Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Zidane98]

That sweaty photo of GL used in reporting says it all - ie ‘would you trust to be alone with this bloke for 5 mins?’ might be something that runs thru some people’s heads, rightly or wrongly, but we’re wired to pick up nuance and NQR for a reason.

This is a good point. Would be a different story if a photo of him in full Jetstar captain's uniform was used.

 

[Paul Kersey]

At the start of the interview when the coppers gave him the option of remaining silent what was his demeanor like? Was he immediately cooperative or did the interviewers have to coax info out of him?

He was not difficult at all. No resistance and straight to telling his version of events. I heard circa 45 min and the police were just letting him speak.

 

[Lady O]

Considering how much buzzing drones annoy GL his hobby of bee keeping is rather surprising.

Well, maybe the drone business is another lie?

 

[Run n Spread]

Yeah, fair call.

You really need to pay attention to the Judge to help IMO.

Depends on the makeup of the juriors too and who is elected foreman. Strong personality types can take over. Every jury I have been on there has been an initial round the room "vote" at the first discussion.

One I was on I was the second last vote and was opposite to the preceeding 10. The foreman voted the same as me. In the end the other 10 changed their vote when we explained.

In the end the basis of a Jury is a cross section of opinions, backgrounds to achieve a fair result, though defence are good at picking professions etc. to avoid bias.

What were the cases?
What were your verdicts?
On what you mentioned did the 10 change from guilty to not or not to guilty?

 

[Zidane98]

He was not difficult at all. No resistance and straight to telling his version of events. I heard circa 45 min and the police were just letting him speak.

I find it surprising he didn't at least wait for a lawyer.

 

[Terrafirma]

Maybe the phone was in RH's pocket. GL threw him in the trailer in a hurry to get the hell out of dodge ASAP. Somewhere on the trip up to Grants HA it fell out of RH's pocket and it remained in the trailer.

He didn't notice it when he pulled out RH/CC from the trailer.


I really can't imagine a scenario where GL makes a conscious decision to take RH's phone with him while switched on inside the car. He surely would be aware that could link him to the disappearance.

That's a really good point. Unless he suspected Hill had photos of the campsite area or other pics which would incriminate Lynn. Why would he take Hill's phone and leave it pinging. I still think as he threw it away and it wasn't with the body he had it separately and made a conscious decision to do so and this cost him not withstanding his vehicle type, age and color was witnessed in the area by the campers who also had an interaction with him. It's plausible to believe he would have been tracked down even without the Camera snaps IMO.

 

[jason_recliner]

This is a good point. Would be a different story if a photo of him in full Jetstar captain's uniform was used.

Also why they didn't use the Flight Centre Captain in any re-enactments.

 

[Zidane98]

That's a really good point. Unless he suspected Hill had photos of the campsite area or other pics which would incriminate Lynn. Why would he take Hill's phone and leave it pinging. I still think as he threw it away and it wasn't with the body he had it separately and made a conscious decision to do so and this cost him not withstanding his vehicle type, age and color was witnessed in the area by the campers who also had an interaction with him. It's plausible to believe he would have been tracked down even without the Camera snaps IMO.

I don't believe he consciously decided to take RH's phone switched on with him. If he knowingly took it GL would definitely turn it off or at least put it in flight mode. Being a pilot he would have been well aware of the implications in having RH's phone linked to his vehicle.

I don't see how he ever would have been caught without the phone ping / Hotham photo.

There would be nothing linking him to RH/CC. A few witnesses of a bloke 4wding in the area without a numberplate leads mostly nowhere.

 

[Paul Kersey]

He said Hill told him he had footage of him shooting close to/across camp and was going to the police. He shrugged that off as he said that didn't happen. Not that we can test that as a few days later he decided to burn the drone. TBH it wouldn't shock me if the drone had zero footage of him. He said he noticed it above him when walking back to camp from a deer stalk.

 

[Zidane98]

Interesting. Shooting across camp. I don't see that as likely but also don't see why RH would bs about that. Maybe RH heard the shots and thought GL was closer to camp than he actually was. Sends up the drone to investigate, sees GL returning and it all kicks off from there.

