Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Pamcake1]

I feel as if we're revisiting all the theories recycled and argued about endlessly throughout 165 pages

That's for sure, especially with the blowins coming in late and not bothering to read anything said prior but just want to make a mark.
Until we get through the Commital's evidence there is nothing new that wasnt known 6 months ago.
And even when we get to this time next week we might not know much more, except the evidence the crown is presenting.

 

[Awakening]

I feel as if we're revisiting all the theories recycled and argued about endlessly throughout 165 pages.

 

[Dirh Semaj]

Well he is pleading not guilty, so there goes your theory that it won't be disputed right there. I suggest you read through the thread about what people are / have discussed so far as it might inform you of what peeps in the forum are thinking.

Pleading not guilty can mean he is not disputing he killed them.

 

[Lady O]

You have repeated this now several times in this thread.

Can you please quote a post where anyone is excusing the murders?

People are surmising what his defence may be, and what possibly occurred leading up to the murders. He may claim self defence/accidental - I can't see self defence being given any credence, accidental IF there was an altercation may be a more likely claim by GL.

Again IF there was an altercation, which is impossible to determine without actual evidence one way or another, it can still be a trigger for what happened without justifying any actions by GL after any altercation.

Everyone on this forum is entitled to their own opinion,and many scenarios have been proposed. Just because you don't like them/agree with them doesn't make them wrong, or the posters making them condoning murder.

I don't believe I said that anyone was excusing the murders, but only that they were suggesting it was the action of Hill and/or Clay that led to an altercation that cause Lynn to murder them.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. My understanding of this forum is that posters are not permitted to blame the victims.

Here is a selection (paraphrased by me without identifying individuals) over this thread, suggesting that Hill and Clay contributed to their own demise:

All people have said is H was known to be a bit cantankerous and confrontational.

H ignored L’s request to put the drone down and so H shot the drone which infuriated H and so L killed them both.

L tried to confiscate the drone and H came at him with a tent pole or something.

H was flying the drone over L’s campsite and when told to take it away, H tells him to mind his own business. H wouldn’t back down, L lost his temper and went down to the campsite and shot them both.

H was disrespectful for flying the drone over L’s campsite. Pilots hate drone so L went crazy and murdered them.

H camped too close to L and made a lot of noise which cause the confrontation.

H came at him in a fight over the drone and L could say he killed him in self-defence. C went crazy at attacked him and he killed her too.

H and L had a confrontation over the drone, H was shot and then C went for the gun.

C tried to break up a fight between H & L over the drone and got punched in the head which killed her and so he had to kill H also.

L was chatting to C & H and when he found they were having an affair, L lost it and killed them both.

All these suggestions would most likely be very distressing to the families of the victims.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I don't believe I said that anyone was excusing the murders, but only that they were suggesting it was the action of Hill and/or Clay that led to an altercation that cause Lynn to murder them.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. My understanding of this forum is that posters are not permitted to blame the victims.

Here is a selection (paraphrased by me without identifying individuals) over this thread, suggesting that Hill and Clay contributed to their own demise:

All people have said is H was known to be a bit cantankerous and confrontational.

H ignored L’s request to put the drone down and so H shot the drone which infuriated H and so L killed them both.

L tried to confiscate the drone and H came at him with a tent pole or something.

H was flying the drone over L’s campsite and when told to take it away, H tells him to mind his own business. H wouldn’t back down, L lost his temper and went down to the campsite and shot them both.

H was disrespectful for flying the drone over L’s campsite. Pilots hate drone so L went crazy and murdered them.

H camped too close to L and made a lot of noise which cause the confrontation.

H came at him in a fight over the drone and L could say he killed him in self-defence. C went crazy at attacked him and he killed her too.

H and L had a confrontation over the drone, H was shot and then C went for the gun.

C tried to break up a fight between H & L over the drone and got punched in the head which killed her and so he had to kill H also.

L was chatting to C & H and when he found they were having an affair, L lost it and killed them both.

All these suggestions would most likely be very distressing to the families of the victims.

Where would you rank suggesting Lynn being a serial killer in terms being distressing for his family when he hasn’t been charged let alone convicted on any other murder charge?

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

I feel as if we're revisiting all the theories recycled and argued about endlessly throughout 165 pages.

Yep this tent has been driven through before

 

[Lady O]

Where would you rank suggesting Lynn being a serial killer in terms being distressing for his family when he hasn’t been charged let alone convicted on any other murder charge?

I'd rank it behind having a family member murdered, dismembered and burned and then it being suggested that he/she provoked the murderer into committing the crime.

 

[Kurve]

I don't believe I said that anyone was excusing the murders, but only that they were suggesting it was the action of Hill and/or Clay that led to an altercation that cause Lynn to murder them.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. My understanding of this forum is that posters are not permitted to blame the victims.

Speculating on what may have led to their encounter and some kind of confrontation isn't victim blaming. It's been given further importance given we now know Lynn pleads not guilty and following from the Magistrates remarks that he has some idea of what the defence will be.

You're suggesting there is no defence yet here we are with Lynn trying one on.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I'd rank it behind having a family member murdered, dismembered and burned and then it being suggested that he/she provoked the murderer into committing the crime.

But you’ve suggested alternative theories to this. I’m just trying to work out why you’re so triggered about theories being offered when you do it yourself.

 

[Lady O]

But you’ve suggested alternative theories to this. I’m just trying to work out why you’re so triggered about theories being offered when you do it yourself.

