Player Watch Sam Walsh is ranked 16th in the AFL for turnovers when under no pressure

[blue_trinity]

Marc Murphy clone.

Looks like it to me. Very solid player, will have a good long career, poll votes annually, unlikely to win a brownlow or have a season like martin or dangerfield a couple of years back. Nothing wrong with that like I said he's already a very good player. But he lacks "x factor". Standard top end footballer though.

You mean Marc Murphy the all Australian, AFLPA winning Marc Murphy?

I think people have forgotten just how good he was before he was ruined by injury.

You people are truly pathetic.

 

[atlaser]

You mean Marc Murphy the all Australian, AFLPA winning Marc Murphy?

I think people have forgotten just how good he was before he was ruined by injury.

You people are truly pathetic.

Maybe open your other eye when reading something Carlton related that isn't totally uncritical. Did you miss "top end footballer" "very good player" "polls votes" "good long career". Clown.

 

[Sector 7G]

If it were me I'd be giving him some different things to do. Maybe go back to the VFL and dominate an inside midfield game against VFL opponents. Play some half back and half forward in the AFL side. Try a first half forward/on ball before a second half back on the wing.

Running all day + decreasing kicking penetration has me worried about the chance of OP.

Why would you send Walsh to the VFL to play and dominate as an inside mid when he did that against Brisbane 2 weeks ago (32 and 6 clearances)? Would be a total waste of his time.

While not a penetrating kick his kicking against Brisbane was outstanding. Hit 3 targets inside 50 and most our his other kicks were marked. Not seeing any decreasing penetration.

 

[Jakksynn]

Can we all just appreciate how good last years draft class was? And the hyped players like Luko, Rankine and Max King haven’t even fired a shot yet.

 

[blue_trinity]

J

Maybe open your other eye when reading something Carlton related that isn't totally uncritical. Did you miss "top end footballer" "very good player" "polls votes" "good long career". Clown.

Just a quick list of players who were “very solid”, had “good long careers” and lacked “x factor” and yet ‘somehow’ managed to win a Brownlow despite such great odds, just FYI

- Tom Mitchell
- Matt Priddis
- Sam Mitchell
- Trent Cotchin
- Dane Swan
- Ben Cousins

Don’t need to tell you though, you know, because you’ve watching footy with both eyes open for so long ey “clown”

 

[Nuwanda]

The title is a direct quote from the article and it is true that Walsh is ranked as the 16th worst player in the league for turnovers when under no pressure. Stack and Rozee are much more efficient and perhaps more valuable.

What I’m shocked about is that a Richmond supporter actually the OP!

 

[lifesaver]

Well i am.happy to play the longer game to judge the last draft. Very happy with Bailey Smith who i think is slipping under the radar for a guy who had no preseason

 

[Del191229]

Looks a solid player but doesn't have any star qualities. Good runner , good accumulator, but he isn't explosive and kicking lacks penetration . Smith and rozee are the stars of this draft with stack just behind atm.

Tarryn Thomas my friend, Tarryn Thomas.

Carlton fans go ballistic if you say Walsh will be like Marc Murphy.

As you say, Smith and Rozee offer more, and Stack is in a different class too.

 

[branedotorg]

Well i am.happy to play the longer game to judge the last draft. Very happy with Bailey Smith who i think is slipping under the radar for a guy who had no preseason

looking very tidy indeed - apart from the haircut.

 

[The Edukator]

Anyone care to see how the others compare..?

 

[master bate]

watch that whole thing and tell me again how hes a slow decision maker and always takes the safe option

1. 50cm handball
2. excellent popped up kick inside 50, although was in the direction he won the ball in
3. easy spot up kick to Kreuzer in a mountain of space
4. easy lateral switch
5. 50cm handball
6. 40m kick to the boundary
7. 50cm handball
8. kick out of a tackle to avoid htb
9. easy long lateral switch
10. slow boundary chip
11. easy backwards handball for the clearance
12. 15m boundary chip when he's running clear from the stoppage
13. backwards lateral switch
14. Uses his legs, drives out of trouble and hits up McGovern
15. lovely weighted kick to Curnow
16. slow hoof that didn't make the distance to Kreuzer

From there on he starts finding a bit more space and hitting up targets that aren't just the open man on the boundary or a switch.

Given some of the disposals weren't shown I'm guessing they weren't good and so something like 3 of his first 20 touches were damaging. Accumulating and taking the smart option - like some of these switches - isn't a bad thing. And some of his inside work was very strong as well, so once he goes inside more he'll get to do that more.