 

[Zidane98]

GL volunteering that RH threatened him with police action doesn't exactly help his cause either.

 

[Terrafirma]

Just as a point of interest, the prosecution would have already presented all of their evidence to the defence. The court system in Australia operates as an 'open hand' system, where all of the physical evidence is on the table for both sides (and often there is a summary of what evidence witnesses will give too, however this doesnt always go to plan because, well, people are people ).

This means there isnt any physical evidence that the prosecution can withhold for the purpose of catching out the defence during the trial.

This certainly is in Lynn's favor. All he has to do is come up with a plausible story that fits with the evidence. How handy.

P.S. A lot of people saying how unlucky he was getting caught with reference to the Hotham Cameras. But witnesses saw him and interacted with him and his vehicle on the day of the alleged murders at the campsite. I believe Police could have still eventually tracked him down via a blue patrol with those distinct features? His vehicle and phone data etc. Would have been a lot harder and maybe they wouldn't have IMO.

 

[Zidane98]

Id like to know where the last ping was from RH's phone.

 

[Terrafirma]

Interesting. Shooting across camp. I don't see that as likely but also don't see why RH would bs about that. Maybe RH heard the shots and thought GL was closer to camp than he actually was. Sends up the drone to investigate, sees GL returning and it all kicks off from there.

What do you mean by RH bullshitting? Don't you mean Lynn..?

 

[Angry_Crow]

Sat in for a bit. Pretty heavy day material wise and the gallery is full. Started playing the police interview - 4 hours in total with circa 1.5hr expected to be broadcast today. Very well spoken and calm for most of it. Probably been said before but if one was to believe his series of events (I do not at all) then he is the unluckiest man in Australia with the circumstances which lead him to be in the position he is in.

Im not certain the interview was played from the beginning. It was November 24. (Timestamp) (Arrested November 22?) Wasn’t there a long period of GL not talking and asking for a lawyer? According to events in precommital.

 

[Zidane98]

What do you mean by RH bullshitting? Don't you mean Lynn..?

GL's claimed RH approached him and said he accused him of "shooting close or across camp". I don't see RH bullshitting about that but also don't see it likely that GL was idoing that either.


My theory is RH hears GL hunting deer, thinks that sounds too close to comfort but in reality is a reasonable distance from camp. Remember, he always makes a point of telling hunters about the death of his nephew. So he decides to send up his drone to investigate. By this time GL is returning to camp, RH sees him on the drone and when he gets back to camp he confronts GL saying you're shooting across camp etc etc, i've got you on video, i'm going to the cops.

 

[Zidane98]

Im not certain the interview was played from the beginning. It was November 24. (Timestamp) (Arrested November 22?) Wasn’t there a long period of GL not talking and asking for a lawyer? According to events in precommital.

I'm sure I read they let him rest for the night gave him food etc so they couldn't be accused of mistreating him by his representation. Seems as if he didn't request a lawyer for the interview.

 

[Terrafirma]

I don't believe he consciously decided to take RH's phone switched on with him. If he knowingly took it GL would definitely turn it off or at least put it in flight mode. Being a pilot he would have been well aware of the implications in having RH's phone linked to his vehicle.

I don't see how he ever would have been caught without the phone ping / Hotham photo.

There would be nothing linking him to RH/CC. A few witnesses of a bloke 4wding in the area without a numberplate leads mostly nowhere.

It's not an area where hundreds of campers pass through on any given weekend that time of year so a sighting of every vehicle in the area at the time of the killings surely would be investigated. The witnesses spoke to him so they have a visual etc.

 

[Zidane98]

It's not an area where hundreds of campers pass through on any given weekend that time of year so a sighting of every vehicle in the area at the time of the killings surely would be investigated. The witnesses spoke to him so they have a visual etc.

They did. But none of it really links GL to RH/CC.

 

[Terrafirma]

GL's claimed RH approached him and said he accused him of "shooting close or across camp". I don't see RH bullshitting about that but also don't see it likely that GL was idoing that either.


