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Wow, nice gaslighting
Tell us about ‘our talented back six’ not contributing to wins in the back end if the season again.
Or maybe pivot to some new outrage you can manufacture, or more fact free analysis.
Have you slept yet mate?
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Wow, nice gaslighting
Tell us about ‘our talented back six’ not contributing to wins in the back end if the season again.
Or maybe pivot to some new outrage you can manufacture, or more fact free analysis.
Quickly through the corridor thats if the opposition allow it mate. Under clarkson when we were playing well we certainly didnt. Other teams will also flood the corridor. You need to be able to transition using the width of the ground switching the play and going quickly. There were times last year where we just focused on getting the ball down the ground. It was a work in progress and we did get better. Walk before you can run analogy.I think we will keep the defensive setups as we seem to be a solid team defensively. It's when we tried to move the ball forward, once we gained possession, that the slow movement issues arose.
Hopefully the changes come from players moving the ball quickly through the corridor, as opposed to slowly down the flanks. With a backline that should include at least three of Scrimshaw, Sicily, Impey, Hardwick and CJ we will have the players that can go on a tear or take the inboard kick through the corridor if it's there.
Also Clarko was burnt out, he needs a rest. An could return to the AFL sharper than ever in 2023.I think we need to hit the draft, recruit well, back the future generation and implement a game plan that can beat anyone, not just be competitive against most on our day, or look good in the 2nd half of the year. I feel it isn't as simple as game plan in isolation, but drafting, trading, recruiting, development, and prioritising the longer term to become the team we need to be again seemed to be slightly opposed to each other, as there seemed to be more than half an eye on the now as well, and holding on to elements that had won us a threepete.
This is why I feel a change (no doubt it also a risk) was needed and Sam in the best place to keep the best of Clarko (loved the intercepting high up the ground later in the year), but also a new vision for what is needed. I remember Zac Dawson being the symbol of an ultra focused youth policy even when he was getting smashed, it was about development and learning over wins. Joel Smith was (unluckily) moved on in 2008 when he was still playing good football because of the focus on youth and development. It makes me wonder why things seemed to have changed, and (just 1 example) why Downie wasn't played off the sub position more this year, and use that rule change as a way to give him a taste, given wing is an area we are crying out for depth and he had a good pre-season and looks the type we need. I understand his Box Bill form played a big part, but that one AFL game did him a world of good, so why not try to give him 6-7 given Philipps wasn't setting the world on fire? We did this with Brad Hill before he was physically ready to great effect, and I feel the Clarko of 2005 would have thrown him in the deep end more often. We could have prioritised youth, and if it meant shorter team pain we'd probably be picking up Callaghan in the draft this year as the downside.
Our recent business plan was premierships, so can't blame Clarko solely as the club put in writing and made public our want for (multiple) premierships in the pretty short term, but I don't think that was realistic. Our first 5250 plan was based on the drafting and situation of the club, where the latest one seemed just to be 'cause we're Hawthorn', rather than an astute look at the list to see where we were at and what was needed to get back to a side consistently able to make top 4. Clarkson has said how his loyalty to players he's brought over and the promises he made about the direction also played a part in his thinking; so it seemed a different Clarkson to the one who came over and stripped the club right down to be in a position to rebuild when he started. Scully and Patton would have been playing as well if not for external 'circumstances' causing a premature retirement, meaning more impact on development of some younger guys if they had been playing.
So with Mitchell I think a change was needed given the above, not because Clarko isn't brilliant or capable, but because I think we need Clarko of 2005 not the one who has loyalty and relationships to players we need to evolve on from and start a new era. Mitchell would understand as much as anyone how much our defensive pressure and structures won us flags in 2008, 2013, 2014, and 2015, but also how we had multiple avenues to score, and how our footskills made us impossible to defend against, and also the journey we went on to get there. I think that experience he had going through the journey for the whole duration (especially given his own personal one of needing to work to even get on a list), combined with his IQ and determination (and Clarko like ruthlessness to succeed) make him as good an option to takeover from Clarko that we could ask for, given how enormously difficult it is to move on from the greatest coach of all time.
Have you slept yet mate?
We played on less but were smarter after the bye. Early season we were playing on way to much and turning it over. It culminated in the Adelaide shoot out game in Tassie. After that game up to the bye we went back to way to slow and then lost all confidence and form. After the bye we struck a much better balance.Our ball movement post bye was so much quicker (played on a lot more) and we took the corridor on a lot more. I am excited what we can do when Day, Bramble, Downie, Scrimshaw and Ward/Sinn? replace the likes of Howe, Phillips, Morrison and Shiels as our main outside midfield distributors (massive upgrade in pace and skill).
Does anyone think Sam will really push the way he use to kick particularly with both sides, did he do anything unique at box hill with kicking?
Not sure why someone would laugh at this. Shane Ellen had never played full forward in his life until the1997 gf. Good coaching, a hunch or good luck? You get lucky sometimes. 5 in a gf? If Modra had not been injured never would have happened.I’m still not sure moving Nash into middle was some smart calculated move by Sam or just a bit of dumb luck at BH where there’s a bit more flexibility (ie let’s chuck Nash in middle for a quarter as we are down a mid). If I recall he was playing as wing/hff for first half of bhh season.
