Autopsy Round 3, 2024: Positives and Negatives vs Western Bulldogs

[Rajeshtalk]

Positive: HReid will be playing finals in 4 years…
Negative: it’ll be for Collingwood or Geelong

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Waterman works hard but he looks “almost” capable of winning a game off his own bat.Mate when your charging forward look infield.
It’s almost like we train on a 20m wide oval and all we do is run in straight lines and look ahead. Never sideways.
Coaches this is on you!!!
BW worked hard but again never lowers his eyes when he has the footy.
When the ball was at HB if our guy had a kick they NEVER looked infield for a 15m kick. 15m into the middle opens up just that bit more of the ground.
I screamed all game” give it to Harley”. Kick 15m backward or sideways but just give it to Harley!!! I really think some of our players/coaches are thick.
I remember comments back around 2018 to the effect that Freo practiced running and WC just did skills skills skills!.
JJ? was a fan but mate where’s the run the confidence?
Gibney goes in the middle last quarter; attacks the contest and wow two clean fast clearances.Attack young man ; attack!
Jammo did ok but another who just bombs.
I guess it’s easy to criticise bombing the ball but players need to lead and move. It’s no good giving a 20-30m lead and stopping. Move through and if necessary give another lead.Movement is what helps break down defences.
Richmond showed today just how important attitude is.Hunger for the contest.
Simmo I don’t know how but you need to bring out the inner beast!

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Surprised by the mood here. We suck, but we all knew we sucked? Blown away by one bad quarter, wasted so many chances in front of goal and the scoreboard could have looked almost respectable if we actually kicked it through the big sticks.

At times last year we played zero quarters of footy. We’re playing two to three quarters of competitive footy each game this year. The one that we don’t, we get blown away. That’s the reality of where we’re at right now.

Trending up, this year compared to last.

To put it in perspective. Our average losing margin is 64 points. I was expecting us to be bad this year. But not worst team in history bad like last year which I thought was down to injury.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

To put in perspective how utterly ****ed the club is.

In Fitzroy's last two seasons in the competition their w/l and % was
1995- W2 L19 %58
1996- W1 L21 %49

In GWS' dreadful first couple of years in the competition
2012 - W2 L20 %46
2013- W1 L22 %50.9

West Coast last two years,
2022 - W2 L20 %59.8
2023 - W3 L20 %53

So far as I can tell no team in the AFL era has had three consecutive seasons with a percentage below 60%, and so far this year west coast are tracking at 49%.

So yeah, if things continue on their current course this season, west coast will have a legitimate claim to having delivered the most sustained period of dismal failure in AFL history- all the more incredible given they will have done it without having been in the process of going bankrupt or being an expansion team starting from scratch. They just have no gameplan and some really really awful footballers getting a game each week.

 

[Goroyals22]

Yeo may have been one of our best but this sums up our work rate and lack of effort. Getting outrun by plodder Jack McRae


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[new breed]

Jamieson looks improved gaining some confidence, I think in defense he keeps his spot gives freedom to McGovern .

Ginbey pretty good in patches towards the end of the match , finding his way at AFL level .

No negatives the team is working its way week by week , they will find their niche later in the season .

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Yeo may have been one of our best but this sums up our work rate and lack of effort. Getting outrun by plodder Jack McRae


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I thought Leigh Matthews was pretty spot on talking about the hope and effort relationship. We have been without hope for awhile it's hard to maintain the effort.

 

[sharps24]

Yeo had 66% time on ground for 29 possessions so yeah, he's probably not 100% fit and the way he plays it wouldn't surprise me if he's never been able to run all day. But, he's a rare highlight watching this filth at the moment and as long as he'd getting through games uninjured I couldn't care less. How about Ginbey lead the way when it comes to running as apparently he's the fittest bloke on the list. Play to your strengths.

 

[the harry]

Scoreboard aside, this was better than round 1

 

[Balls In]

Yeo may have been one of our best but this sums up our work rate and lack of effort. Getting outrun by plodder Jack McRae


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No that's a stupid, spineless analysis by that knob to isolate one play and forward a theory of why we suck is due to lack of effort by the likes of Yeo. Yeo can hold his head high, McGovern also. The issue is we don't have contributing players under about 28. We have a catastrophic list failure playing out and it's bullshit to blame those who are contributing.

 

[kaiserchief13]

I thought Leigh Matthews was pretty spot on talking about the hope and effort relationship. We have been without hope for awhile it's hard to maintain the effort.

So, who's fault is it that it's gotten to this point where as a professional athlete you can't be expected to put full effort in because your team is that shit there is no point?

 

[Goroyals22]

No that's a stupid, spineless analysis by that knob to isolate one play and forward a theory of why we suck is due to lack of effort by the likes of Yeo. Yeo can hold his head high, McGovern also. The issue is we don't have contributing players under about 28. We have a catastrophic list failure playing out and it's bullshit to blame those who are contributing.

So it’s acceptable for an experienced player to run one way hard but not the other. ?? I’d give it a pass if it was the last quarter but it was plenty of time before half time… it’s not good enough
Must be simmo to think otherwise


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[Dugg]

Despite the naysayers, genuinely think our centre clearance work has improved a bunch since last year. Probably because we've got Yeo and Kelly in there full time.

I agree with that 100%, but holy shit their disposal is f***ing sh*te. Loopy handball or hack kick over their shoulder...every damn time. They could learn a few things from Reid.

