Round 3 Trades

[doona]

True, that's why I have 28 guys playing each week at the moment, 13 are rookies, should be able to pick who goes and who stays as the year pans out

Already got Petracca also so no need to use a trade on him when he plays later on


There should be a new wave of rookies coming through in the next 3-6 weeks, not sure on form/coaches planning, I'm guessing out of these guys, but keep an eye out on

Adelaide: Otten (not sure when but on the radar, not on Adelaides injury list)
Brisbane: Keays
Carlton: Cunningham, Galluci and Byrne
Essendon: should be a few on the horizon, wait and see
Fremantle: Tucker
Geelong: Ruggles
Gold Coast: twas a few in preseason, but Davis got the nod. MacPherson perhaps?
Hawthorn: Brand and Heatherly get talked up by their fans
Melbourne: Petracca
Richmond: Marcon?
St Kilda: Freeman if he ever gets fit
Sydney: Rose, Newman, Leonardis
Bulldogs: Collins, Dale (absolutely smashing it in the 2s, Daniel, Hunter, McLean etc keeping him out)


The other teams don't seem to have anyone relevant yet or are too expensive or won't play etc. Paul Ahern is out for the season with an ACL it looks like, Connor Blakely broke his toe recently

Can't see any of Rose, Newman, Davis or Leonard's getting games soon or getting 3 games to earn cash.

We have McVeigh, Reid, McGlynn coming in soon as well as Rohan mid year. None of our players have put a foot wrong.

Don't think there are many in the list you had that I would bank on.

Kaeyes, Petracca are guaranteed. Byrne, Ruggles should get a run.

Don't see much outside of that tbh.

I know players will pop up, but not a good looking list

 

[go you pups]

Stating the obvious, but once a rookie debuts it's another 2 weeks before you ideally want to make the trade which can complicate things.

Gives me more time for my rookies who I already have to moo out, in previous years I've dumped rookies after 2-3 price changes to jump on fallen premiums early, this strategy works sometimes but it comes at a slight risk as you may miss out on 50-100-150k worth of price jumps, so it's chasing points I guess doing that. This year I doubt I'll do something like that until round 7 or 8 probably, whereas the last 3 years it's been round 5-6 I've made these moves (Stevie J, Watson, Ziebell among the guys I've jumped on early in 2013-15).

But there's no one out there currently who looks a good early upgrade except Hanners/JPK (they might not even be DT relevant this year with Jack, Titchell and Parker scoring well.)


The only early season rook I may miss out on at the moment is Hartley for etc (Petraccas spot via DPP), but others like Menadue and Oliver I'm not fussed with missing.

 

[go you pups]

Can't see any of Rose, Newman, Davis or Leonard's getting games soon or getting 3 games to earn cash.

We have McVeigh, Reid, McGlynn coming in soon as well as Rohan mid year. None of our players have put a foot wrong.

Don't think there are many in the list you had that I would bank on.

Kaeyes, Petracca are guaranteed. Byrne, Ruggles should get a run.

Don't see much outside of that tbh.

I know players will pop up, but not a good looking list

The list doesn't look good because some rooks have injuries who I excluded, there's a lot of rookies playing currently it seems also

While you might not think the Sydney kids will get a run, every other clubs gets injuries, so there should be rookies popping up eventually

WCE has an enormous injury list for etc, wonder if a Hutchings MK2 bobs up from there? Brisbane has a few issues also.


Looking through some expensive types who haven't played yet as substitute options

