Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn Guilty for the Murder of Carol Clay

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[Terrafirma]

From anywhere within range of the tower. A huge area. Twins Rd joins up near the intersection of Dargo HPR & Great Alpine Rd.


All things aside the possibility of an alternative route (twins Rd a 4wd track) remained. A mobile phone in the area at the same time as another vehicle does not conclusively prove that said mobile phone was in the vehicle.

GL admitting this helped significantly. When did his appointed lawyer arrive or did they only speak over the phone? Had they been there not a chance GL would have cooperated.

Curious as to the terms they used "Pinged at the same time or 1 second after " Lynn's 4WD went through the CCTV camera" . Sounds like your saying it doesn't matter when Hill's phone pinged? And it also sounds like your saying digital forensics couldn't have aligned pings within meters of each other? Much was made of this evidence but it sounds like you don't think it was important?

 

[Zidane98]

Curious as to the terms they used "Pinged at the same time or 1 second after " Lynn's 4WD went through the CCTV camera" . Sounds like your saying it doesn't matter when Hill's phone pinged? And it also sounds like your saying digital forensics couldn't have aligned pings within meters of each other? Much was made of this evidence but it sounds like you don't think it was important?

IIRC it was only detected in the area was the evidence provided. They wouldn't have checked out 11,other vehicles if they could match the phone ping exactly. One cannot get a location of a device just by its phone signal. You can get an area, that's about it.

 

[Romaine Calm]

Is he mad or bad?

He was a fully functioning member of society, well paid in a well respected position, member of clubs he held in high regard and liked camping and guns.

The job he held is subject to one of the most intense scrutiny of mental stability known. Pilots do not have off days on the job and any concerns would be flagged

Liking shooting is not an indicator of mental illness

We may assume that he was not "mad" in a strict clinical sense, so I'm going to suggest he was "bad", evil perhaps, suffering from a lack of empathy definitely and lacking from a distinct lack of a moral filter. The same could be said of anybody that kills another person

He hasn't divulged the reasons for the deaths, so any attempt to work out the reasons for them is purely conjecture, wishful thinking or people trying to classify him into a box so they can make sense of his actions.

If you read transcripts and.or depositions of murder trials, there is one thing that stands out. The person was faced with a couple of courses of action and they chose to kill. Some of these, with a bit of mental gymnastics provides an reason for, or justification of their actions

We will never know why Hill and Clay died or the reasons he justified to himself his actions.

The Defence will be unlikely to present a psych report for sentencing; he's saying he's innocent so a psych report will not provide any assistance for the Court when sentencing.

In the aftermath pf the sentencing. there will be a lot of conjecture of Lynn's psychopathlogy. I'd say dismiss that, because no Psychologist or Psychologist will dare state clinical opinion and place their reputation to "peer review" without actually interviewing the person.

He's bad and evil

Thank you for the thoughtful assessment, well said.

 

[Underarrest_]

Nowhere near enough by itself had GL of lawyered up and kept quiet. The phone coverage area of the Hotham tower is huge right down Dargo High plains road. A ping from a device could be picked up anywhere in this area. There remained the very real possibility that whoever was in possession of the phone did not pass the Hotham resort cameras (Twins Rd provides this alternative for example). Was a good thing that the coppers got him to admit having RH's phone in his possession.

Apparently Lynn was in contact with a duty solicitor who told him not to comment. The officers told him that him being told what to do by them was like a pilot being told what to do by his crew.
He chose to speak and proved he’s not as smart as he thought.
Everyone knows that police will try and build a rapport with an accused but he went along and told his story.

 

[yodellinhank]

Maybe he didn't hunt deer very often, but he was stalking other prey?

Yeah. He sounded absolutely full of shit.

Another example I felt - he said he stopped to ask directions, then he corrects the copper about specifics and how far away the different camps are from each other. He is the smartest man in the room, after all. Seemed pretty familiar with the place real fast, those directions must have been something special.

 

[Iretired00]

Another example I felt - he said he stopped to ask directions, then he corrects the copper about specifics and how far away the different camps are from each other. He is the smartest man in the room, after all. Seemed pretty familiar with the place real fast, those directions must have been something special.

