Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Zidane98]

Is the first area the Police searched close to where they found the bodies?

Nowhere near. 1 hour 40 min drive away. They searched in the valley exhaustively. And up near Mt Hotham after shovel discovery (which was unrelated). The alleged perpetrator likely assumed (correctly) that any searches for the victims would be focused on the areas they were last known to be which was the 'Gatta valley.

 

[craigos]

Nowhere near. 1 hour 40 min drive away. They searched in the valley exhaustively. And up near Mt Hotham after shovel discovery (which was unrelated). The alleged perpetrator likely assumed (correctly) that any searches for the victims would be focused on the areas they were last known to be which was the 'Gatta valley.

I wonder if he only recently told them of the exact location of the bodies then. Or whether they had several sites where they had data of him spending time "standing still" and were working through them.

 

[Zidane98]

I wonder if he only recently told them of the exact location of the bodies then. Or whether they had several sites where they had data of him spending time "standing still" and were working through them.

You would have to assume with such specific information on the burial site that he had most likely given it up after questioning post arrest. If they had data on him previously they wouldn't have bothered with the many Wonnangatta valley searches.

 

[Sir_Loin]

But if they'd been crushed by the car while in their sleeping bags, it would make sense (to the killer if he wanted to remove the bodies) to take what he found, which was them in the bags. Couldn't leave the bags there - getting RH & CC out of them would have been horrendous. Would imagine blood and collateral damage in the tent was the reason for burning it.

I can see it as a possibility I’m just not gelling with the idea that he ran them over. Not saying it’s not possible just think it’s not what happened here.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I’m not sure if anyone else has been doing this but google earth in 3D to look at the high country locations is sensational

 

[Zidane98]

Like many occupations though. I met one international pilot socially who came across (a tad) arrogant, but I don't think he even realised he's doing it. Another one I met years ago was one of the nicest blokes you'd meet, downplayed his job as "oh, I do a bit of flying here and there", courteous in general conversation, and reportedly a favourite of air crew and cabin staff to fly with. Doesn't pay to be arrogant to anyone, always p1sses me off dealing with anyone like that, in any walk of life. (Sorry, off-tangent ramble!)

I've known 2 pilots in my life, both are good blokes. As you say just like any profession some will be arrogant, some will be dickheads and some will be both or neither. And just like everyone else they can also in very rare occasions be guilty of horrendous crimes.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

But Dogs, have you considered the arguments against that scenario? Evidence points to them not having retired for the night, so why would they be in their sleeping bags? I concede he may have driven over the tent (in fading daylight), and they may have been in there getting changed or whatever, but I still can't see how they would be in their sleeping bags if they hadn't turned in for the night.

What is the evidence that they hadn't turned in? Just interested in the timing. I don't think we know enough about the whole scenario just yet. I'm imagining an event that happened quickly, maybe spontaneously, possibly some time after whatever started it all, and that required speedy removal, covering of tracks and departure. Captured on CCTV around midnight, so whatever happened it was between 6.30 and midnight. Working backwards, it could have happened between 9 and 10, then hurriedly cleaned up and sped off.

 

[Kurve]

They wouldn't have known about the hema maps device. That would have been one of the first things they recovered post arrest.

There might be a few devices they found for tech to forensically examine and try to access anything that was deleted, so the timing from arrest to locating the information could fit.

 

[Zidane98]

I’m not sure if anyone else has been doing this but google earth in 3D to look at the high country locations is sensational

Yeah, I did that with retracing the return journey from the Gatta to Grant HA which alleged perp must have undertaken in complete darkness. Looks a challenging drive even in daylight. Guess he felt he had no choice but to do it in his pursuit of freedom.

 

[Zidane98]

What is the evidence that they hadn't turned in? Just interested in the timing. I don't think we know enough about the whole scenario just yet. I'm imagining an event that happened quickly, maybe spontaneously, possibly some time after whatever started it all, and that required speedy removal, covering of tracks and departure. Captured on CCTV around midnight, so whatever happened it was between 6.30 and midnight. Working backwards, it could have happened between 9 and 10, then hurriedly cleaned up and sped off.

So he disposed of the bodies in Grant HA. WV to Grant HA return journey is approx 3 and a half hours. Allow 30 minutes for a quick digging and burial off the side of the track making it a 4 hour return trip. Remember he was witnessed trying to flee via locked gate around midnight. Then imaged on camera shortly after sunrise at Mt Hotham - the journey from gate to Hotham is approx 4.5-5 hours.

They must have been dead before 7.30pm for all this to happen in one night.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

One of the issues I have with the running over the tent theory aside from avoiding hitting the car or tree which I've previously mentioned is that when you look at the burnt out pictures of the tent, none of the structure poles etc appear to be bent or damaged in a way that would suggest some type of major impact. Though that said, I don't know what a run over tent should look like.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Yeah, I did that with retracing the return journey from the Gatta to Grant HA which alleged perp must have undertaken in complete darkness. Looks a challenging drive even in daylight. Guess he felt he had no choice but to do it in his pursuit of freedom.

Agree. Massive risk but also very revealing in terms of his state of mind. Consciousness of guilt to go to those lengths.

 

[outspace]

What is the evidence that they hadn't turned in? Just interested in the timing. I don't think we know enough about the whole scenario just yet. I'm imagining an event that happened quickly, maybe spontaneously, possibly some time after whatever started it all, and that required speedy removal, covering of tracks and departure. Captured on CCTV around midnight, so whatever happened it was between 6.30 and midnight. Working backwards, it could have happened between 9 and 10, then hurriedly cleaned up and sped off.