Crozier 242k FWD (seems to be on the outer, who knows)
Neal-Bullen 241k DEF/MID (wait and see, DPP handy)
Grima 241k DEF (has averaged between 64-76 every year he's played bar 1, probably a no though)
D McKenzie 236k MID (head case last year due to Richardson not picking him for weeks, but can score)
J McGrath 234k FWD (started well last year then got injured)
Menzel 231k FWD (in a lot of teams already)
Plowman 231k DEF (needs to score well, but Carlton would want something from him)
Kennedy-Harris 223k FWD (probably needs an injury to a small fwd to get a run)
J Garlett 211k FWD (could be an option, was a high draft pick)
T Lamb 211k FWD (WCE have a lot of injuries, is a tall half forward/wingman type)
Cockatoo 208k FWD (no subs vest will help, could be an option)
Mullett 207K DEF (HELL YES IF HE EVER GETS BACK IN FAVOUR)
A Black 206K FWD (needs an injury or two to a tall fwd, probably a no as he's rotting in the VFL)
Francis 202K DEF/MID (high draft pick, could be an option due to Essendon's situation)
Hopper 199K MID (kids a gun, but GWS seem to hand out the kiddy gloves the last 2 years)
Dale 193K FWD/MID (PRIME DOWNGRADE MATERIAL + DPP IS HANDY)
Curren 190K FWD (used to be St Kildas best tagger, now Maverick Weller has that gig)
Trengove 180K MID (if he gets his body right and plays a few games, yes, not on Melbourne's injury list which is good)
S Shaw 178K DEF (was a good rookie a few years ago, injuries galore since)
M Kennedy 170K MID (coming back from injury + GWS kiddy gloves, doubt he'll play til late in the year)
T West 165K RUC/FWD (needs an injury to Walker/Martin to play, probably won't avg enough)
Otten 163k DEF (on my radar and not on Adelaides injury list, prime downgrade candidate if he can get continuity in his body)
Cowan 161k DEF (way too injury-prone)
Clem Smith 151k DEF/FWD (could be an option)
Byrne 144k DEF (yep)


Dunno if that Pickett kid at GWS will ever get a run, but he's cheap at 128K, GWS kiddy gloves poster boy

I've excluded long-term injuries and most KPPs from that list

 

[doona]

The list doesn't look good because some rooks have injuries who I excluded, there's a lot of rookies playing currently it seems also

While you might not think the Sydney kids will get a run, every other clubs gets injuries, so there should be rookies popping up eventually

WCE has an enormous injury list for etc, wonder if a Hutchings MK2 bobs up from there? Brisbane has a few issues also.


Looking through some expensive types who haven't played yet as substitute options

Crozier 242k FWD (seems to be on the outer, who knows)
Neal-Bullen 241k DEF/MID (wait and see, DPP handy)
Grima 241k DEF (has averaged between 64-76 every year he's played bar 1, probably a no though)
D McKenzie 236k MID (head case last year due to Richardson not picking him for weeks, but can score)
J McGrath 234k FWD (started well last year then got injured)
Menzel 231k FWD (in a lot of teams already)
Plowman 231k DEF (needs to score well, but Carlton would want something from him)
Kennedy-Harris 223k FWD (probably needs an injury to a small fwd to get a run)
J Garlett 211k FWD (could be an option, was a high draft pick)
T Lamb 211k FWD (WCE have a lot of injuries, is a tall half forward/wingman type)
Cockatoo 208k FWD (no subs vest will help, could be an option)
Mullett 207K DEF (HELL YES IF HE EVER GETS BACK IN FAVOUR)
A Black 206K FWD (needs an injury or two to a tall fwd, probably a no as he's rotting in the VFL)
Francis 202K DEF/MID (high draft pick, could be an option due to Essendon's situation)
Hopper 199K MID (kids a gun, but GWS seem to hand out the kiddy gloves the last 2 years)
Dale 193K FWD/MID (PRIME DOWNGRADE MATERIAL + DPP IS HANDY)
Curren 190K FWD (used to be St Kildas best tagger, now Maverick Weller has that gig)
Trengove 180K MID (if he gets his body right and plays a few games, yes, not on Melbourne's injury list which is good)
S Shaw 178K DEF (was a good rookie a few years ago, injuries galore since)
M Kennedy 170K MID (coming back from injury + GWS kiddy gloves, doubt he'll play til late in the year)
T West 165K RUC/FWD (needs an injury to Walker/Martin to play, probably won't avg enough)
Otten 163k DEF (on my radar and not on Adelaides injury list, prime downgrade candidate if he can get continuity in his body)
Cowan 161k DEF (way too injury-prone)
Clem Smith 151k DEF/FWD (could be an option)
Byrne 144k DEF (yep)


Dunno if that Pickett kid at GWS will ever get a run, but he's cheap at 128K, GWS kiddy gloves poster boy

I've excluded long-term injuries and most KPPs from that list

To be honest, this new list you provided and the prices, there is still not much that interests me. I appreciate teams get injuries, but just because you want a player to debut in RDT doesnt mean they will (or will make enough money).

