Ryder/Bellchambers #2 Ruck Duo in AFL?

[master bate]

You're just wrong about how much time he plays in the ruck, it's that simple.

What percentage did he ruck against Adelaide because if it wasn't only about 30% then I'm wrong then I think Ryder is a crap ruck and a crap forward.

I'm saying if Essendon can get Bellchambers as a good forward you have a good tandem. If Bellchambers can't play forward then you may as well trade either Ryder or Bellchambers for a midfielder because when Daniher develops as a forward/ruck one of them will be useless and stuck as depth.

 

[lamaros]

What percentage did he ruck against Adelaide because if it wasn't only about 30% then I'm wrong then I think Ryder is a crap ruck and a crap forward.



I'm saying if Essendon can get Bellchambers as a good forward you have a good tandem. If Bellchambers can't play forward then you may as well trade either Ryder or Bellchambers for a midfielder because when Daniher develops as a forward/ruck one of them will be useless and stuck as depth.

Adelaide he didn't ruck much. As you can see from his 11 HOs. That's one game.

In the 37 games Tom Bellchambers and Ryder have rucked together Bellchambers has averaged 3 HOs more per game than Ryder.

In the 40 games Roughead and Hale have played together Hale has averaged 10 more HOs per game than Roughead.

Both Ryder and Bellchambers play forward more than Hale, and ruck more than Roughead. It is more like a 60/40 Bellchambers/Ryder distribution in the ruck on average.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yeah I'm not sure about that. Usually the best combinations are when they complement each other as opposed to being very similar. In the case of these two, I see them as being very similar ruckmen and hence whilst strong, won't be dominant.

I do rate Hickey though.

It's certainly going to be interesting to see how McEvoy and Hickey go in partnership, possibly from as soon as this weekend.

I have my doubts about playing both of them working, though, as they are, as you suggested, both much better suited to playing in the ruck than up forward, from what we've seen so far. The one thing in both their favour for playing forward is that they are both extremely strong overhead, but neither have shown a lot up forward in any of their extended spells there, so it may be a bit like Carlton's situation, or North's previously (when they had Goldstein and MacIntosh) where one of them ends up playing in the VFL, despite being easily good enough to be playing senior AFL.

Obviously the ideal partnership for us would be either McEvoy or Hickey, with Rhys Stanley playing up forward for most of it and giving him the chopout, but Rhys' lack of durability so far has the club wanting to keep him out of the ruck, by the look of it, in spite of the fact that he looks like he could pretty easily be better at the centre bounces than McEvoy, thanks to his Natanui-type leap. So it looks like Stanley will be played either down back, or up forward, for the forseeable future, hence us going after Hickey.

One thing that getting Hickey ought to help with though is McEvoy's ruckwork, which hasn't been all that flash so far in his career, as this has apparently been the first preseason (at least in recent years) where Mac has done specialised ruckwork at training, which is pretty hard to believe.

 

[Fear Boner]

lol goldstein/petrie ruck combo number 2 pardon me but i had to laugh at that , and no way shape or form are ryder number 2 ruck combo they have to potential to ut not acheived it yet

 

[Daz]

lol goldstein/petrie ruck combo number 2 pardon me but i had to laugh at that , and no way shape or form are ryder number 2 ruck combo they have to potential to ut not acheived it yet

Who is the #2 pairing in your opinion?

 

[Hu$tler]

I'm telling you they are are so underrated.

May only be Melbourne but their service is so good and they get it done at both ends of the ground.

 

[Fear Boner]

I'm telling you they are are so underrated.

May only be Melbourne but their service is so good and they get it done at both ends of the ground.

its melbourne it doesnt count

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Pyke Mumford were not terrible for the last 2 weeks

 

[The King!]

Id take pyke mumford way before ryder bellchambers.

 

[Hu$tler]

Pyke and Mumford are solid but not as classy and don't break open games as well imo.

 

[The King!]

Pyke and Mumford are solid but not as classy and don't break open games as well imo.

Broke open the grand final well enough.

Ryder is inconsistent and since when is bellchambers classy, yes he has improved but thats a big call

 

[Hu$tler]

I could have beaten the Hawks rucks that day. Mumford didn't break anything up but agreed Pyke was very good.

Can't label Ryder and Bellchambers inconsistent and not there yet when the same can be said about the Swans duo.

 

[Debris]

Assuming everyone is fit, the two WA sides have the best ruck duos and I have trouble splitting them. I still think that Sandilands is the best ruckman by some margin when fit.