Just offering an alternative to those who have the theory that H or H & C had behaved in such a way that provided a reason for their murders. Feeling that the weight of probability was that they were killed in their tent and as such, they most likely did not DO anything to provoke him, that is, no argument.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Just offering an alternative to those who have the theory that H or H & C had behaved in such a way that provided a reason for their murders. Feeling that the weight of probability was that they were killed in their tent and as such, they most likely did not DO anything to provoke him, that is, no argument.

Then you have nothing to complain about

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Just offering an alternative to those who have the theory that H or H & C had behaved in such a way that provided a reason for their murders. Feeling that the weight of probability was that they were killed in their tent and as such, they most likely did not DO anything to provoke him, that is, no argument.

He resented their presence, that seems certain. Whether it was the drone, talking loudly, using the radio, playing music, lighting a bbq, or just being in the vicinity, or something else, we are yet to find out.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

GL is a very intelligent person, who had a lot of time to consider the hypothetical scenarios. He is trained to deal with hypothetical scenarios, being a commercial airline pilot. Captain, no less!

He had time to work out a good story...and he knew that.

I personally don't believe it will be disputed that he killed CC and RH... and then disposed of their bodies.

Are we saying he's intelligent because he's an airline pilot? Or is there more to it than that? I know a surprising number of pilots, but only one of them I'd suggest is particularly intelligent. The others aren't idiots (well, one maybe haha), but not crazy smart either. And from the stories they tell, there are some complete morons you're putting your life in the hands of every time you step on a plane!

 

[Dirh Semaj]

Are we saying he's intelligent because he's an airline pilot? Or is there more to it than that? I know a surprising number of pilots, but only one of them I'd suggest is particularly intelligent. The others aren't idiots (well, one maybe haha), but not crazy smart either. And from the stories they tell, there are some complete morons you're putting your life in the hands of every time you step on a plane!

Haha, i guess being intelligent and moronic aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Awakening]

I don't believe I said that anyone was excusing the murders, but only that they were suggesting it was the action of Hill and/or Clay that led to an altercation that cause Lynn to murder them.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. My understanding of this forum is that posters are not permitted to blame the victims.

Here is a selection (paraphrased by me without identifying individuals) over this thread, suggesting that Hill and Clay contributed to their own demise:

All people have said is H was known to be a bit cantankerous and confrontational.

H ignored L’s request to put the drone down and so H shot the drone which infuriated H and so L killed them both.

L tried to confiscate the drone and H came at him with a tent pole or something.

H was flying the drone over L’s campsite and when told to take it away, H tells him to mind his own business. H wouldn’t back down, L lost his temper and went down to the campsite and shot them both.

H was disrespectful for flying the drone over L’s campsite. Pilots hate drone so L went crazy and murdered them.

H camped too close to L and made a lot of noise which cause the confrontation.

H came at him in a fight over the drone and L could say he killed him in self-defence. C went crazy at attacked him and he killed her too.

H and L had a confrontation over the drone, H was shot and then C went for the gun.

C tried to break up a fight between H & L over the drone and got punched in the head which killed her and so he had to kill H also.

L was chatting to C & H and when he found they were having an affair, L lost it and killed them both.

All these suggestions would most likely be very distressing to the families of the victims.

I think you are thinking of another forum. It’s a bit looser here.

 

[MiguelM]

He resented their presence, that seems certain. Whether it was the drone, talking loudly, using the radio, playing music, lighting a bbq, or just being in the vicinity, or something else, we are yet to find out.

I recall early in the piece there was a some worker close by who heard the drone towards the evening. It is one thing that has never been found so maybe key. Would be impossible to find if GL had buried it somewhere in the area.

 

[Kurve]

 

[MiguelM]

Going to be fascinating.

All us internet detective's are waiting!

 

[Zidane98]

Anyone attending today?

 

[Zidane98]

Also, how the hell is the ballistic expert not available this week despite the committal hearing being set since August? Unless he is unable to attend for health reasons I do not possibly see how he can be unavailable to testify.

 

[Zidane98]

I thought the court notes said only 4 witnesses. Obviously Greg Lynn will give his account.

 

[Pamcake1]

Court hearing to reveal what police allege happened to missing Victorian campers

After almost three years, the family and friends of Carol Clay and Russell Hill will this week learn what police allege happened to their loved ones.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Terrafirma]

I thought the court notes said only 4 witnesses. Obviously Greg Lynn will give his account.

11 witnesses , the more the better I would have thought for the truth to come out? Cassie Zervos is the one to follow on twitter she has followed the case since day 1 as a crime reporter. So a 5 day hearing. We may have to wait until day 5 before we know the full extent of what has been alleged.?

 

[Zidane98]

11 witnesses , the more the better I would have thought for the truth to come out? Cassie Zervos is the one to follow on twitter she has followed the case since day 1 as a crime reporter. So a 5 day hearing. We may have to wait until day 5 before we know the full extent of what has been alleged.?

Ballsitics guy isn't available this week (not sure how he isn't consider he would received a subpoena to appear). So we won't get the full picture until next week.


My expectation is the police lay out their general theory on what happened today. GL's representation also to submit their version of events.

 

[Terrafirma]

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Ballsitics guy isn't available this week (not sure how he isn't consider he would received a subpoena to appear). So we won't get the full picture until next week.


My expectation is the police lay out their general theory on what happened today. GL's representation also to submit their version of events.

Yeah that makes sense hopefully we at least get the general theory of what happened. So many questions to answer that we have all theorised for a long time.