Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Kurve]

If your assuming RH's Toyota for body disposal, why set up the awning when returning it to the site, seems like overkill?

I'm a bit doubtful of the blackberry worker's account of seeing Hill and Carol driving around with their drone up and the awning being tied to the vehicle. They would have set their camp up before taking the drone out and driving around with it.

It's one or the other imo.

 

[footscray1973]

This is highly likely. With these Nav devices you must turn on your tracks so they are recorded. It is popular to do this so you can re-trace yourself if needed. But it is also common to delete your tracks after sometime as they consume memory. What we do know though is they obtained the exact location of the remains whilst he was in custody. This is very powerful in determining his guilt in some way shape or form. So I don't see a question of guilt now I only see a case of why and how it all went down? So he will have told them why he did it, it wasn't premeditated, it was a confrontation that went bad because Hill didn't back down or agree to Lynn's demands. The staked campsite theory is also a good one as apparently on 60 minutes they said Hill and Clay didn't camp on the river because it was already taken. So if Hill staked it out earlier perhaps Lynn removed it when he arrived? That's another powerful motive as Hill would have confronted Lynn if this occurred. It is also possible they knew of each other because of earlier camping visits. In one way it seems these 2 were always on a collision course with each other.!

3aw link earlier with John Silvester seemed confident they were unknown to each other before whatever happened on 20 March last year. But think you're on the money about the collision course - sounds like both strong-willed individuals, on the face of it.

 

[Zidane98]

if assumptions of him being recorded/surveilled are correct, then they had enough for warrants. Hema is an Australian company so no need to go offshore.

Does Hema even store user information online? Most of their devices are focused on those using GPS in remote areas.


More likely to be saved on the actual device itself.

 

[Terrafirma]

I'm a bit doubtful of the blackberry worker's account of seeing Hill and Carol driving around with their drone up and the awning being tied to the vehicle. They would have set their camp up before taking the drone out and driving around with it.

It's one or the other imo.

Agreed. Here is the 60 minutes video. It's a good watch apart from the repetitive scenarios. The bush worker statement is included. He saw the drone flying via Hill and thought it was rude.

 

[Sir_Loin]

if assumptions of him being recorded/surveilled are correct, then they had enough for warrants. Hema is an Australian company so no need to go offshore.

yeah I agree and posted the same thing a few pages back. It’s just a timing issue for me. At what point did they have enough on him to access his data. It could be that it was only very recently so the theory still stacks up.

 

[Badd0g]

I'm a bit doubtful of the blackberry worker's account of seeing Hill and Carol driving around with their drone up and the awning being tied to the vehicle. They would have set their camp up before taking the drone out and driving around with it.

It's one or the other imo.

Didn't the worker say the drone flew over his campsite - and that he couldn't confirm if it were RHs? That would indicate RH wasn't seen. I don't recall reading anywhere that they were driving around with the drone.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Does Hema even store user information online? Most of their devices are focused on those using GPS in remote areas.


More likely to be saved on the actual device itself.

they have a cloud service too

 

[imho]

So he disposed of the bodies in Grant HA. WV to Grant HA return journey is approx 3 and a half hours. Allow 30 minutes for a quick digging and burial off the side of the track making it a 4 hour return trip. Remember he was witnessed trying to flee via locked gate around midnight. Then imaged on camera shortly after sunrise at Mt Hotham - the journey from gate to Hotham is approx 4.5-5 hours.

They must have been dead before 7.30pm for all this to happen in one night.

seems RH/CC were actually planning on a trip to Dargo ; had they mentioned as much to their neighbouring camper? did he perhaps overhear it on the CBradio?

with sunset at 19:23 ... speculatively, RH decides to capture the sunset and darkness as it creeps across the valley, his last flight for the day to be the last of his life when the neighbouring camper, by now fuming at the serenity breaking sound of the drone at last light, thinks "not that ****ing campaigner and his drone again — you wanna go to Dargo? here, i'll take yous to ****ing Dargo"
dreading to think where that drone might turn up


imho

 

[Terrafirma]

Didn't the worker say the drone flew over his campsite - and that he couldn't confirm if it were RHs? That would indicate RH wasn't seen. I don't recall reading anywhere that they were driving around with the drone.

Yes the worker says he saw Hill and Clay and believed Hill was flying his drone and yes it also says the drone flew over his campsite

 

[Badd0g]

yeah I agree and posted the same thing a few pages back. It’s just a timing issue for me. At what point did they have enough on him to access his data. It could be that it was only very recently so the theory still stacks up.

That we don't know. I suspect they've been looking into him since about Mar/April this year...piecing things together, like the colour change of car/google pics, watching Facebook etc. At what point they've gathered enough to support a warrant is unclear.