Out of this list: Menzel, Hopper, Trengove, Kennedy & Byrne I see would have an opportunity and value for money. Mullett could if he got selected but players like West, C. Smith, Otten, Francis (He wont average enough to warrant a 200k+ starting price) and a lot of the other maybe's are heaps expensive or not worth mentioning in Bigfooty.

Just because someone was a high draft pick, or played 1 good game a few years ago doesnt mean they will be a good downgrade. I mean Cockatoo looks like a quality player but at over 200k, could he ever average over 50?

I still dont see a lot of value there. I am a sceptic, but I think we have to disagree.

 

[2006_Eagles]

To be honest, this new list you provided and the prices, there is still not much that interests me. I appreciate teams get injuries, but just because you want a player to debut in RDT doesnt mean they will (or will make enough money).

Out of this list: Menzel, Hopper, Trengove, Kennedy & Byrne I see would have an opportunity and value for money. Mullett could if he got selected but players like West, C. Smith, Otten, Francis (He wont average enough to warrant a 200k+ starting price) and a lot of the other maybe's are heaps expensive or not worth mentioning in Bigfooty.

Just because someone was a high draft pick, or played 1 good game a few years ago doesnt mean they will be a good downgrade. I mean Cockatoo looks like a quality player but at over 200k, could he ever average over 50?

I still dont see a lot of value there. I am a sceptic, but I think we have to disagree.

How many of the first downgrades will be downgraded again though?

The second lot of rookies are picked more for their job security, rather than going through the process of getting fattened and being downgraded again aren't they?

Or do we normally downgrade a lot of the second round of rooks?

 

[doona]

How many of the first downgrades will be downgraded again though?

The second lot of rookies are picked more for their job security, rather than going through the process of getting fattened and being downgraded again aren't they?

Or do we normally downgrade a lot of the second round of rooks?

Who there has job security?

Menzel: Tick
Trengove: Tick (If he can stay standing, though he has had a long time out)

Hay bales rolling..........

 

[2006_Eagles]

Who there has job security?

Menzel: Tick
Trengove: Tick (If he can stay standing, though he has had a long time out)

Hay bales rolling..........

Hey I wasn't arguing for anyone's JS, just discussing strategies.

 

[doona]

Hey I wasn't arguing for anyone's JS, just discussing strategies.

You need to get enough cash to do the downgrade/upgrade. Thats were that list is really bad, as @ 200k+ you need to get enough cash to do the upgrade, or get a player like Menzel that could average 80+ to be the perfect F6/F7.

Keayes though coming off 30+ disposals in the NEAFL, after being in the academy with Brisbane's mid shortage along with Petracca look like targets in 3 or 4 weeks before the mooing could be worth getting in.

The only player I dont have is Papley, unfortunately went McCarthy & Milera over him. I have all the other popular/good rookies

 

[guero]

Not enough Kane Lucas in this discussion.

 

[go you pups]

How many of the first downgrades will be downgraded again though?

The second lot of rookies are picked more for their job security, rather than going through the process of getting fattened and being downgraded again aren't they?

Or do we normally downgrade a lot of the second round of rooks?

I downgrade a lot of 2nd round of rooks as my team still isn't finished by the time they peak normally. I jumped on that Kelly kid from Adelaide las year early, then got rid of him like 3-4 weeks later as he peaked very early then started to lose money.

I'm a downgrade-upgrade type of person when it comes to trades, but depends this year, might double downgrade one week then have heaps of cash left to be able to double upgrade in successive weeks

To be honest, this new list you provided and the prices, there is still not much that interests me. I appreciate teams get injuries, but just because you want a player to debut in RDT doesnt mean they will (or will make enough money).

Out of this list: Menzel, Hopper, Trengove, Kennedy & Byrne I see would have an opportunity and value for money. Mullett could if he got selected but players like West, C. Smith, Otten, Francis (He wont average enough to warrant a 200k+ starting price) and a lot of the other maybe's are heaps expensive or not worth mentioning in Bigfooty.

Just because someone was a high draft pick, or played 1 good game a few years ago doesnt mean they will be a good downgrade. I mean Cockatoo looks like a quality player but at over 200k, could he ever average over 50?