Yep contradictions a-plenty.Even though he claimed his last visit was 20 years ago,he knew the place pretty damn well.From the turn around at the locked gate,then back to Grant historic area- all at night,then out of there at the crack of dawn.His bs unravelled in the ROI in several places .Yes,not quite the smartest in the room....

 

[GardenGnome]

I'd heard somewhere else that his real police interview went for nine hours. The jury only heard three of it and that's what we've seen.

Yeah it’s been heavily edited

 

[Sir_Loin]

Yeah it’s been heavily edited

Wasn’t it just him saying no comment and lying his arse off for three days?

 

[SJ]

If he had never made any comment and not taken the stand, could the jury have found a unanimous conviction?

 

[Sir_Loin]

If he had never made any comment and not taken the stand, could the jury have found a unanimous conviction?

He didn't know precisely what the police had on him. He assumed they had him on everything apart from the confrontation. He based his story and lies around that premise. He might be the biggest knob going around but he is as cunning as a tip rat. Those sociopathic traits really come through in that ROI.

 

[revo333]

He didn't know precisely what the police had on him. He assumed they had him on everything apart from the confrontation. He based his story and lies around that premise. He might be the biggest knob going around but he is as cunning as a tip rat. Those sociopathic traits really come through in that ROI.

I guess if it's an accident and he doesn't say anything at all then he comes across as more guilty.

 

[GrayRanga]

Yeah it’s been heavily edited

Remember that the Defence were given a complete unedited copy of the ROI.

No way known that the Prosecution edited the ROI in any shape or form, especially if there was a hint that there was information contained in it that may be beneficial to Lynn's defence.

The Jury viewed the full ROI that the Prosecution, the Defence and the Court agreed to in the voire dire and the appeal by the DPP to the CCA

I know that the Police can hold a person for a "reasonable time" to conduct an interview but their not going to interview him for 9 hours each day over 3 days.

Remember the the defence raised the point that the room was too cold, imagine what they would have said if he had been questioned for 9 hours a day without drink, meal and toilet breaks. You'd be looking at 12 hours per day in the interview room which even the most junior Solicitor in Sale would raise an eyebrow at

I'd suggest he was bought into the interview room on the morning after his arrest (after consultation with his Solicitor) and did a 2 or 3 hour session in which the police presented certain evidence to him to which he replied "no comment"

After a couple of hours he would be returned to the cells to "stew" to be bought back a while for further questioning (again no comment) and plonked him in the cells for the night without tv, radio. internet, reading material for the night to "stew" whilst the Police conducted "further enquiries"

Ditto on day two

By day 3 his hubris took over and he presented his carefully(over the days spent in the cells) concocted story was presented which formed his ROI

 

[GardenGnome]

Well…. This is a different thing to do with a trailer https://www.facebook.com/share/r/TrtBwmACEinGVDJX/?mibextid=11tuMg

 

[PJays]

.
Everyone knows that police will try and build a rapport with an accused but he went along and told his story.

Great effort by the coppers who talked with him for several days and eventually managed to obtain so much useful information that was later used to convict him.

Heroes.

 

[Zidane98]

Great effort by the coppers who talked with him for several days and eventually managed to obtain so much useful information that was later used to convict him.

Heroes.

Yes, great work by the detectives. If they couldn't get him to talk before he got someone like Dann down there to represent him there probably would have been next to no hope of GL giving up the location of the remains of RH/CC and thus some closure to the families of what happened to their loved ones.

 

[InagoRaida]

Anyone know time the matter will be heard tomm? Court 3 again i imagine?