Pyke/Mumford probably slot in after them.

 

[fishardansin]

Bellchambers has consistently improved and the fact he's gone forward and kicked goals has added a new string to their bow. It means that Ryder can have more time on the ball and his rucking can really be sublime.

For mine the key is Ryder. He has been so inconsistent throughout his career. I personally think if he could play with consistent intenisty, both with mongrel and really hunting the ball he could be one of the best 5 players in the league. He is super quick (for any size), has and amazing leap, fantastic clean hands (both in the air and below his knees) and has a fantastic disposal, especially kicking for goal.

So I have them as potentially the best duo in the game.

However, I don't think it will happen. People have to accept the fact that people are born with elite talent, I count mind set as a talent. For Paddy footy has been too easy for him and he just wants to cruise around doing what he loves to do.

If he really hunted the ball he has the talent to average over 8 marks, 5 tackles, 3 goals and 8 center break winning taps to advantage.

 

[Underdog]

If he really hunted the ball he has the talent to average over 8 marks, 5 tackles, 3 goals and 8 center break winning taps to advantage.

You think he has the potential to be a superstar ruckman AND kick 60+ goals a year?

 

[Tas]

Not even remotely close atm.

 

[Grogg]

Bellchambers is a beauty I reckon, but the other bloke is a flake.

 

[blitzer]

One good thing about Ryder/Bellchambers is that they can both rest up forward and be dangerous and actually be capable of kicking goals. This is so important in the modern game where you can't always afford a bench spot for a resting ruck. Also Ryder/Bellchambers are very different which is quite nice for a ruck combo because sometimes you can actually gain a benefit from having a certain type of ruckman against specific opponent ruckmen. In addition most ruckmen are not very effective up forward but I think that's our duo's greatest strength and I think if they both remain on the park they will kick several goals every single week.

I can understand the argument for Sandilands/Griffin they are both good ruckmen but I'm not sure they are a good combo, they don't really complement each other so its more about their individual ability. I'm not convinced either is too effective when not in the ruck. I'll have to watch more Sydney to form more of an opinion of Mumford/Pyke. Unfortunately them starting against the expansion teams this year wasn't interesting to me so they are one of the few teams I haven't watched thus far.

 

[Mattlowry]

As a Bombers supporter Paddy is definitely the most frustrating player on our list. I genuinely believe he is the most talented player on our list. In nearly every single way. He is a freak, and has freak like skills that could put him in the top 5-10 players in the league.

That said, we see about 5 minutes of that per game, every 3 weeks. When he is on in the ruck, he is just unbelievable. He is a ruckman, and not a forward. But that said is better around the grounds than T-Bell usually is. I'm much more comfortable with T-Bell up forward than Ryder tho.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Mumford & Pyke neck and neck with Ryder & Bellchambers at the moment.

 

[fishardansin]

You think he has the potential to be a superstar ruckman AND kick 60+ goals a year?

Yes.

 

[WWSD]

I like Bellchambers and Ryder as a ruck duo. They work well together. Both players kick goals when they play up forward and with their size, strength, they are a difficult match up's to contain when they are playing well. Neither players have reached their peak yet. They could potentially be the second best ruck duo in the competition if they continue to develope. At this stage though it's hard to go past the Mumford/Pyke ruck duo who I think are slightly ahead at this stage.

 

[pazza]

I like Bellchambers and Ryder as a ruck duo. They work well together. Both players kick goals when they play up forward and with their size, strength, they are a difficult match up's to contain when they are playing well. Neither players have reached their peak yet. They could potentially be the second best ruck duo in the competition if they continue to develope. At this stage though it's hard to go past the Mumford/Pyke ruck duo who I think are slightly ahead at this stage.

And that's the thing.

Both are 23/24. Perhaps a year or 2 away from being ready to take the game by storm.

 

[Slax]

Ryder/Bellchambers show potential, but until I see them go up against a decent ruck combination that is all you can say - potential.

Nothing can be taken out of yesterday for Essendon except percentage. You can talk all you like about the positives, but against a side that would lose to half the VFL teams all you're doing is filling in the void that would be otherwise silence.

 

[fishardansin]

Ryder/Bellchambers show potential, but until I see them go up against a decent ruck combination that is all you can say - potential.

Nothing can be taken out of yesterday for Essendon except percentage. You can talk all you like about the positives, but against a side that would lose to half the VFL teams all you're doing is filling in the void that would be otherwise silence.

That's the point of the thread though. He's saying that they have the potential to become that this year and he's tipping that they will.