I watched 5 or 6 Box hill matches, a few of them a couple of times over (looking for certain players) and I can't say I noticed anything revolutionary - just tough, contested football and relatively direct, swift ball movement to leading forwards. When we got on top, as we did in most matches, it was great to watch.
Great post, yer I’m really keen to see how the key forwards develop. Kozzi and callow sound like extremely hard workers that will no doubt rub off and Jeka and Lewis. All have the tools so it will be exciting to see them develop and through nothing else but competition for game day spots they will all get better. Jekas kicking gets me going…I watched 5 or 6 Box hill matches, a few of them a couple of times over (looking for certain players) and I can't say I noticed anything revolutionary - just tough, contested football and relatively direct, swift ball movement to leading forwards. When we got on top, as we did in most matches, it was great to watch.
He did have a little dig at Connor Downie for not using his right foot ... and if anyone would know a thing or two about which kicks to bite off and which kicks to put in the locker, you'd think it'd be Sam. So maybe we will see some new trend around our kicking?? Something to look out for.
I get the feeling Sam is a bit like Clarko in that he doesn't have an absolute blue-print - the game plan will evolve from the personnel and certain non-negotiables (around the contested ball, running patterns, defensive set-ups and the like). The fact that we have recruited some quick, skilled young players makes it almost certain we'll be a more dangerous transition team (a trend that I think was already emerging under Clarko).
Based on Sam's time at Box Hill, what I'm expecting to see next year is
... big demands on toughness at the contest - with the acid on the younger, outside types as much as the inside guys (I suspect any player who is iffy at the contest will get it between the eyes). I think both Connor and Finn have been pushed by Sam to improve their contested footy, and both visibly improved in this area. For this reason I am more bullish about their future than some BF posters (Then again, they're two of my favourites and I am as biased as F*ck).
Based on Box Hill, what I'm hoping to see next year is
... key forwards (in fact, forwards in general) constantly looking to create clear contests for one another, and looking to get separation from their marker. This has also improved this year in the seniors, after being pretty dire in the previous couple of years. I have a sneaky feeling (again, probably just bias) that Jeka might be a favourite of Sam's, and the key to his forward line in a year or 2.
Great observations. I think Sam values the tough competitiveness in the midfield, which is why he pushed for Nash and Newcombe into the senior midfield.I watched 5 or 6 Box hill matches, a few of them a couple of times over (looking for certain players) and I can't say I noticed anything revolutionary - just tough, contested football and relatively direct, swift ball movement to leading forwards. When we got on top, as we did in most matches, it was great to watch.
He did have a little dig at Connor Downie for not using his right foot ... and if anyone would know a thing or two about which kicks to bite off and which kicks to put in the locker, you'd think it'd be Sam. So maybe we will see some new trend around our kicking?? Something to look out for.
I get the feeling Sam is a bit like Clarko in that he doesn't have an absolute blue-print - the game plan will evolve from the personnel and certain non-negotiables (around the contested ball, running patterns, defensive set-ups and the like). The fact that we have recruited some quick, skilled young players makes it almost certain we'll be a more dangerous transition team (a trend that I think was already emerging under Clarko).
Based on Sam's time at Box Hill, what I'm expecting to see next year is
... big demands on toughness at the contest - with the acid on the younger, outside types as much as the inside guys (I suspect any player who is iffy at the contest will get it between the eyes). I think both Connor and Finn have been pushed by Sam to improve their contested footy, and both visibly improved in this area. For this reason I am more bullish about their future than some BF posters (Then again, they're two of my favourites and I am as biased as F*ck).
Based on Box Hill, what I'm hoping to see next year is
... key forwards (in fact, forwards in general) constantly looking to create clear contests for one another, and looking to get separation from their marker. This has also improved this year in the seniors, after being pretty dire in the previous couple of years. I have a sneaky feeling (again, probably just bias) that Jeka might be a favourite of Sam's, and the key to his forward line in a year or 2.
I think Sam values the tough competitiveness in the midfield, which is why he pushed for Nash and Newcombe into the senior midfield.
And I don’t think he likes trading out a mid at the stoppages for the extra in defence.
I think we gave up to many easy clearances at stoppages over the past couple of years because we had our mids trying to play frantic pressure footy while being one short and often getting drawn too close to the contest and getting burnt on the outside. I’m confident sam will fix that problem for us.
Also Clarko was burnt out, he needs a rest. An could return to the AFL sharper than ever in 2023.
Great observations. I think Sam values the tough competitiveness in the midfield, which is why he pushed for Nash and Newcombe into the senior midfield.
And I don’t think he likes trading out a mid at the stoppages for the extra in defence.
I think we gave up to many easy clearances at stoppages over the past couple of years because we had our mids trying to play frantic pressure footy while being one short and often getting drawn too close to the contest and getting burnt on the outside. I’m confident sam will fix that problem for us.
That's really not your cleverest post, Pess.‘is there an alternate reality where Clarko could have been refreshed in place? You get the feeling this wasn’t explored for several 8cough8jeff8 reasons
Yeah the acquisitions of Harvey, hale and hickmont give us the power of HHHExperienced assistant coaches will be able to teach and implement the tactics + game plan Sam wants.
I expect significant improvement next season.
Harvey looks like he’s thinking “Premierships, what’s a Premiership?”
Really interesting comment from Chad. "We're going to challenge each other, and Sammy's going to be huge on that, bringing that competitive instinct back into the club and its only going to drive us forward".
Did we not have it?