Speculation Sam de Koning [OOC 2025]

[Art Vandelay_]

Again rubbished by Sam Edmund on SEN.
Not up for trade and not wanting to leave

 

[BlueJet]

Again rubbished by Sam Edmund on SEN.
Not up for trade and not wanting to leave

Yep, it just seemed like lazy journos & easily excited fans getting a little carried away.

 

[FootyLad0]

Again rubbished by Sam Edmund on SEN.
Not up for trade and not wanting to leave

That's what i thought? Blues fans called in last week and asked and he said it was rubbish and then Twomey repeated the same the next day.

 

[sexyhunk]

Yep, it just seemed like lazy journos & easily excited fans getting a little carried away.

to be fair majority of journos havent gone on with it except one.

 

[FootyLad0]

to be fair majority of journos havent gone on with it except one.

Edmund and Twomey are both good journos and both shut it down last week.

Ralph is an absolute worm who knows nothing.
Throws out opinion with no evidence or backing.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yep, it just seemed like lazy journos & easily excited fans getting a little carried away.

Classic Kane Cornes hypothetical

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

TDK worth double

SDKs a premiership player

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

SDKs a premiership player

So is Billy Frampton... Your point?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

TDK worth double

Couldn't be. He's a ruck and the ruck is a largely low worth position at the top end.

High worth at the back up position

 

[Foxman98]

So is Billy Frampton... Your point?

Always the best line this time of year like it means anything,

Zaine Cordy is a premiership CHF Bill Frampton and Premiership FB Jason Castagna a 3 time premiership FP role players exist doesn't add value

 

[sexyhunk]

TDK worth double

make sense carlton trying to clear out cap space moving on contracted players as you need to pay TDK big coin. you wouldnt want another club tempting him since all your cap tied up to 6 players and potentially houston now.

good luck.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Couldn't be. He's a ruck and the ruck is a largely low worth position at the top end.

High worth at the back up position

TDK would be close to the highest value player in the league. Daicos and Reid would still be ahead but TDK projects as what could be the best ruck in the competition for the next half dozen years.

SDK doesn't even know what his best position is at this stage after losing his way down back the last couple years.

TDK worth plenty, SDK about half that.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

make sense carlton trying to clear out cap space moving on contracted players as you need to pay TDK big coin. you wouldnt want another club tempting him since all your cap tied up to 6 players and potentially houston now.

good luck.

Williams, McGovern, Newman, Docherty etc etc will all be winding up. We should have no issues keeping him

 

[sexyhunk]

TDK would be close to the highest value player in the league. Daicos and Reid would still be ahead but TDK projects as what could be the best ruck in the competition for the next half dozen years.

SDK doesn't even know what his best position is at this stage after losing his way down back the last couple years.

TDK worth plenty, SDK about half that.

so carlton would knocked back trades for sam darcy or harry sheezel for TDK?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

TDK would be close to the highest value player in the league. Daicos and Reid would still be ahead but TDK projects as what could be the best ruck in the competition for the next half dozen years.

SDK doesn't even know what his best position is at this stage after losing his way down back the last couple years.

TDK worth plenty, SDK about half that.

Can't be. Rucks are an overrated position.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

so carlton would knocked back trades for sam darcy or harry sheezel for TDK?

Yeah I don't think we'd trade him for either at this stage.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Can't be. Rucks are an overrated position.

Depends how good said ruck is. I recall Gawn absolutely annihilating ur mob a few years back in the finals and the position didn't seem overrated then

 

[Foxman98]

Yeah I don't think we'd trade him for either at this stage.

Dreaming now if you wouldn't trade him for Darcy

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Dreaming now if you wouldn't trade him for Darcy

Why would Carlton trade TDK for Darcy given our list make up right now?

There's other players who'd be just as, or more valuable than TDK... But he'd be right up there and list fit wise he's the perfect player for our slow ass midfield unit.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Depends how good said ruck is. I recall Gawn absolutely annihilating ur mob a few years back in the finals and the position didn't seem overrated then

McEvoy x3, Jo.Roughead, Nankervis x3, Vardy/Lycett, Gawn, Stanley, D.Cameron

Recent premiership ruckman. One dominant, a few good types and some journeymen.

Missing: Goldstein, Sandilands, Grundy, Naitanui

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

McEvoy x3, Jo.Roughead, Nankervis x3, Vardy/Lycett, Gawn, Stanley, D.Cameron

Recent premiership ruckman. One dominant, a few good types and some journeymen.

Missing: Goldstein, Sandilands, Grundy, Naitanui

The best ruckmen of the last 20 years have all featured prominently in grand finals throughout though. Cox, Gawn, Natinui, Sandilands, Grundy, Ottens, Jolly. Only one that sticks out to me as never experiencing much overall team success was Goldstein.

The absolute top line rucks have a lot of value in the game, the tier below are fairly replaceable.

Just my opinion on the matter.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Either way, seems like SDK is no chance of departing and given the amount of delistings the cats made yesterday I can't see them moving many if any more senior players on.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The best ruckmen of the last 20 years have all featured prominently in grand finals throughout though. Cox, Gawn, Natinui, Sandilands, Grundy, Ottens, Jolly. Only one that sticks out to me as never experiencing much overall team success was Goldstein.

The absolute top line rucks have a lot of value in the game, the tier below are fairly replaceable.

Just my opinion on the matter.

Given GF's are between the two best teams, often similarly matched in skill, surely a great ruck featuring in lots of GF's and often on the losing side proves the relative uselessness of the ruckman, or more specifically, the hitout.

There's a footy stats book, and Bucks used to reference it in press conferences, winning the hitouts results in winning 51.3% of matches. Matches are 50:50 contests to begin with.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Given GF's are between the two best teams, often similarly matched in skill, surely a great ruck featuring in lots of GF's and often on the losing side proves the relative uselessness of the ruckman, or more specifically, the hitout.

There's a footy stats book, and Bucks used to reference it in press conferences, winning the hitouts results in winning 51.3% of matches. Matches are 50:50 contests to begin with.

I don't think many of the great rucks have simply been hit out only players for as long as I've lived. The best get involved around the ground as marking threats and link players

Gawn is a prime example of this, in his prime he was pretty close to the best player in the competition, as was Grundy.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Edmund and Twomey are both good journos and both shut it down last week.

Ralph is an absolute worm who knows nothing.
Throws out opinion with no evidence or backing.

Interesting take.

Agree Twomey is the most reliable pundit, helped by the fact he shares an office with the key decision makers.

Ralph I rate higher than Edmund by virtue of the fact he breaks more stories. Sure when he indulges in speculative waffling he can posit some dumb theories. But his actual news articles are reasonable as far as AFL junket media standards go.

By contrast I reckon Edmund breaks a third of the yarns Ralph does. More of his journalism I find to be of the “I’ve confirmed what someone else has already said” variety.

But all of the above are more authoritative than Jay Clark or Damien Barrett.