Coach Sam Mitchell's direction for the club and 2024 news

[Strapping Young Lad]

If anyone wants to have a listen about what the data is saying in regards to whether we have actually gotten worse this year have a listen to this from the 9:15 mark.

I know a few people have already touched on it, but the data is also showing that our results this year have been slightly better despite actually putting out a younger team and dealing with some injuries.




And here.

 

[cryptor]

The question is, how do you explain all our players sweating like crazy by quarter time?

The conditions weren’t humid. The players were humid.

 

[wizzard400]

I find the switching around of line coaches really amateur hour stuff. I know we move our back coaches to the mids, forward coaches to backs etc; just to build up assistant coaches CV's. Why not get the best mid coach and keep them there for example?? Same across the board.

Does my head in. Amateur approach to a professional game.

Are you talking about the coaching shuffle that happened in pre season or has there been a recent swap I’m unaware of?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Are you talking about the coaching shuffle that happened in pre season or has there been a recent swap I’m unaware of?

Pretty sure they just think coaches should stay looking after a set line year on year.

 

[Brishawk]

I did see them zone plenty of times but only one kick ahead of the ball not a full zone.

We do often have players nearest the man on the mark sag off their opponent to guard the space behind but there is absolutely no structure to it the way we see teams that use a zone or press.

 

[Brishawk]

Pretty sure they just think coaches should stay looking after a set line year on year.

My guess is they wanted hickmott, the most experienced assistant, to coach the forwards. The forwards had a lot of new players so it makes sense to out your best assistant there.

 

[Goatie]

Turn off the tap: The small tweak changing ruckwork

This is the ruck rule that Sam has mentioned a few times in the media.
Apparently it has affected Ned being able to get our mids hits to advantage.

 

[ScottMaginness]

The question is, how do you explain all our players sweating like crazy by quarter time?

I remember Scrimshaw going to bench looking like someone had dumped a bucket of gatorade on him.

 

[Briar Gold]

Pretty sure they just think coaches should stay looking after a set line year on year.

Nope.

But it's definitely worth considering if the change in midfield coach is a factor in our poor midfield performance so far this year.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Nope.

But it's definitely worth considering if the change in midfield coach is a factor in our poor midfield performance so far this year.

We didn’t change midfield coach

 

[Briar Gold]

We didn’t change midfield coach

Ok well what's gone wrong then

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I can only tell you what I experienced, it was a perfect coolish dry non windy night which is rare for the GC.

The fact that you call a 23° evening in April ‘coolish’ shows that your gauge on the conditions and someone from Melbourne’s gauge on them would be very different. I really don’t know why those north of the border can’t grasp this concept - I mean I know the education outcomes up there are bad, but I didn’t know they’d gotten this bad.

 

[Hot Cheese Rioli]

Pretty sure they just think coaches should stay looking after a set line year on year.

Yes - pretty much this. We should have expert line coaches looking after their respective areas and not switching them around. I'm not an NFL expert, but I'm fairly certain their offensive co-ordinators specialise in this area and would never ever shift to look after the defence for example.

I get the point around some assistants having senior coach aspirations and that's a tricky one but I'd like to think there is room for those individuals to develop without continually impacting the various lines.

I imagine we'll get to the NFL model some day down the track....just makes sense to me.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yes - pretty much this. We should have expert line coaches looking after their respective areas and not switching them around. I'm not an NFL expert, but I'm fairly certain their offensive co-ordinators specialise in this area and would never ever shift to look after the defence for example.

I get the point around some assistants having senior coach aspirations and that's a tricky one but I'd like to think there is room for those individuals to develop without continually impacting the various lines.

I imagine we'll get to the NFL model some day down the track....just makes sense to me.

Or we won’t, because it’s a completely different sport.

 

[Hot Cheese Rioli]

Or we won’t, because it’s a completely different sport.

