It's coming, St Kilda will be one of those middle of the road teams that gives Port the usal touch up.
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Hopefully Dougal Howard tears us a new one.
Poor Ken. Tough fixture and double ups, 6.day breaks. KT already paving the excuse pathway.
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The outrage from delisting Sam Gray is palpable.
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These sort of wishes actually baffle me.
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Hey durrrwayne, it's a bad look to have an incompetent loser flush the club down the toilet in its 150th as well
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We sacked Chocco in our 140th and we will sack Hinkley in our 150th.
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What are the signs when is an egregore out of control?
"It's really simple...it's common sense. It's when ideology overrules reason. That's what we see so much today - ideology overrules discussion. As Joseph Stalin said, and I'll paraphrase him: "When facts and theory collide, it's unfortunate for the theory." Because of course, as everyone knew, the facts don't matter. Of course, he also said "No man, no problem" too...we just get rid of the man, and the problem is gone. And that's what we see...when you're looking at your group and you're involved in it...when facts are ignored...and there's not even a discussion, there's even an assumption as to what the facts are, cause a lot of things we don't even know."
"It's really simple...it's common sense. It's when ideology overrules reason. That's what we see so much today - ideology overrules discussion. As Joseph Stalin said, and I'll paraphrase him: "When facts and theory collide, it's unfortunate for the theory." Because of course, as everyone knew, the facts don't matter. Of course, he also said "No man, no problem" too...we just get rid of the man, and the problem is gone. And that's what we see...when you're looking at your group and you're involved in it...when facts are ignored...and there's not even a discussion, there's even an assumption as to what the facts are, cause a lot of things we don't even know."
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Missing our home ground disadvantage and massive injuries to the saints though. If the Saints had injuries and the game was at AO then it would be a close lose for us.
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Same here. I'd prefer he fails massively and it shows our list managers actually know what they are doing. Not that I expect him to fail though.
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"My question to Ken was, and I do it to [chief executive] Keith [Thomas] … I do it to Chris Davies, who is the head of our football department: 'What do I need to do to make you a 10-year coach? You tell me, not just in terms of resources, but your professional and personal development and the whole lot'."
It wasn't a statement.
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Yeah doubtful he’ll kick a winning goal anytime soon cause poor fing wan play defender all is life.
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Like the touch up people expected them to give us this year?
Remember - we destroyed them without Dixon, Wines, Ebert, Rockliff and Watts...and Howard was playing up forward.
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Sounds logical to me.
Without getting too personal, have you considered changing the setting on the cheese grater ?Remember, you can also use it to zest a lemon.
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It may as well have been. Why should we be concerned with making anyone a 10 year anything? We don’t exist to provide tenure for the sake of it, but that’s the path we’re on considering our results over the last five years (i.e. the facts).
Sounds exactly like ideology trumping reason to me.
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He wasn't saying 'I want to make you a 10 year coach'. He was asking him what he needed to ensure that he couldn't point to anything outside of his coaching performance as being the issue as to why he wasn't a 10 year coach.
It wasn't about tenure for the sake of it. It was the exact opposite - removing everything that could possibly used as an excuse as to why things didn't go to plan.
I wonder if Ken is already diligently preparing 22 post game losing speeches for next season.
Rd1 Suns down Power by 19 points...
Random reporter: Well Ken, not the ideal way to kick off the new season.
KH: Yeah, obviously we’re disappointed, but let’s not kid ourselves, the opposition were very, very good tonight. Dewy is doing a wonderful job with an incredibly talented young list.
Look, obviously we had our moments, but we just failed to capitalise when it counted. But we’ll take some positives away from this game & move into next week.
Random Reporter: What do you think those positives were?
KH: I thought the Hoff was outstanding. He kicked a few early & did some good things down back to stem the flow. Trav lead from the front as usual, & Robbie was his normal brilliant self. So the supporters have a lot to look forward to.
You can't spell egregore without ego.
Yet here we are.
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He could’ve easily just said “what do you need to win the flag?”
There’s absolutely no need to frame it in terms of Ken or his length of service, unless of course he’s under the mistaken belief that a long-term leader will inevitably be a successful one.
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He said that he asks the same question of Keith Thomas and Chris Davies. It's got nothing to do with the role.
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Asking a bad question multiple times doesn’t turn it into a good question.
I guess my overarching point here is that the egregore/groupthink stuff is actually pretty relevant to our situation, I’m not mocking it at all, I just think it’s misdirected. Rather than applying it to the relative small fry that is this forum you should be analysing the Club through this prism instead. The 10-year coach bollocks was just the first thing that came to my mind but you could equally identify the presence of “ideology over reason” in many other decisions that have been made in recent years (e.g. co-captains, gameplan, selections, trades).
In other words, the egregore that should concern you most is the one that exists within the Port Adelaide Football Club because it’s the one doing the vast majority of the damage.
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