 

[twce13]

+/-

Took my son (almost 6) to his first game.
He was really into it the first quater.. and eventually got bored during the 2nd qtr (not because we sucked again but because he's 5).

Anyway he asked me at 3 quater time to leave... gotta admit the early exit felt like a massive positive at the time.

 

[Balls In]

So it’s acceptable for an experienced player to run one way hard but not the other. ??
Must be simmo


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Yeo was in the handful best players on the ground in that shitshow. Your a clown as much as that idiot Bartell.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

So, who's fault is it that it's gotten to this point where as a professional athlete you can't be expected to put full effort in because your team is that s**t there is no point?

A lot of cooks in our current mess. Some gone others in the exit lounge can't see the club dumping Simmo if he can survive last year he can survive anythin.

 

[Ishmael_]

Our contested work is a lot better. The workrate without the ball flags, but that's to be expected.

Our forward half game is a nightmare. And I see that being on our senior mids not trusting the young guys to deliver into the F50 and instead bombing it forward - but also on our forward line which seems dysfunctional and isn't running hard enough to create space or capable of winning contests.

The most worrying thing is that our 'improvements' on last year are almost entirely due to Gov and Yeo playing close to their capacity.

 

[Dugg]

No that's a stupid, spineless analysis by that knob to isolate one play and forward a theory of why we suck is due to lack of effort by the likes of Yeo. Yeo can hold his head high, McGovern also. The issue is we don't have contributing players under about 28. We have a catastrophic list failure playing out and it's bullshit to blame those who are contributing.

Yeo & Kelly might do great around the contest, they are clearly skilled, but if you actually watch the game properly, they are both lazy defensively and lack any poise around the contest. How many of their handballs and kicks ended up as turnovers?

 

[sharps24]

Our contested work is a lot better. The workrate without the ball flags, but that's to be expected.

Our forward half game is a nightmare. And I see that being on our senior mids not trusting the young guys to deliver into the F50 and instead bombing it forward - but also on our forward line which seems dysfunctional and isn't running hard enough to create space or capable of winning contests.

The most worrying thing is that our 'improvements' on last year are almost entirely due to Gov and Yeo playing close to their capacity.

Yeah pretty much other than those two guys we've gone backwards. Hard to judge though because this fixture is an extreme form of punishment from AFL house. Players definitely need to start honouring Reids efforts to get into position to deliver that ball i50.

Ironically the one part of Darling's game that he's still exceptionally good at is hitting up a fellow forward. There was a ball to Waterman today [that got chopped by his defender right at the last second] that was magnificent. The coaches really need to be coming up with a way to get Darling out from under the oppo's best defenders, get him higher up the ground and delivering that ball inside 50 because almost every time he does that its going to be a mark and shot on goal. Probably not going to happen though.

 

[WA footy mad]

You think darling is the only veteran cooked, barrass was cooked after the 1st quarter. If we had another full back he wouldnt be playing. Gave up the chase directed other players to chase his man. Our forward entry was poor we had players giving them the short option but they decided we have a great marking forward in darling who couldnt get off the ground. Please dont bring back gaff, witherton can come back in but gaff is a backward step

 

[GeelongEagle]

No that's a stupid, spineless analysis by that knob to isolate one play and forward a theory of why we suck is due to lack of effort by the likes of Yeo. Yeo can hold his head high, McGovern also. The issue is we don't have contributing players under about 28. We have a catastrophic list failure playing out and it's bullshit to blame those who are contributing.

That sums up so much of our issues. Hardly anyone (Hunt aside) runs hard defensively. Yeo played very well when the ball was in his vicinity, but couldn't be stuffed trying to help out his defenders. This runs deep through the club.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

We are far behind the rest of the comp it's not funny. Been watching this club for nearly 24 years and this is the worst I've seen them.



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[Ishmael_]

Ironically the one part of Darling's game that he's still exceptionally good at is hitting up a fellow forward. There was a ball to Waterman today [that got chopped by his defender right at the last second] that was magnificent. The coaches really need to be coming up with a way to get Darling out from under the oppo's best defenders, get him higher up the ground and delivering that ball inside 50 because almost every time he does that its going to be a mark and shot on goal. Probably not going to happen though.

It's tough because the delivery to him is poor, he's lost a yard of pace, can't win contests, is double teamed and I don't think he runs or can run hard enough to work over his opponent.

 

[RookiePick]

It has to be the game plan

I refuse to believe that 24 blokes - who have been through the exhaustive and regimented processes to make it to the AFL draft - couldn't work out how to score better than the last 2 weeks with a 5 minute chat pre-game.

We still seem to be allergic to performing basic footballing tasks, like our smalls getting front and square to marking contests. I'm sure I watched Treloar rack up 10 touches by just getting to the front of a marking contest and picking up the spilled ball.

We are winning more football, which is a tick but our structure down the ground is awful. Someone was potting Yeo the other day for winning the ball and going backwards or sideways. There is no one up the field to give the ball to.

The coaches need to rip off the band-aid of extras around the ball and pushing up the ground so far and play a proper structure. Put the onus on the players to win their position. If you can't halve most contests and win a few your way gagf, you are not AFL standard.

This defensive, reactive game plan isn't even holding games to a respectable margin. We are getting embarrassed and failing to give our youngsters any opportunity to learn how to play in a manner that could win a game of footy.

Simpson is going to run out of rope very rapidly at this point if we keep playing this way.

 

[Crimson King]

To steal a meme from another sport, we are playing pure terrorist football atm. You would think the players are lobbing grenades with the way they are kicking the ball going inside 50.