I'm not trying to be critical of the kid in terms of how well he's playing. I just think bad clubs fall in to this habit of thinking rolling out a gun kid and having him play really well and run his body in to the ground is development.

Melbourne did it to Jesse Hogan, who had a heap of marks and 2 goals a game in his first year and was a super player from the get go but wasn't really taught (or didn't listen) to add layers to his game.

Walsh has had 1 bounce for the whole season. This is an athletic young kid who should be running with the ball and taking the game on.

I'd be using him in roles that show and develop more of his talent rather than just showing off his excellent ability to accumulate.

 

[Wind Guard]

Mr Walsh has racked up a total number of games at senior elite level of 13.
One would have hoped that any deficiencies Mr Walsh had in his game would have been ironed out by now.
What in the Hell is Teague up to?

 

[Wind Guard]

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Anyone care to see how the others compare..?

You can cite all the number 1 stats you want Mr Edukator but do you seriously believe that the good folk of the Big Footy community wouldn't notice Mr Walsh's double 5th ranking in "intercepts" and "tackles"?
What kind of stunt are you pulling here?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

1. 50cm handball
2. excellent popped up kick inside 50, although was in the direction he won the ball in
3. easy spot up kick to Kreuzer in a mountain of space
4. easy lateral switch
5. 50cm handball
6. 40m kick to the boundary
7. 50cm handball
8. kick out of a tackle to avoid htb
9. easy long lateral switch
10. slow boundary chip
11. easy backwards handball for the clearance
12. 15m boundary chip when he's running clear from the stoppage
13. backwards lateral switch
14. Uses his legs, drives out of trouble and hits up McGovern
15. lovely weighted kick to Curnow
16. slow hoof that didn't make the distance to Kreuzer

From there on he starts finding a bit more space and hitting up targets that aren't just the open man on the boundary or a switch.

Given some of the disposals weren't shown I'm guessing they weren't good and so something like 3 of his first 20 touches were damaging. Accumulating and taking the smart option - like some of these switches - isn't a bad thing. And some of his inside work was very strong as well, so once he goes inside more he'll get to do that more.

I'm not trying to be critical of the kid in terms of how well he's playing. I just think bad clubs fall in to this habit of thinking rolling out a gun kid and having him play really well and run his body in to the ground is development.

Melbourne did it to Jesse Hogan, who had a heap of marks and 2 goals a game in his first year and was a super player from the get go but wasn't really taught (or didn't listen) to add layers to his game.

Walsh has had 1 bounce for the whole season. This is an athletic young kid who should be running with the ball and taking the game on.

I'd be using him in roles that show and develop more of his talent rather than just showing off his excellent ability to accumulate.

So once again... what evidence is there that hes a 'slow decision maker' and 'always takes the safe option'? he very evidently is an incredible decision maker and fast at that, and he makes a few damaging kicks every game... as far as I remember no player comes in and takes the riskiest option every time in their first years, because they are still adjusting to AFL level and being in a system... completely unrealistic expectations for an 18 year old, no other player is held to the same standards as that. Every sign points to Walsh being a superstar midfielder, people seem unhappy that an 18 year old isnt performing like Dusty in 2017 giving stiff arms and being 1 on 1 in forward 50 kicking 4 goals a game 'being damaging'. Baffling.

 

[Wind Guard]

What do you think of Jordan De Goey as a player after about 80 games?
His debut was in 2015 - remember his first 13 games?

 

[Juddernaut08]

IMO there should be an exception for state league players who come into AFL as mature-agers.

I.e. if they haven't been on an AFL list before.

Would've been great to see Kelly win it last year.

 

[ferrisb]

IMO there should be an exception for state league players who come into AFL as mature-agers.

I.e. if they haven't been on an AFL list before.

Would've been great to see Kelly win it last year.

Nah, I like it restricted to kids.

Happy for there to be a separate 'Best First Year Player' award that includes mature-agers.

But I think it's unfair to compare a 18-20yo to some physically mature and experienced state player.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Nah, I like it restricted to kids.

Happy for there to be a separate 'Best First Year Player' award that includes mature-agers.

But I think it's unfair to compare a 18-20yo to some physically mature and experienced state player.

No you!

 

[Triniboy]

16th out of 702.

 

[ferrisb]

16th out of 702.

Ahhh......that's not helping, Trini....