Waste of time Sammy heading to Spurs, not sure why he bothered. Different sports and all.

edit: sarcasm font applied

 

[PenAndPaper]

Waste of time Sammy heading to Spurs, not sure why he bothered. Different sports and all.

Bet you weren't saying that when Clarko would take yearly trips overseas to look closely at other sporting organisations including basketball

 

[MightyHawks]

Hard to say with the humidity really.

From where i was I was in shorts and polo (sort of like the players)
And I had some white wines (sort of like the players needing to keep their fluids up)
Then I had a kick for 15 minutes after the siren with my 9 year old (sort of like the players)
And I didn't get too tired.

 

[Hot Cheese Rioli]

Bet you weren't saying that when Clarko would take yearly trips overseas to look closely at other sporting organisations including basketball

Sorry, that's my fault, I should have used the sarcastic font. I agree with you. Heaps to be gained from learning from other sports.

 

[Yardie]

My guess is they wanted hickmott, the most experienced assistant, to coach the forwards. The forwards had a lot of new players so it makes sense to out your best assistant there.

Have no issue with this reasoning, but we didn't replace his previous role in stoppages.

 

[The hands of stone]

8 - 9 years just isn't a timeframe that anyone can work with or accept I'm afraid. Does anyone on this forum find it acceptable that we could suck this bad for the almost a decade? The board most certainly won't.

And I am not sure a process of cutting a list right back and throwing youngsters to the wolves is good either.

The best run clubs like Geelong, Collingwood and Sydney gradually blood their young players over time after they have learnt their systems thoroughly at VFL level so when they come into the seniors it's a seamless transition and they are surrounded by hardened veterans.

Its how we used to do it in our Dynasty years in the 1980s. Like a collegiate system of running a club where knowledge gets passed down continuously.

If you go down the bottoming out path and hitting the draft hard rout you may, if you are lucky, strike it rich with some generational talent like Melbourne did but that's a risky path to take and harder to do by the year with how compromised the draft is these days (especially with Tassie entering the comp soon).

They are very well run , but lets also not pretend that they havent benefited from the vagueries that is the draft .

Imagine us having access to Heeney/Mills like the Swans through Academy.

Cats as example get Hawkins as pick 41 as an FS amongst others. And there list is basically to get 'home' players back not necessarily develop in vfl .

Pies get Daicos FS after stuffing there cap and releasing Grundy/Treloar .

Any of those would be a game changer for us but we simple dont have that lever to pull . Maybe Dear might prove to be our value FS down the track .

 

[Steven Tyler]

Hard to say with the humidity really.

From where i was I was in shorts and polo (sort of like the players)
And I had some white wines (sort of like the players needing to keep their fluids up)
Then I had a kick for 15 minutes after the siren with my 9 year old (sort of like the players)
And I didn't get too tired.

Did you hit a target in that 15 minute period?

 

[MasterSamurai]

Yeah, the more I think of Dylan comments the more worrying it is. İs Sam just going a bit easy on the playing list , the modern way of teaching instead of the old whack behind the ears here and there!? Again, I repeat, I'm not that concerned about losing to a club with four hundred first rounders on their dung heap, more the way we easily give up.
I predicted a loss but not this way.
Anyhow, beating up on north shouldn't be an out for no one. We should have a standard. Sam said we should be passed these sort of floggings and I agree with him.

 

[MightyHawks]

Did you hit a target in that 15 minute period?

Some great kicks.

Good marks.

My son missed a kick from goal from the goal square, but we've put that down to the humidity

 

[Big Hotdog]

If anyone wants to have a listen about what the data is saying in regards to whether we have actually gotten worse this year have a listen to this from the 9:15 mark.

I know a few people have already touched on it, but the data is also showing that our results this year have been slightly better despite actually putting out a younger team and dealing with some injuries.

11:50 "they go up there and play Gold Coast on a slippery night"

 

[f4zz]

I do wonder if sams plan is too sophisticated for the team to understand. Can he strip it back to basics like Ross Lyon does. Saints are flying.