 

[Badd0g]

Yes the worker says he saw Hill and Clay and believed Hill was flying his drone and yes it also says the drone flew over his campsite

Yeah he was camped not too far away, so makes sense he may have seen them, but at the campsite or driving after setting up camp would be the question.

 

[footscray1973]

Its been mentioned a few times

Yep, but as a suggestion I think, if police suspected he'd moved them in RH's vehicle, surely there would be DNA traces of some sort, or evidence of sleeping bag thread caught on sharp protrusion, etc. They're still very intent on the trailer, which I think points to that being the method of transport of bodies. Happy to be corrected, but that's a lot of driving and riskier than just using his own transport to dump them and keep driving.

 

[Badd0g]

Does Hema even store user information online? Most of their devices are focused on those using GPS in remote areas.


More likely to be saved on the actual device itself.

Yup, it has cloud storage and one would need an account to upload.

 

[Sir_Loin]

That we don't know. I suspect they've been looking into him since about Mar/April this year...piecing things together, like the colour change of car/google pics, watching Facebook etc. At what point they've gathered enough to support a warrant is unclear.

Might be the media campaign shook something loose and gave the police that justification. I imagine the police did what they did with the media because they had a strong suspicion but not enough evidence. From a logic perspective it makes sense.

 

[Badd0g]

thinks "not that ******* campaigner and his drone again — you wanna go to Dargo? here, i'll take yous to ******* Dargo"
dreading to think where that drone might turn up
imho

Except we know he tried to leave via the Myrtleford gate...indicating he wasn't planning on heading to Dargo or Grants HA

 

[Badd0g]

Might be the media campaign shook something loose and gave the police that justification. I imagine the police did what they did with the media because they had a strong suspicion but not enough evidence. From a logic perspective it makes sense.

I agree...hence why they hadn't already arrested him prior to him taking off.

 

[craigos]

One of the issues I have with the running over the tent theory aside from avoiding hitting the car or tree which I've previously mentioned is that when you look at the burnt out pictures of the tent, none of the structure poles etc appear to be bent or damaged in a way that would suggest some type of major impact. Though that said, I don't know what a run over tent should look like.

Not to mention that to kill them instantly he'd have had to run over both their heads which would be extremely hard to do when you can't see the target.

 

[Kurve]

Didn't the worker say the drone flew over his campsite - and that he couldn't confirm if it were RHs? That would indicate RH wasn't seen. I don't recall reading anywhere that they were driving around with the drone.

On the 60 Mins program, the musterer repeated what he was told by the blackberry worker. That Russell and Carol were seen 'driving' and then the drone going over his campsite. This isn't information that was presented as formalised in a witness statement by the blackberry worker to the cops. If there's a record of the blackberry worker making a statement, it wasn't confirmed on the program.

 

[Awakening]

interesting the gap from 2017 to 2020

I wonder if that's just him not keeping up with Facebook privacy settings? I've also seen friends (all over age 50) make one post public then forget to switch it back to private.

It's terrifying me how normal he seems. On Facebook anyway.

 

[Terrafirma]

the 21 minute mark of the 60 minutes video is the bush workers statement re drone.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Not to mention that to kill them instantly he'd have had to run over both their heads which would be extremely hard to do when you can't see the target.

Any part of the torso would be enough to crush organs.

 

[outspace]

the 21 minute mark of the 60 minutes video is the bush workers statement re drone.

Not seen this, off to watch. tyvm

 

[craigos]

Any part of the torso would be enough to crush organs.

Yeah but wouldn't think that would be an instant death. Pretty risky to just wait whilst they may be screaming in pain for them to die.

 

[Badd0g]

Yep, but as a suggestion I think, if police suspected he'd moved them in RH's vehicle, surely there would be DNA traces of some sort, or evidence of sleeping bag thread caught on sharp protrusion, etc. They're still very intent on the trailer, which I think points to that being the method of transport of bodies. Happy to be corrected, but that's a lot of driving and riskier than just using his own transport to dump them and keep driving.

I'd agree on all of that. One thing I can't figure out is what it is on the top of the trailer in the Hotham pic. It had a hard, flat cover of some sort over it. Which would have made it perfect for concealing anything. There's been a bit of speculation over why he would take it but given it was equipped with OR tyres, I'd suggest it was part of his usual set up. Who knows why.
*edit: Just wondering now if it was maybe a solar panel setup

 

[Sir_Loin]

I wonder if that's just him not keeping up with Facebook privacy settings? I've also seen friends (all over age 50) make one post public then forget to switch it back to private.

It's terrifying me how normal he seems. On Facebook anyway.

mystifying why it’s back up