day where even if you marked it in the goal square you still got pulled around on a stupid angle, directly out from the centre of the goal line.
So Lynchy walked right up to the man on the mark, who's like half a metre from the goal line, looked over and asked the field umpire, "this is fine, right?", held the ball right down at his ankle and toed it through from about a metre out. The Adelaide guy threw his arm out at it but with no success.
I remember thinking that was so smart and why don't more players do that. This was before you had blokes running around and doing J-curves instead of normal drop punt set shots.
Maybe this is what people are thinking of?
I ended up messaging Lynchy and Browny on social media. Doubtful they will get back to me because I don’t know them at all, but you never know.