I still dont see a lot of value there. I am a sceptic, but I think we have to disagree.

So are there any rookies on the horizon then?

I think you are in AFL Fantasy mode here a little where the stockmarket has to be monitored every week and you have to nail your inseason rookies from day dot due to their prices changing after 1 game otherwise you risk not making much cash on a good rookie if you waited to long to bring them in or you pick a bad rookie who could stagnate your team value due to scoring poorly/getting dropped making it hard to upgrade.

With RDT, we have the luxury of watching rookies for 2 games before a price change and we bring in some guys to just sit on the bench like D8 or M11 and do nothing onfield while averaging 40-50 when they play (just a heartbeat) or just become short-medium term bench cover with upgrades coming in meaning less rookies are needed onfield.

Who there has job security?

Menzel: Tick
Trengove: Tick (If he can stay standing, though he has had a long time out)

Hay bales rolling..........

There were heaps of rookies we had question marks over before round 1, only Mills, Wells, Kerridge and Weitering seemed to have bonafide JS, you yourself was sceptical over Papley for etc.

It'll work itself out, does every year

 

[doona]

I think you are in AFL Fantasy mode here a little where the stockmarket has to be monitored every week and you have to nail your inseason rookies from day dot due to their prices changing after 1 game otherwise you risk not making much cash on a good rookie if you waited to long to bring them in or you pick a bad rookie who could stagnate your team value due to scoring poorly/getting dropped making it hard to upgrade.

With RDT, we have the luxury of watching rookies for 2 games before a price change and we bring in some guys to just sit on the bench like D8 or M11 and do nothing onfield while averaging 40-50 when they play (just a heartbeat) or just become short-medium term bench cover with upgrades coming in meaning less rookies are needed onfield.

A 200k+ rookie who has 2 games at an average of 50 (even 175k+) with bad JS is bad in RDT, not fantasy. fantasy you can trade them out the next week, for the next money maker. Fantasy you trade every week so you can keep making and getting cash.

RDT, you need to choose the right players. Yes there will be some good players that come through, but honestly most of the list you posted is rubbish

There will be Papley's, Saad's, Millers & Kelly's that pop up, but with the new pricing structure and realistically the lack of rookies this year will make it interesting. I mean honestly no other year would I have Dunkley with his JS as a starting mid rookie. I could easily see him getting dumped to the VFL.

I am less keen with this years stocks on a whole, and the more expensive pricing then other years.

 

[go you pups]

A 200k+ rookie who has 2 games at an average of 50 (even 175k+) with bad JS is bad in RDT, not fantasy. fantasy you can trade them out the next week, for the next money maker. Fantasy you trade every week so you can keep making and getting cash.

RDT, you need to choose the right players. Yes there will be some good players that come through, but honestly most of the list you posted is rubbish

There will be Papley's, Saad's, Millers & Kelly's that pop up, but with the new pricing structure and realistically the lack of rookies this year will make it interesting. I mean honestly no other year would I have Dunkley with his JS as a starting mid rookie. I could easily see him getting dumped to the VFL.

I am less keen with this years stocks on a whole, and the more expensive pricing then other years.

The starting prices goes up every year

Don't know why, but it does. Only thing it means is that the salary cap increases slightly every year (went up about 290k IIRC this year)

As a substitute, there were a stack of midpriced players getting massive injury discounts like Brouch, Jaegerbomb and Libba. I was very sceptical over their prices as I'm pretty sure they were way more in AFLF. Libba averaged 98 in 2014 which an 98avg would price him at about 570k in RDT this year, yet he comes in at 343k this year (imo he should've been about 425k, seems like he got a 40% discount)

Supercoach prices for etc stay roughly the same every year though, would like to see this in RDT in the future, but doubt it'll happen.

 

[2006_Eagles]

So anyone else worried that all three of Davis, Gresh and Dunkley may be dropped this week?

 

[doona]

So anyone else worried that all three of Davis, Gresh and Dunkley may be dropped this week?

Dunkley a big YES. Gresh hasn't been good, but hasn't been bad in a bottom 8 team. Davis is an unknown. Whats with the inability to have 3 rookie mids on the pine you trust?

 

[go you pups]

So anyone else worried that all three of Davis, Gresh and Dunkley may be dropped this week?

