Recommitted Sam Walsh [Signed until 2026]

[La Dispute]

Cotchin had a leg injury vs freo which forced him to change his style. Hopefully Walsh has some good injury luck

What's the adjustment been?

Cotchin's never been super quick. He had some general agility, similar I guess to Marc Murphy in his early days, but his biggest strength was his ability to run end to end and dictate play with a couple of smart decisions (again, like Murphy in his prime).

I see the emergence of Martin as more of a determining factor in Cotchin taking a step back and becoming a more peripheral player.

 

[Marcel Proust]

What's the adjustment been?

Cotchin's never been super quick. He had some general agility, similar I guess to Marc Murphy in his early days, but his biggest strength was his ability to run end to end and dictate play with a couple of smart decisions (again, like Murphy in his prime).

I see the emergence of Martin as more of a determining factor in Cotchin taking a step back and becoming a more peripheral player.

He became more inside crash and bash

Cotchin was mvp / brownlow winner at 21 years old before dusty was having as much influence.

My theory is the club stuffed up the injury like they've done often in the past.

Cotchin had many strengths prior to that injury game outside of running ability

 

[WilloTree]

Meanwhile the Eagles had 7 players receiving over 700k a year or so ago including paying Jack Darling 700k, Andrew Gaff 750k and Jeremy McGovern 1.2 million (!) pa. I can't recall a lot of critical comment on those kinds of deals.

Even more unusual is Cerra's contract has been reported as under 600k and posters are still inflating it to 750k. Other posters are still quoting Jack Martin's contract at 1 million (currently 300k), McKay at 800k (600k) or Cripps at 750k (600k). McGovern's contract also continues to be highlighted at 800k, yet he didn't make the Top 50 earners for 2020, AND his contract was frontloaded - what does that say about the accuracy of reporting on his contract? Plenty of lemmings happy to take Riccuito's word for it.

No club's cap is as heavily scrutinised and misreported on Bigfooty as the Blues despite having very few top end contracts on our books. Some we'd like to take back, but that is the case for every club in the league.

Yeah, the contract value guessing game is pretty crap. We don't know. The best we can get is to find some 'reliable' sources and hope they're right(ish).

You're spot on with Adam Cerra. The Age reported on October 7:
"Sources familiar with the contract said the Blues are paying Cerra less than $600,000 per year over the term of the deal"

The Age also mentioned in the article Zac Williams and Jack Martin:
Williams is receiving more than $800,000 per year, while Martin had a heavily front-loaded five-year deal that saw him paid close to $600,000.

Channel 7 (Glenn Valencich) reported on 25 June regarding Patrick Cripps
"Multiple reports say the new contract is worth $750,000 per year on average"

The Australian reported on 15 June Harry McKay had signed for $750,000 ($1.5m over 2 years)
Harry signed a new deal believed to worth in excess of $1.5m, adamant the low depths the club has plunged this season could be put on an upward trend by the coaching review.

The Herald Sun and Fox Sports both made comment on Mitch McGovern's contract worth $800,000 per season. On June 23 Fox Sports wrote:
"The Herald Sun earlier this month unpacked the details of the contract McGovern signed when he was traded from Adelaide in late 2018, revealing it was worth an average of $800,000 per season across the five-year deal. McGovern has been hampered by injuries during his stint at the Blues, managing just 31 games."

I can't be bothered looking up any others and I'm not making a comment either way, just trying to add some clarity to the guesswork.

 

[EBERT THE KING]

Meanwhile the Eagles had 7 players receiving over 700k a year or so ago including paying Jack Darling 700k, Andrew Gaff 750k and Jeremy McGovern 1.2 million (!) pa. I can't recall a lot of critical comment on those kinds of deals.

Even more unusual is Cerra's contract has been reported as under 600k and posters are still inflating it to 750k. Other posters are still quoting Jack Martin's contract at 1 million (currently 300k), McKay at 800k (600k) or Cripps at 750k (600k). McGovern's contract also continues to be highlighted at 800k, yet he didn't make the Top 50 earners for 2020, AND his contract was frontloaded - what does that say about the accuracy of reporting on his contract? Plenty of lemmings happy to take Riccuito's word for it.

No club's cap is as heavily scrutinised and misreported on Bigfooty as the Blues despite having very few top end contracts on our books. Some we'd like to take back, but that is the case for every club in the league.

Good effort to spin the narrative in Carltons favour lol.

