Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Today will be interesting. Wouldn't think they could hold him much longer than today without an arrest or solid info.

Maybe waiting for forensics on the car.

what about the trailer??? No mention of it so far.

 

[MiguelM]

what about the trailer??? No mention of it so far.

Yeah, maybe he dismantled/disposed of it.

 

[ptrg]

If they have evidence of him owning the trailer, and he refuses to say where it is, that's pretty incriminating (not meaning guilt, but only furthers suspicion)

 

[Anja_Nees]

what about the trailer??? No mention of it so far.

There were articles yesterday which said they’d not yet located it.

If he had any sense he would have poured cleaning material all over the thing and ditched it somewhere it will never be found.

Based on previous conduct though he has probably just changed the tyres and left it at his mate’s place.

 

[footscray1973]

It's all very incongruous on the surface still, isn't it?

Family guy with a well-paid position, seemingly well-regarded by neighbours and colleagues. Putting aside his first wife, as there is no specific detail to implicate him in her death at this stage, his outdoors activities seem to be largely run of the mill, apart from whatever happened in Wonnangatta one night last March.

I know this doesn't guarantee he's not a killer, but will be fascinating to hear what the actual circumstances are whenever they finally come out.

 

[footscray1973]

There were articles yesterday which said they’d not yet located it.

If he had any sense he would have poured cleaning material all over the thing and ditched it somewhere it will never be found.

Based on previous conduct though he has probably just changed the tyres and left it at his mate’s place.

Assuming the cops have been onto him for some time, I wonder what the timelines are between him disposing of it (if he has, or as you say, maybe he's been careless there as well) and cops taking an active interest in his life and movements. Maybe they know where it is, or possibly even already have it - unlikely, but there's a lot of twists coming out in this case just since his arrest 60-odd hours ago.

 

[BomberManU]

Trailer was sold last year, apparently. Police are looking for anyone who may have bought one during a certain time period - March to July.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Assuming the cops have been onto him for some time, I wonder what the timelines are between him disposing of it (if he has, or as you say, maybe he's been careless there as well) and cops taking an active interest in his life and movements. Maybe they know where it is, or possibly even already have it - unlikely, but there's a lot of twists coming out in this case just since his arrest 60-odd hours ago.

You’d have to think if it was used to move the bodies then he would have cleaned it and disposed of it as quickly as possible (probably before he was a suspect).

Then again, he might have panicked and done it after he realised he was under the microscope (if he knew).

 

[Anja_Nees]

Trailer was sold last year, apparently. Police are looking for anyone who may have bought one during a certain time period.

He sold it? FFS. Very likely to turn up then.

 

[footscray1973]

He sold it? FFS. Very likely to turn up then.

For someone who needs a fair degree of smarts to work in his profession, he's displayed none of those smarts in dealing with the Patrol and trailer. Admittedly destroying the tent and all the contents and other camping items may have delayed investigators, but selling the trailer and respraying the Patrol?

I'm not planning any murders, and I'm not in the mindset of an (alleged) perp, but in hindsight he'd have possibly been better off admitting he was in the area, didn't see or hear anything, and hidden in plain sight. Of course, I realise that's probably not realistic, unless one is in a Christie who-dunnit or Hollywood movie!

 

[BomberManU]

For someone who needs a fair degree of smarts to work in his profession, he's displayed none of those smarts in dealing with the Patrol and trailer. Admittedly destroying the tent and all the contents and other camping items may have delayed investigators, but selling the trailer and respraying the Patrol?

I'm not planning any murders, and I'm not in the mindset of an (alleged) perp, but in hindsight he'd have possibly been better off admitting he was in the area, didn't see or hear anything, and hidden in plain sight. Of course, I realise that's probably not realistic, unless one is in a Christie who-dunnit or Hollywood movie!

That is what he did though, isn't it? Was questioned last year, said he was in area but didn't see anything. Maybe after that, he was comfortable with selling trailer etc??

 

[Anja_Nees]

For someone who needs a fair degree of smarts to work in his profession, he's displayed none of those smarts in dealing with the Patrol and trailer. Admittedly destroying the tent and all the contents and other camping items may have delayed investigators, but selling the trailer and respraying the Patrol?

I'm not planning any murders, and I'm not in the mindset of an (alleged) perp, but in hindsight he'd have possibly been better off admitting he was in the area, didn't see or hear anything, and hidden in plain sight. Of course, I realise that's probably not realistic, unless one is in a Christie who-dunnit or Hollywood movie!

I bet you he sold it on FB marketplace or Gumtree.

 

[footscray1973]

That is what he did though, isn't it? Was questioned last year, said he was in area but didn't see anything. Maybe after that, he was comfortable with selling trailer etc??

Yeah good point! I forgot that bit!

 

[footscray1973]

I bet you he sold it on FB marketplace or Gumtree.

"Ideal for transporting stuff in and out of the high country, but can be awkward trying to turn around on narrow tracks when confronted with closed gates at night. Dark colour works well aesthetically with white, dark blue or beige towing vehicle."

 

[Aussie Assault]

For someone who needs a fair degree of smarts to work in his profession, he's displayed none of those smarts in dealing with the Patrol and trailer. Admittedly destroying the tent and all the contents and other camping items may have delayed investigators, but selling the trailer and respraying the Patrol?

I'm not planning any murders, and I'm not in the mindset of an (alleged) perp, but in hindsight he'd have possibly been better off admitting he was in the area, didn't see or hear anything, and hidden in plain sight. Of course, I realise that's probably not realistic, unless one is in a Christie who-dunnit or Hollywood movie!