Davis won't be dropped, he'll play as a defensive forward for the time being.

Dunkley maybe for team balance, but I'm not worried, he'll play again unless he gets injured

Gresham I'm upgrading to Parish, so he can GAGF

 

[toxic]

So anyone else worried that all three of Davis, Gresh and Dunkley may be dropped this week?

Gresh the only one who might be dropped imho

 

[2006_Eagles]

Davis won't be dropped, he'll play as a defensive forward for the time being.

Dunkley maybe for team balance, but I'm not worried, he'll play again unless he gets injured

Gresham I'm upgrading to Parish, so he can GAGF

Haha, would you recommend going Gresh to Parish or stay with Oliver -> Parish?

As long as Dunkley keeps his spot I'm happy stashing Gresh away in the corner. Everyone else is playing for me.

 

[go you pups]

Haha, would you recommend going Gresh to Parish or stay with Oliver -> Parish?

As long as Dunkley keeps his spot I'm happy stashing Gresh away in the corner. Everyone else is playing for me.

Oliver will score better and make more money than Gresham as he's an inside mid and has attended plenty of stoppages already, but Parish is every chance to get to 400k quickly so yeah if you want points get in Parish somehow....

 

[2006_Eagles]

Oliver will score better and make more money than Gresham as he's an inside mid and has attended plenty of stoppages already, but Parish is every chance to get to 400k quickly so yeah if you want points get in Parish somehow....

Yeah Parish is a definite, just deciding on who to trade out for him.

Oliver seems to go missing a lot but does have much better JS than Gresh. So it's save 70k v get rid of Gresh.

 

[go you pups]

Yeah Parish is a definite, just deciding on who to trade out for him.

Oliver seems to go missing a lot but does have much better JS than Gresh. So it's save 70k v get rid of Gresh.

Well, if you're getting in Zaha/Hunter for Rockliff you can afford the Gresham to Parish move and still have money left over.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Well, if you're getting in Zaha/Hunter for Rockliff you can afford the Gresham to Parish move and still have money left over.

I like to save money where possible and means I'll have all 3 of Oliver, Parish and Mills.

Seems like a bit of overkill, especially when Gresham was a high scorer before the AFL.

 

[doona]

before the AFL.

Do we get points for the games they played "before the AFL"?

 

[2006_Eagles]

Do we get points for the games they played "before the AFL"?

Lol course not but look at someone like Keays who had 39 touches in the ressises and liekly to come in this week.

Gresh was rated as a similar fantasy ability as Keays before the draft, so he's (Keays) a decent indicator of what might come IMO.

Could see Gresh getting dropped, killing the reserves and be straight back in the team the week after.

 

[doona]

Lol course not but look at someone like Keays who had 39 touches in the ressises and liekly to come in this week

Keays was a product of a northern academy. For example, at the Swans Mills & Heeney played a lot of NEAFL underage playing against men and trained with the Swans. (GWS rookies like Hopper was playing TAC cup), I would assume Keays was similar to the swans academy players.

TAC cup for a lot of players is not a good enough level to dominate at AFL level. There are a few every year, but numbers in an underage comp means nothing. I mean Papley in his life probably never averaged 75 in a comp worth writing about.

You have to take it with a grain of salt, and also look at the positions they play. Like Mills is playing of the HBF, so he will never be as dominant point scoring as a Parish who is in the guts.

You need to take a bit of perspective when looking at a player and their scoring potential

 

[2006_Eagles]

Keays was a product of a northern academy. For example, at the Swans Mills & Heeney played a lot of NEAFL underage playing against men and trained with the Swans. (GWS rookies like Hopper was playing TAC cup), I would assume Keays was similar to the swans academy players.

TAC cup for a lot of players is not a good enough level to dominate at AFL level. There are a few every year, but numbers in an underage comp means nothing. I mean Papley in his life probably never averaged 75 in a comp worth writing about.

You have to take it with a grain of salt, and also look at the positions they play. Like Mills is playing of the HBF, so he will never be as dominant point scoring as a Parish who is in the guts.

You need to take a bit of perspective when looking at a player and their scoring potential

Pumping out 50s is ok for me if he can get a regular/semi-regular spot.

What I can't handle is 50s from Oliver at his price.