 

[master bate]

So once again... what evidence is there that hes a 'slow decision maker' and 'always takes the safe option'? he very evidently is an incredible decision maker and fast at that, and he makes a few damaging kicks every game... as far as I remember no player comes in and takes the riskiest option every time in their first years, because they are still adjusting to AFL level and being in a system... completely unrealistic expectations for an 18 year old, no other player is held to the same standards as that. Every sign points to Walsh being a superstar midfielder, people seem unhappy that an 18 year old isnt performing like Dusty in 2017 giving stiff arms and being 1 on 1 in forward 50 kicking 4 goals a game 'being damaging'. Baffling.

Almost every time he gets the ball he goes back behind the mark and kicks to space or looks wide or backwards. Mostly in the video you posted he's moving it on quickly but there's other games where he's held play up and if he's constantly going back over the mark that alone is safe and slow. There's plenty of 18 year olds who come in and take the game on, watch Bailey Smith or Rozee - who's done the whole kick 4 goals thing.

He's had a great year, he'll almost certainly win the rising star and at a minimum he's probably a better version of Andrew Gaff for his career. I'd just be trying to develop as many skills in to him as possible now because he clearly has a great ability to follow instructions and improve.

 

[cfc4life]

Almost every time he gets the ball he goes back behind the mark and kicks to space or looks wide or backwards. Mostly in the video you posted he's moving it on quickly but there's other games where he's held play up and if he's constantly going back over the mark that alone is safe and slow. There's plenty of 18 year olds who come in and take the game on, watch Bailey Smith or Rozee - who's done the whole kick 4 goals thing.

He's had a great year, he'll almost certainly win the rising star and at a minimum he's probably a better version of Andrew Gaff for his career. I'd just be trying to develop as many skills in to him as possible now because he clearly has a great ability to follow instructions and improve.

Leading the first year players in clearances, 3rd in metres gained, 3rd in inside 50s. Those stats indicate he isn't taking the safe option. Not sure why you want to try so hard to discredit him.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Almost every time he gets the ball he goes back behind the mark and kicks to space or looks wide or backwards. Mostly in the video you posted he's moving it on quickly but there's other games where he's held play up and if he's constantly going back over the mark that alone is safe and slow. There's plenty of 18 year olds who come in and take the game on, watch Bailey Smith or Rozee - who's done the whole kick 4 goals thing.

He's had a great year, he'll almost certainly win the rising star and at a minimum he's probably a better version of Andrew Gaff for his career. I'd just be trying to develop as many skills in to him as possible now because he clearly has a great ability to follow instructions and improve.

Andrew Gaff = 2XAA wingman. Only 27 so would probably expect 1 more.

If that is his floor, that's already exceptional!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Almost every time he gets the ball he goes back behind the mark and kicks to space or looks wide or backwards. Mostly in the video you posted he's moving it on quickly but there's other games where he's held play up and if he's constantly going back over the mark that alone is safe and slow. There's plenty of 18 year olds who come in and take the game on, watch Bailey Smith or Rozee - who's done the whole kick 4 goals thing.

He's had a great year, he'll almost certainly win the rising star and at a minimum he's probably a better version of Andrew Gaff for his career. I'd just be trying to develop as many skills in to him as possible now because he clearly has a great ability to follow instructions and improve.

Literally all of Carlton go back over the mark... it was Boltons gameplan to go slow and conservative for 3 years, thats why he got the can. You are making out as if a player is set and fixed to the way he plays in his first year its laughable. If Walsh ends up 90kgs do you think he will play the same way as he does now? Look at Danger, Cripps, Fyfe, Degoey... they all transformed as players as their bodies developed because it allowed them to win contests with power rather then just ability. Walsh has shown a lot of ability to win one on one contests, win ground balls, read the play and deliver the ball and he'll only get better as he gets bigger, for all you know he will end up as an full time inside mid, saying he will end up like Gaff is just pigeon holing him based off how he's playing at close to 75kgs

 

[Juddernaut08]

Literally all of Carlton go back over the mark... it was Boltons gameplan to go slow and conservative for 3 years, thats why he got the can. You are making out as if a player is set and fixed to the way he plays in his first year its laughable. If Walsh ends up 90kgs do you think he will play the same way as he does now? Look at Danger, Cripps, Fyfe, Degoey... they all transformed as players as their bodies developed because it allowed them to win contests with power rather then just ability. Walsh has shown a lot of ability to win one on one contests, win ground balls, read the play and deliver the ball and he'll only get better as he gets bigger, for all you know he will end up as an full time inside mid, saying he will end up like Gaff is just pigeon holing him based off how he's playing at close to 75kgs

If Gaff is his floor, doesn't mean he won't be different or better than him.

Gaff is his floor, his ceiling is probably GOAT