You've conveniently forgotten the following:

Charlie Curnow is on 750k minimum, which was most likely back ended.
Zac Williams - 800k a year
Adam Saad - 700k a year

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Good effort to spin the narrative in Carltons favour lol.

You've conveniently forgotten the following:

Charlie Curnow is on 750k minimum, which was most likely back ended.
Zac Williams - 800k a year
Adam Saad - 700k a year

Semantics, but Adam Saad - 650k per year, it goes to show how people "round up" and exaggerate numbers for dramatic effect.

We probably have some space after we were paying Eddie and Murphy decent salaries.

Revealed: The inside story behind Adam Saad’s split with Essendon

Revealed: The inside story behind Adam Saad’s split with Essendon

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Good effort to spin the narrative in Carltons favour lol.

You've conveniently forgotten the following:

Charlie Curnow is on 750k minimum, which was most likely back ended.
Zac Williams - 800k a year
Adam Saad - 700k a year

Why would Curnows contract be back ended? We had one of the worst lists in the Afl at the time of the deal. If anything he would have been front ended to chew up the cap instead of giving it out to the Cam O'Shea's and Sam Kerridges of the world.

Would be on 500 Max these days if I were to guess.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

We are fine salary cap wise. Govs contract runs out next year. We have no one else thats going to command big dollars before then that we need to sign unless someone like paddy dow

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suddenly becomes good.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I think odds are that he'll be our captain by 2026.

If so, that could be factored in as a deterrent to him leaving (although not unheard of for a captain to walk).

Add in a decent amount of marketing and club connections.

Walsh is set at the Blues.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

How would you know? He's a free agent in 18 months time.

Weitering
Walsh
Cerra
Williams
Martin
Mcgovern
Cripps

All on big money

Who gets tipped out?

Cerra on $600-650k is not big money.
Martin is on sub $400k for the last 3 years of his contract.
McGovern will be off the books by then, or re-signed for a fraction.
Retirements, delistings and other players being recontracted (according to footywire, there's 16 coming out of contract and another 4 unconfirmed) in the mean time, will all factor into how much is available for Harry when he comes out of contract. If you think the club hasn't already made plans around that, then there's no point arguing the point.

Harry won't HAVE to move to get what he's worth. He may CHOOSE to move for whatever reasons, but there's nothing so far to indicate that he will look elsewhere.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Club has form .....guess its always gunna create discussion.

1992, 1996, 1998
Years that Hawthorn breached the cap and were fined.
Then there's the supposed Tassie bank accounts...

You know, if we want to get stuck talking about past occurrences that have nothing to do with Walsh.

 

[EBERT THE KING]

Cerra on $600-650k is not big money.
Martin is on sub $400k for the last 3 years of his contract.
McGovern will be off the books by then, or re-signed for a fraction.
Retirements, delistings and other players being recontracted (according to footywire, there's 16 coming out of contract and another 4 unconfirmed) in the mean time, will all factor into how much is available for Harry when he comes out of contract. If you think the club hasn't already made plans around that, then there's no point arguing the point.

Harry won't HAVE to move to get what he's worth. He may CHOOSE to move for whatever reasons, but there's nothing so far to indicate that he will look elsewhere.

There's no way thats true about Martin, but if you can confirm that, please do. League average is 370k. You dont move clubs if you are going to be on average salary half way through the contract.

While you are there, can you confirm Cripps, Curnow and Weiterings figures?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

There's no way thats true about Martin, but if you can confirm that, please do. League average is 370k. You dont move clubs if you are going to be on average salary half way through the contract.

While you are there, can you confirm Cripps, Curnow and Weiterings figures?

Why paying Martin $1 million in 2020 is a big win for the Blues

“Overpay him now and hopefully you can cash in after a few years."

www.sen.com.au

Also paid Martin a fair chunk in 2021.

With at a minimum of 1 million of the 3 million in his first of 5 years, and a good amount in his 2nd year, we aren't too fused about Martin eating up too much coin in his 3rd to 5th years

 

[The 747]

Why paying Martin $1 million in 2020 is a big win for the Blues

“Overpay him now and hopefully you can cash in after a few years."

www.sen.com.au

Also paid Martin a fair chunk in 2021.

With at a minimum of 1 million of the 3 million in his first of 5 years, and a good amount in his 2nd year, we aren't too fused about Martin eating up too much coin in his 3rd to 5th years

That's good for Carlton because there is a little chance he will give you more value than his salary. But as has been mentioned in this thread, every club makes bad contract decisions from time to time.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

That's good for Carlton because there is a little chance he will give you more value than his salary. But as has been mentioned in this thread, every club makes bad contract decisions from time to time.