 

[Terrafirma]

Well…. This is a different thing to do with a trailer https://www.facebook.com/share/r/TrtBwmACEinGVDJX/?mibextid=11tuMg

I could say 2 things about this incident. Which one do you all relate to more? BTW I know which one is the correct approach but if any of you suffer from impatience you'll know. It seems the small car turning right put everyone in a holding pattern. Could of been a little ol lady unsure of when it was safe to turn etc. The Tradie cracks it and takes the matter into his own hands and goes around her. Little ol lady has no idea of what's going on behind her and starts to turn at the same time. The rest is history. (For the sake of some humor)

 

[Terrafirma]

Yes, great work by the detectives. If they couldn't get him to talk before he got someone like Dann down there to represent him there probably would have been next to no hope of GL giving up the location of the remains of RH/CC and thus some closure to the families of what happened to their loved ones.

Agree 100%. What was left didn't deliver much helpful evidence though did it? Slug and DNA matter found at Bucks Camp not with the remains and by then Lynn had already told Police what he had done with the bodies. Might of ticked off some forensics questions and ID's remains etc and delivered some closure with families. Having to listen to what Lynn did to them probs haunting them for the rest of their lives. Religion didn't come into play here fortunately as some religions treat bodies with specific processes so as to pass them on within that particular religious practice.

 

[Zidane98]

Agree 100%. What was left didn't deliver much helpful evidence though did it? Slug and DNA matter found at Bucks Camp not with the remains and by then Lynn had already told Police what he had done with the bodies. Might of ticked off some forensics questions and ID's remains etc and delivered some closure with families. Having to listen to what Lynn did to them probs haunting them for the rest of their lives. Religion didn't come into play here fortunately as some religions treat bodies with specific processes so as to pass them on within that particular religious practice.

Once they got the story from GL about CC's head being blown off that meant they could go back and search Buck's Camp again for evidence of CC's death. I would hesitate to say without that testimony finding parts of CC's skull would have been difficult as forensics would have had no starting point to extrapolate their search from.

 

[champagnegirl]

Agree 100%. What was left didn't deliver much helpful evidence though did it? Slug and DNA matter found at Bucks Camp not with the remains and by then Lynn had already told Police what he had done with the bodies. Might of ticked off some forensics questions and ID's remains etc and delivered some closure with families. Having to listen to what Lynn did to them probs haunting them for the rest of their lives. Religion didn't come into play here fortunately as some religions treat bodies with specific processes so as to pass them on within that particular religious practice.

Well said. Yes I thought of some of the funeral rituals that involve funeral pyres and fire and that are practised by some religions. And of course, Western societies practice a return to ashes by fire. But with reverence, respect, ceremony and dignity for the deceased. I think when you have the option of choice taken away, it must be emotionally painful to live with the thoughts of how your loved one was treated on their final journey.

 

[Terrafirma]

Once they got the story from GL about CC's head being blown off that meant they could go back and search Buck's Camp again for evidence of CC's death. I would hesitate to say without that testimony finding parts of CC's skull would have been difficult as forensics would have had no starting point to extrapolate their search from.

This is a very good point. Hadn't thought of the impact of knowing the ROI and re-visiting bucks camp vs doing the initial sweep of the area.

 

[Terrafirma]

Well said. Yes I thought of some of the funeral rituals that involve funeral pyres and fire and that are practised by some religions. And of course, Western societies practice a return to ashes by fire. But with reverence, respect, ceremony and dignity for the deceased. I think when you have the option of choice taken away, it must be emotionally painful to live with the thoughts of how your loved one was treated on their final journey.

Well said re having religious choices & practices taken away.

 

[gymjam]

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to where Lynn would have chosen to travel to if the Myrtleford Gate was open?

Myrtleford · Victoria 3737, Australia

Victoria 3737, Australia

www.google.com

What I have noted is that RH's radio friend said he had discussed driving to Dargo the following day (21st) and had asked direction as he had never been there previously. Then media now say that Union Spur Track is 40kms from Dargo.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/U...0811!4d147.1531697!16s/g/11cjgcbcql?entry=ttu

 

[justallyone]

For anyone interested tomorrow:

09:30 AM
S ECR 2023 0017
Court 3, Ground Floor 210 William Street, Melb.
R v. Gregory LYNN
For Mention


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[justallyone]

Anyone know time the matter will be heard tomm? Court 3 again i imagine?

Yes. 9:30am.


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