Unofficial Preview Sack Hinkley 2: Septic Portaloo

[Janus]

Asking a bad question multiple times doesn’t turn it into a good question.

I guess my overarching point here is that the egregore/groupthink stuff is actually pretty relevant to our situation, I’m not mocking it at all, I just think it’s misdirected. Rather than applying it to the relative small fry that is this forum you should be analysing the Club through this prism instead. The 10-year coach bollocks was just the first thing that came to my mind but you could equally identify the presence of “ideology over reason” in many other decisions that have been made in recent years (e.g. co-captains, gameplan, selections, trades).

In other words, the egregore that should concern you most is the one that exists within the Port Adelaide Football Club because it’s the one doing the vast majority of the damage.

You become like the 5 people you spend the most time with.

In the case of our coach, it will be the assistant coaches he is surrounded by. That's why assistants are so important in the modern game, and they need to be complementary in the fact that they strengthen the areas of weakness that the other coaches might have. If there is contention in the coaching box, good - by iron, iron itself is sharpened.

I like our assistants. I think that they balance Ken out well, because while they might not get along personality wise, philosophically they've got similar belief systems as to how they believe the game should be played. Would Sam Gray and Ryder not be given the parachute contracts they were looking for if Schofield wasn't here to step on Ken's toes? I doubt it. Would the club have traded Howard had they not gone all in Monty's assessment as to where he fit into the defence (i.e. not at all)? Nope.

You can disagree with those decisions if you like, but my thought is that no one that is working for Port Adelaide Football Club is actively trying to sabotage it. Just like with the Wingard and Polec trades, the club believes rightly or wrongly that Dougal Howard wouldn't be part of our next premiership, and the player we pick with 18 will be.

Co-captains, selections, gameplan, trades...none of it matters if the team has the right connection as a group and is united in one thought and purpose. The team that got thrashed by North Melbourne is the same team that thrashed West Coast.

 

[Lagooner]

You become like the 5 people you spend the most time with.

In the case of our coach, it will be the assistant coaches he is surrounded by. That's why assistants are so important in the modern game, and they need to be complementary in the fact that they strengthen the areas of weakness that the other coaches might have. If there is contention in the coaching box, good - by iron, iron itself is sharpened.

I like our assistants. I think that they balance Ken out well, because while they might not get along personality wise, philosophically they've got similar belief systems as to how they believe the game should be played. Would Sam Gray and Ryder not be given the parachute contracts they were looking for if Schofield wasn't here to step on Ken's toes? I doubt it. Would the club have traded Howard had they not gone all in Monty's assessment as to where he fit into the defence (i.e. not at all)? Nope.

You can disagree with those decisions if you like, but my thought is that no one that is working for Port Adelaide Football Club is actively trying to sabotage it. Just like with the Wingard and Polec trades, the club believes rightly or wrongly that Dougal Howard wouldn't be part of our next premiership, and the player we pick with 18 will be.

Co-captains, selections, gameplan, trades...none of it matters if the team has the right connection as a group and is united in one thought and purpose. The team that got thrashed by North Melbourne is the same team that thrashed West Coast.

We’re gonna need to raise the bar a little higher than “active sabotage” if we want to get anywhere. There needs to be accountability for poor performance and bad decisions, irrespective of good intentions.

 

[Janus]

We’re gonna need to raise the bar a little higher than “active sabotage” if we want to get anywhere. There needs to be accountability for poor performance and bad decisions, irrespective of good intentions.

'Good, better, best. Never let it rest. 'Til your good is better, and your better is best.' - Hieronymus

That's all I want to see. Continual improvement over stagnation.

 

[TeeKray]

That's all I want to see. Continual improvement over stagnation.

We've been the definition of stagnant for 5 years now man. At some point, you gotta ditch Captain Stagnation and try a new path.

 

[El_Scorcho]

the team has the right connection as a group and is united in one thought and purpose

This doesn't just happen because we really want it to. It happens because a winning culture is instilled from the top of the organisation down.

 

[PAFC27]

Let's get crackin, Port just sack him

 

[Steve Dore]

Feckin egregore and alchemy. KT, Koch and Hinkley are going to turn this turd into gold. They just need more time.

 

[Del165198]

'Good, better, best. Never let it rest. 'Til your good is better, and your better is best.' - Hieronymus

I think that was MC Euronymous from mayhem with one of his sick rhymes

 

[Janus]

This doesn't just happen because we really want it to. It happens because a winning culture is instilled from the top of the organisation down.

You think this requires external change. I say it requires internal change.

People are always talking about leadership being the reason for failure because it absolves them of responsibility for the current predicament. The truth is that everyone has to believe in the direction the club is going if success is to be achieved. Everyone is equally as important - it’s a great fallacy of life for people to think that they can’t affect change. You are far more powerful than you think, but not as powerful as the collective will.