Yeah all of this is in hindsight with time for us to analyse his decision making has him looking like a fool. The reality is someone without a life of crime suddenly becoming a killer, likely by accident at first (IMO), would any of us know how we'd all react? It's easy to say we'd do this or that differently to how he's gone about it, but his life has completely flipped on it's head one night without the know-how to cover up a situation he'd likely never ever imagined being in. To add to that, while these decisions look dumb and we all say he should have done this or that, he's evaded police and prison for a lot longer than most do in a random murder investigation.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Given Shane Patton's comments in the lead article on The Age website I'd say the police know they have their man.

 

[footscray1973]

Yeah all of this is in hindsight with time for us to analyse his decision making has him looking like a fool. The reality is someone without a life of crime suddenly becoming a killer, likely by accident at first (IMO), would any of us know how we'd all react? It's easy to say we'd do this or that differently to how he's gone about it, but his life has completely flipped on it's head one night without the know-how to cover up a situation he'd likely never ever imagined being in. To add to that, while these decisions look dumb and we all say he should have done this or that, he's evaded police and prison for a lot longer than most do in a random murder investigation.

That was sort of my point, and why I also referenced "hindsight" in my post. Agree I'd have no idea how I would react in his (alleged) shoes. Lots of variables to consider too - does someone react differently if circumstances were an accident that escalated vs a deliberate violent action in a confrontation? As you say he's evaded police for some time, but is that because police have had him under surveillance and deliberately let him go about his life to flush out more evidence, or has he become emboldened to re-paint the vehicle and sell the trailer because he thought he'd gotten away with whatever happened, or both? I know I'm contributing to ongoing speculation as are others on here, would be good to see charges eventuate and some facts emerge.

 

[footscray1973]

"Ideal for transporting stuff in and out of the high country, but can be awkward trying to turn around on narrow tracks when confronted with closed gates at night. Dark colour works well aesthetically with white, dark blue or beige towing vehicle."

Hate quoting myself, especially to correct my own errors (!), but Age article quoting Shane Patton indicates trailer is/was silver. I was going off the photo police released two weeks ago assuming it was a darker colour. So my aesthetics comment obviously only works if a silver trailer is matched with a white or dark blue vehicle - maybe that's why he sold it, silver and beige clash?! Or begs the question as to why he didn't spray the trailer beige as well?!

Seriously though, if someone else has been using that trailer, hopefully there is some forensic evidence still identifiable if that is what police are after.

Edit: and sorry for the flood of posts, I'll stop now, just fascinated by the case.

 

[MiguelM]

TBH with hindsight you would buy a big ass angle grinder (on Gumtree for cash of course) and dump it in the free recycle metal bins that are everywhere.

 

[MiguelM]

Hate quoting myself, especially to correct my own errors (!), but Age article quoting Shane Patton indicates trailer is/was silver. I was going off the photo police released two weeks ago assuming it was a darker colour. So my aesthetics comment obviously only works if a silver trailer is matched with a white or dark blue vehicle - maybe that's why he sold it, silver and beige clash?! Or begs the question as to why he didn't spray the trailer beige as well?!

Seriously though, if someone else has been using that trailer, hopefully there is some forensic evidence still identifiable if that is what police are after.

Edit: and sorry for the flood of posts, I'll stop now, just fascinated by the case.

Keep posting, we are all fascinated by the case!

 

[Anja_Nees]

Yeah all of this is in hindsight with time for us to analyse his decision making has him looking like a fool. The reality is someone without a life of crime suddenly becoming a killer, likely by accident at first (IMO), would any of us know how we'd all react? It's easy to say we'd do this or that differently to how he's gone about it, but his life has completely flipped on it's head one night without the know-how to cover up a situation he'd likely never ever imagined being in. To add to that, while these decisions look dumb and we all say he should have done this or that, he's evaded police and prison for a lot longer than most do in a random murder investigation.

Yeah some of it is almost funny, but people do bizarre things under pressure. Reminds me of people trying to cover their tracks when they did something dumb at school. They always made it worse.

If he were a cold, hardened killer he might, for example, have just buried the bodies in some obscure close enough spot and moved camp nearby for a few days, then disposed of the trailer when back in Melbourne and bought a new one for cash.

Instead he drove far enough (probably with the bodies) that he got spotted on CCTV at a weird hour then sold the trailer months later and painted his car, which makes no sense and draws suspicion.

God knows what else he’s done.

 

[Zidane98]

For someone who needs a fair degree of smarts to work in his profession, he's displayed none of those smarts in dealing with the Patrol and trailer. Admittedly destroying the tent and all the contents and other camping items may have delayed investigators, but selling the trailer and respraying the Patrol?

I'm not planning any murders, and I'm not in the mindset of an (alleged) perp, but in hindsight he'd have possibly been better off admitting he was in the area, didn't see or hear anything, and hidden in plain sight. Of course, I realise that's probably not realistic, unless one is in a Christie who-dunnit or Hollywood movie!

I watched an interview with a neighbor who said that the vehicle looked like it had been in need of a respray for awhile with faded point before he actually did respray it.


My 2 cents is the respray is a red herring. Especially as the original color of the vehicle was white which would be the logical color for a respray if stealth was your intention.

 

[Zidane98]

I assume today Lynn will be saying either charge me or let me go. Will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[tandino]

Given this guy's general approach, the trailer is probably parked up in front of the Myer Christmas windows.

 

[FrankGrimes]

what about the trailer??? No mention of it so far.

Police said today they believe it may have been sold, he said between March and July