My theory is RH hears GL hunting deer, thinks that sounds too close to comfort but in reality is a reasonable distance from camp. Remember, he always makes a point of telling hunters about the death of his nephew. So he decides to send up his drone to investigate. By this time GL is returning to camp, RH sees him on the drone and when he gets back to camp he confronts GL saying you're shooting across camp etc etc, i've got you on video, i'm going to the cops.

Now I know what you are referring to I see your point. So your saying Hill claimed Lynn was shooting cross camp or too close. I doubt cross camp for many reasons. Close camp possible. IMO No point taking any of Lynn's claims about what happened as gospel. Everything he says is just there to make a plausible self defense claim. Could still be Lynn simply had the shits with the drone and he it starts over that. Remember Lynn isn't going to say the drone gave me the shits so I told him to put it away or I'll shoot it down etc because that is trivial compared to a deer hunting altercation. We are giving Lynn plausibility simply because of a deer hunting accident. Lynn or his lawyer would have researched Hill long before the trial and known this IMO. How handy suddenly Lynn is believable because Hill hates deer hunters because of an accident that happened. You are all forgetting Lynn's team already new this IMO. Dermott charges hundreds of thousands because that's what he does.

 

[independant witness]

Sat in for a bit. Pretty heavy day material wise and the gallery is full. Started playing the police interview - 4 hours in total with circa 1.5hr expected to be broadcast today. Very well spoken and calm for most of it. Probably been said before but if one was to believe his series of events (I do not at all) then he is the unluckiest man in Australia with the circumstances which lead him to be in the position he is in.

New here, but have been following. Having also watched the ROI with G.L., I totally agree with your summation.G.L.'s demeanor very much in control of the narrative. He was, as you said, well spoken, calm and oddly believable. It makes you wonder if he would have gotten away with it, had he gone straight to police with his story. Interestingly, he also sounds almost feasible in his reasons for not reporting the deaths of Hill & Clay.Amazing that he is able to make any sort of case that could possibly explain the deaths of 2 fellow campers, but there you have it!

 

[Zidane98]

Now I know what you are referring to I see your point. So your saying Hill claimed Lynn was shooting cross camp or too close. I doubt cross camp for many reasons. Close camp possible. IMO No point taking any of Lynn's claims about what happened as gospel. Everything he says is just there to make a plausible self defense claim. Could still be Lynn simply had the shits with the drone and he it starts over that. Remember Lynn isn't going to say the drone gave me the shits so I told him to put it away or I'll shoot it down etc because that is trivial compared to a deer hunting altercation. We are giving Lynn plausibility simply because of a deer hunting accident. Lynn or his lawyer would have researched Hill long before the trial and known this IMO. How handy suddenly Lynn is believable because Hill hates deer hunters because of an accident that happened. You are all forgetting Lynn's team already new this IMO. Dermott charges hundreds of thousands because that's what he does.

Did GL say about the deer hunting death stuff in the interview on Nov 24 2021? He must have gotten that from a convo with RH.

Like another poster said nobody in the media had made the link until it was entered into evidence.

 

[Terrafirma]

They did. But none of it really links GL to RH/CC.

They did and true. But it gives them a person to investigate to see if anything else could link him to the killings. For example they find a slug and cross reference it to one if his guns. Put your Detective's hat on.

 

[Terrafirma]

Did GL say about the deer hunting death stuff in the interview on Nov 24 2021? He must have gotten that from a convo with RH.

Like another poster said nobody in the media had made the link until it was entered into evidence.

Nobody from the media would know but Dermott would after researching Hill. Dermott painted a picture of Hill as being an angry old man on depression pills struggling to deal with retirement having an affair etc etc the list goes on

 

[Terrafirma]

New here, but have been following. Having also watched the ROI with G.L., I totally agree with your summation.G.L.'s demeanor very much in control of the narrative. He was, as you said, well spoken, calm and oddly believable. It makes you wonder if he would have gotten away with it, had he gone straight to police with his story. Interestingly, he also sounds almost feasible in his reasons for not reporting the deaths of Hill & Clay.Amazing that he is able to make any sort of case that could possibly explain the deaths of 2 fellow campers, but there you have it!

Is there a link to listen/watch to the interview? Or you were sitting in.?