What I’m saying is very simple - this concept of getting rid of the head coach as the panacea to a wider problem of disconnect within the club isn’t going to fix it. This is an egregore that has gotten out of control and is now feeding on negativity to the point where people are saying we might lose to ****ing GOLD COAST.

If you can’t acknowledge that as a problem, then you’re the problem. Not the coach.

 

[Us against the rest]

Like the touch up people expected them to give us this year?

Remember - we destroyed them without Dixon, Wines, Ebert, Rockliff and Watts...and Howard was playing up forward.

Time will tell.

 

[Duck Farmer]

... you’re the problem. Not the coach.

PAFC 2020 Membership Slogan.

 

[Us against the rest]

Like the touch up people expected them to give us this year?

Remember - we destroyed them without Dixon, Wines, Ebert, Rockliff and Watts...and Howard was playing up forward.

The China games are looked at as must win games, Hinkley stresses this pre - match.

Such a shame that when the spot light is not on him, he goes back to his chair of mediocrity.

I believe with what has transpired so far this off season, we will fall behind St Kilda and possibly Carlton.

 

[Us against the rest]

I want Hinkley sacked but his removal is only the tip of the iceberg, the people running the shit show must go too.

 

[Steve Dore]

I want Hinkley sacked but his removal is only the tip of the iceberg, the people running the shit show must go too.

Hinkley's management played KT, Koch and the board for fools. They need to go.

 

[Power Girl]

PAFC 2020 Membership Slogan.

"... you're the problem. Not the coach." PAFC-Janus

I'm getting T-shirts made up. Our new slogan really encapsulates the whole feel from the club.

'Now shut up and pay up you lot and see you at the footy.' KT possibly

Sack the bastards already.

 

[Duck Farmer]

The China games are looked at as must win games, Hinkley stresses this pre - match.

We will win comfortably. Now that Richo's been sacked, Ken will have another crack at punking Ratten with the ole poison tea trick.

 

[Lagooner]

'Good, better, best. Never let it rest. 'Til your good is better, and your better is best.' - Hieronymus

That's all I want to see. Continual improvement over stagnation.

We all do. Meanwhile...

9th, 10th, 7th, 10th, 10th

#deercountry

 

[Steve Dore]

So the reason we lose games is because of the attitude of the members and nothing what so ever to do with Hinkley?

That's being a bit unfair on Thunderpants and his happy clapper crowd.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You think this requires external change. I say it requires internal change.

People are always talking about leadership being the reason for failure because it absolves them of responsibility for the current predicament. The truth is that everyone has to believe in the direction the club is going if success is to be achieved. Everyone is equally as important - it’s a great fallacy of life for people to think that they can’t affect change. You are far more powerful than you think, but not as powerful as the collective will.

What I’m saying is very simple - this concept of getting rid of the head coach as the panacea to a wider problem of disconnect within the club isn’t going to fix it. This is an egregore that has gotten out of control and is now feeding on negativity to the point where people are saying we might lose to ******* GOLD COAST.

If you can’t acknowledge that as a problem, then you’re the problem. Not the coach.

This is all fine, nobody disagrees with any of this.

But to turn the ship around and get everyone pulling in the same direction again, we'll need strong leadership at the top of the organisation.

It's gotten as bad as it has because of a lack of leadership.

Koch has to go.

 

[Mr Duncan]

u shud make janus hed coach... certainly knows enuff 2 be 1

 

[Mr Duncan]

Lets get behind hinks guys hes done a lot for this state

 

[Mr Duncan]

GET 'EM Janus!!!!!!!

 

[simba_]

Janus: Hinkley is nothing like a 38 year old Pep Guardiola and we are not Barcelona in 2008. I know Koch sold us this idea that we have to stick by everyone and everything has to remain the same for a decade before we start seeing results - it's bullshit. He doesn't know.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Janus , you talk about an end goal, not a road map for getting there.

We all acknowledge that we all want the team pulling in the same direction. We all acknowledge the current massive disconnect at all levels of the club.

Just hoping we can achieve that and saying that team harmony is important achieves precisely nothing. Gold Coast have probably been saying the same thing for 8 years. It's achieved through strong leadership at the top of the organisation. We currently don't have that.

It doesn't necessitate a change in personnel (although you have repeatedly claimed that getting rid of Wingard, Polec and Howard would move us closer). It does necessitate a complete change in attitude, starting with Koch at the top.

 

[240volt]

Sounds logical to me.
Without getting too personal, have you considered changing the setting on the cheese grater ?Remember, you can also use it to zest a lemon.

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Zest a Lemon I must try that one