Wheres his boots ? This is my sticking point. Or was it dooners for example...

Put them in bags for moving would be the smart move, contains elements, person(s) dosent have to see them, if stopped/passing chances it looks like meat sack and yes i am over thinking it.

I have seen winches attached to offroaders so there is always that regarding moving them, as barbaric as it sounds, winches are not out of place.

 

[outspace]

One of the issues I have with the running over the tent theory aside from avoiding hitting the car or tree which I've previously mentioned is that when you look at the burnt out pictures of the tent, none of the structure poles etc appear to be bent or damaged in a way that would suggest some type of major impact. Thought that said, I don't know what a run over tent should look like.

This is what i asked earlier also. I am of the same mind but trying not to get taken with an idea(l) and i reasoned with it but theres other unknowns. How does a burst tent look, exactly.

 

[outspace]

So he disposed of the bodies in Grant HA. WV to Grant HA return journey is approx 3 and a half hours. Allow 30 minutes for a quick digging and burial off the side of the track making it a 4 hour return trip. Remember he was witnessed trying to flee via locked gate around midnight. Then imaged on camera shortly after sunrise at Mt Hotham - the journey from gate to Hotham is approx 4.5-5 hours.

They must have been dead before 7.30pm for all this to happen in one night.

Is this using Hills motor ?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

So he disposed of the bodies in Grant HA. WV to Grant HA return journey is approx 3 and a half hours. Allow 30 minutes for a quick digging and burial off the side of the track making it a 4 hour return trip. Remember he was witnessed trying to flee via locked gate around midnight. Then imaged on camera shortly after sunrise at Mt Hotham - the journey from gate to Hotham is approx 4.5-5 hours.

They must have been dead before 7.30pm for all this to happen in one night.

Well it seems it did happen in one night. I wasn't sure of distances/times to and from the points of interest, so an earlier event would seem to be more likely. Looking forward to hearing the full story one day.

 

[Sir_Loin]

interesting report from the HUN:

“Specialised arson chemists who examined the initial crime scene in Wonnangatta last year are working on the case”.

 

[outspace]

interesting report from the HUN:

“Specialised arson chemists who examined the initial crime scene in Wonnangatta last year are working on the case”.

Means nothing. Not flaming.

 

[Sir_Loin]

This is the yadayada. These people would have/should have been already on this. This isnt to flush anyone now no ? Quell our tastes for answers ?

Well two things come to mind if this reporting is true. Was there an attempt to incinerate the bodies at Wonnangatta? Seems unlikely given previous public statements from VICPOL.

Or was there an attempt to incinerate the bodies at the Providence Spur Track location? We will see.

 

[nut]

It was reported last week that he had been grounded earlier this year due to a medical condition. Been training others since.

he was attacked by his bees on hit FB before it was closed

 

[Kurve]

One of the issues I have with the running over the tent theory aside from avoiding hitting the car or tree which I've previously mentioned is that when you look at the burnt out pictures of the tent, none of the structure poles etc appear to be bent or damaged in a way that would suggest some type of major impact. Though that said, I don't know what a run over tent should look like.

Before



After

 

[outspace]

Well two things come to mind if this reporting is true. Was there an attempt to incinerate the bodies at Wonnangatta? Seems unlikely given previous public statements from VICPOL.

Or was there an attempt to incinerate the bodies at the Providence Spur Track location? We will see.

Yes my bad, i picked you/it up wrong, did not think of them on other sites either. My post was a bit aggro, unintended.

 

[Badd0g]

I thought he went rambo for seperate reasons so they had to move, not flush. Not flaming your post btw, i probably missed something.

EDIT spelling

No flame intent taken I think each of the snippets of info they have released over the past few months were intended to to flush him out - either to record him doing/saying something to incriminate himself, or as I suspect, giving his family/friends cause to start questioning how all the snippets were adding up. I'm placing money that the argument with his wife was over just this and her urging him to go to police.
I agree they were not ready to arrest him, and had to on the concern that he may have thought his goose was cooked and harmed himself - another reason why I think he has given them information. Otherwise, they would have acted earlier if they had enough to charge him. JMHO

 

[Terrafirma]

So he disposed of the bodies in Grant HA. WV to Grant HA return journey is approx 3 and a half hours. Allow 30 minutes for a quick digging and burial off the side of the track making it a 4 hour return trip. Remember he was witnessed trying to flee via locked gate around midnight. Then imaged on camera shortly after sunrise at Mt Hotham - the journey from gate to Hotham is approx 4.5-5 hours.

They must have been dead before 7.30pm for all this to happen in one night.

I highly doubt he has completed a return journey. Witness reports only heard the vehicle leaving around or just after midnight. The drone would have been in the air around 7.30pm or coming down at that time. He has only made one trip to leave, re-locate the bodies, and head home IMO. 3AW are suggesting he told them where the bodies are? That could be just their opinion or it could well be the case. The more I think about it I think he would have deleted his hemma tracks or not even turned them on so unless Hemma can track his breadcrumb trail because of Satellite handshakes and phone pinging wasn't possible because of no signal, he has confessed a story of killing them starting with Hill because of a confrontation. Off course he never thought he would be caught. So Hill makes him angry and he kills him without thought but then he must be cold blooded to kill Clay just because she was a witness. No matter how you want to spin it he is a cold blooded killer and with the likelihood of having done it before. (1st wife)

 

[Badd0g]

I’m not sure if anyone else has been doing this but google earth in 3D to look at the high country locations is sensational

It's great isn't it? I use it after I've created an off track route for hiking to get a real feel for the terrain/elevation etc.