We will see, but we have him for 3 years and he isn't taking up hardly any salary cap

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

There's no way thats true about Martin, but if you can confirm that, please do. League average is 370k. You dont move clubs if you are going to be on average salary half way through the contract.

While you are there, can you confirm Cripps, Curnow and Weiterings figures?

Your internet broken?
You do if you're getting the bulk of that money up front. I doubt players worry too much about what they're being paid each year. Just the total dollars and length.
Pretty sure it was $3m over 5 years, heavily frontloaded for the first 2. Was widely reported that he was getting around $900k-$1m a year the first 2 years, putting him in the top earners. He lost a bit of that front loading due to the COVID tax (he supposedly lost about $300k), but that makes no difference to the original figures.
Leaves approx $1m over the final 3 years. Let's say he was on $900k in first 2 years and that leaves $1.2m over 3. You can work out the rest.

No idea on the others, nor do I care (just hate it when people deliberately inflate the numbers to suit an agenda), but Cripps was said to have taken a cut from his previous salary and less than he could've got on the open market. Heard it was $750k. Can't imagine Weitering being on more than that.

Curnow signed his 4 year extension mid-2018, when he was still contracted for the following year. He was having his best year and there was no signs of the upcoming injury troubles, so it's possible he got around $800k a year. The problem with quoting all these figures is that nobody has any idea on how the contracts are weighted, unless it's reported. Most of the time the weighting isn't reported.

 

[james Dean]

Funniest thing on BigFooty is nuffies saying ‘how can they fit in the salary cap’.

I can assure you that every club has a very capable finance team and this is taken into consideration.

 

[The 747]

Funniest thing on BigFooty is nuffies saying ‘how can they fit in the salary cap’.

I can assure you that every club has a very capable finance team and this is taken into consideration.

And then there was Collingwood.....

 

[Rich01]

Semantics, but Adam Saad - 650k per year, it goes to show how people "round up" and exaggerate numbers for dramatic effect.

We probably have some space after we were paying Eddie and Murphy decent salaries.

Revealed: The inside story behind Adam Saad’s split with Essendon

Revealed: The inside story behind Adam Saad’s split with Essendon

www.foxsports.com.au

Good article.

For me the big out take there is the role he was promised to move- as an attacking half back or wing. Forget any talk of him going back to being a lockdown defender. With Williams the other attacking half back, they have this position well covered.

 

[halfback dasher]

1992, 1996, 1998
Years that Hawthorn breached the cap and were fined.
Then there's the supposed Tassie bank accounts...

You know, if we want to get stuck talking about past occurrences that have nothing to do with Walsh.

What’s ya point , I was just pointing out why there are still those who call in to question Carltons methods.
I don’t give a crap personally.
Anyone who thinks THIER club is clean is delusional.

and supposed bank accounts.........please !

 

[HereComesJuddy]

And then there was Collingwood.....

So true.

But all teams make mistakes. It's like paying 3 x first round picks for a free agent.

You win some and you lose some.

 

[The 747]

So true.

But all teams make mistakes. It's like paying 3 x first round picks for a free agent.

You win some and you lose some.

Not sure why you want to have a crack at my team. Considering the relative positions of the clubs and all....

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Not sure why you want to have a crack at my team. Considering the relative positions of the clubs and all....

It's an open board and you mentioned Collingwood in a Sam Walsh thread so why can't you take a little back?

You're a little touchy on the subject

 

[The 747]

It's an open board and you mentioned Collingwood in a Sam Walsh thread so why can't you take a little back?

You're a little touchy on the subject

No, just curious why a post about Collingwood and salary cap management (which is relevant to the discussion on Walsh by the way) prompts you - a Carlton fan - to have a crack at Geelong.

 

[La Dispute]

Not sure why you want to have a crack at my team. Considering the relative positions of the clubs and all....

You reckon bringing in an injury prone key forward on big money and trading 3x first round picks in the process is good business?

Geelong aren’t winning a flag with their current squad - that deal is going to go down as a stinker.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

No, just curious why a post about Collingwood and salary cap management (which is relevant to the discussion on Walsh by the way) prompts you - a Carlton fan - to have a crack at Geelong.

I'm not having a crack. Just you mentioned all teams make mistakes and I agreed. You named a club, I named a club.