Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

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189cm

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81kg

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6.4

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4.1

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3.3

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1.8

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220.3

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9.0

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5.5

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3.5

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1.0

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2.0

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210.0

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11.2

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6.2

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5.0

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3.8

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1.8

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219.6

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Allegedly

 

[demondavey]

That's how they tracked and found Jill Meagher

Two phones went over the bridge, one came back.

 

[adamdemons]

OK it's a choice we have to head back home, it's through the bush, really nice drive, lots of wild life. The place I'm referring to is isolated, and a place my son and I had discussed previously, so we stopped and checked it out, and it was dodgey, tracks down to the river where we found the objects. A deep section, definitely worth checking out.

Would you say it's more or less likely to be related to this case?

 

[reddog92]

Question: how did Sam’s phone ping in buninyong at 5pm? Mick said he called her phone in the morning when she didn’t return, and it was turned off which was unusual. So what’s the 5pm ping? Was it turned back on? Also.. the initial search area was so darn close to where he was arrested in scotchman’s lead it’s actually crazy, he would have been shitting bricks when everyone was searching so close to home.

 

[demondavey]

This has probably been discussed but how would he be disposing of her body? The search has been extensive and thorough that they’d potentially have found something by now.

So, he has killed her in the forest. How has he got in there? Car? Surely his car would be identified as entering and exiting the forest. We never heard that early on in the case. No cars were mentioned as being of interest. Surely he has killed her after some altercation and put her in his car and moved her somewhere else?

It’s all very calculated.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

That depends if we the public know everything that Vicpol are looking for, not the hidden piece of evidence they don't let out so as to reduce the number of leads. In that case a definite maybe, it may be the missing piece of the jigsaw. Just as it may be completely irrelevant. I don't pretend to know, but the site is definitely worth a look...

 

[Percel]

My Apple Watch also detects loud sounds over a certain decibel - I think 80?

Possibly screaming, arguing, screeching tyres would appear in health data.

Mines on 90 for three (3) minutes, good shout.

 

[Percel]

A military friend was explaining to me its uses in relation to forecasting military movements. Haven’t heard about it being used in law enforcement, but could imagine it is at least being looked into.

We use an ibm product, you feed it, it tells you “stuff”, and that’s been going for 15 years +, maturing over time.

 

[adamdemons]

That depends if we the public know everything that Vicpol are looking for, not the hidden piece of evidence they don't let out so as to reduce the number of leads. In that case a definite maybe, it may be the missing piece of the jigsaw. Just as it may be completely irrelevant. I don't pretend to know, but the site is definitely worth a look...

I hope you've hit the jackpot

 

[DirtyLeeds]

This has probably been discussed but how would he be disposing of her body? The search has been extensive and thorough that they’d potentially have found something by now.

So, he has killed her in the forest. How has he got in there? Car? Surely his car would be identified as entering and exiting the forest. We never heard that early on in the case. No cars were mentioned as being of interest. Surely he has killed her after some altercation and put her in his car and moved her somewhere else?

It’s all very calculated.

I know that they were looking at delivery drivers, particularly Supermarket deliveries, that road is a short cut from Melbourne, via Warrenheip to get across to Sebas, via Whitehorse Road in Mount Clear. But Vicpol have ruled out a vehicle as being the 'weapon'. Plenty of vehicles use McCarthys Road, it wouldn't be unusual to see someone from Mt Clear using that road to access Melbourne for instance.

 

[demondavey]

Theories are allowed to be discussed and they are allowed to evolve and change over time. With very little information this is going to happen.

In the same vein it feels like some almost want this guy to be the Ted Bundy sicko. There are a few rumours floating around that suggest he could be that. There are also rumours of an affair, a paid hit, a second party involved.

So maybe let’s lay off criticising people for reasonable discussion. As if the police have never mucked up an arrest or murder charge before.

They don’t make mistakes with this stuff.

 

[demondavey]

I know that they were looking at delivery drivers, particularly Supermarket deliveries, that road is a short cut from Melbourne, via Warrenheip to get across to Sebas, via Whitehorse Road in Mount Clear. But Vicpol have ruled out a vehicle as being the 'weapon'. Plenty of vehicles use McCarthys Road, it wouldn't be unusual to see someone from Mt Clear using that road to access Melbourne for instance.

So if he got a car in, would it be picked up on CCTV?

 

[darrenmorgan]

I know that they were looking at delivery drivers, particularly Supermarket deliveries, that road is a short cut from Melbourne, via Warrenheip to get across to Sebas, via Whitehorse Road in Mount Clear. But Vicpol have ruled out a vehicle as being the 'weapon'. Plenty of vehicles use McCarthys Road, it wouldn't be unusual to see someone from Mt Clear using that road to access Melbourne for instance.

Yep my mum lives in mt clear I use it every time I visit from
Melbs. It’s a fairly busy road (for a bush/dirt road)

 

[demondavey]

Maybe.
But if the message is true then it does explain why his parents weren’t at court last week.
I don’t blame them. If POS has done what the message suggests, I wouldn’t support him either. I have 3 kids and if one of them did that, you would just about disown them….

What’s this message people are talking about?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

They don’t make mistakes with this stuff.

Mistakes are not common but do happen. But I would trust police in this case as I would in most other cases. They are pretty good at what they do.

That wasn’t really the whole contention of my post though.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

This has probably been discussed but how would he be disposing of her body? The search has been extensive and thorough that they’d potentially have found something by now.

So, he has killed her in the forest. How has he got in there? Car? Surely his car would be identified as entering and exiting the forest. We never heard that early on in the case. No cars were mentioned as being of interest. Surely he has killed her after some altercation and put her in his car and moved her somewhere else?

It’s all very calculated.

Mineshaft? Lots in the area.

 

[31550]

They don’t make mistakes with this stuff.

Bill Spedding says hi.

 

[Awakening]

Here’s some random screenshots of my health data from my Apple Watch.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

To my mind: incident happens on the road towards Mt Clear, even if a camera picks him up in the area there is a plausible reason he's in Mt Clear, his family. But he panics and wants to get back to Scotsburn, so he heads onto main road, turns off at Moss Ave, left into Bunny-Sebas Road, right towards Scotchman's Lead which would take him past the site I refer to, assuming the body, phone, watch are all onboard he spots a likely place on his way back to where he was staying, using the back roads.
Later that day after calming down he embarks on his 'covering the tracks scenario'. Revisits the site and dumps the items, accidently drops what we found. Heads off to another place he knows to dispose of the body, imo further down stream.
Just my uneducated opinion.

 

[jason_recliner]

A military friend was explaining to me its uses in relation to forecasting military movements. Haven’t heard about it being used in law enforcement, but could imagine it is at least being looked into.

Yes but classical computers can model movements as well. Quantum computers are still very rare and very basic - I highly doubt Ballarat police are using them.

Classical computers can do very complex multivariate analysis (calculations required to model movements to varying degrees of certainty based on disparate data).

 

[Awakening]

Wow, thanks for sharing. Don’t have an apple watch myself so didn’t know exactly how it recorded data, just what I watched on UI, so It’s good to see examples.

I believe there’s more you can do with it but this was just how mine was when I got it.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

To my mind: incident happens on the road towards Mt Clear, even if a camera picks him up in the area there is a plausible reason he's in Mt Clear, his family. But he panics and wants to get back to Scotsburn, so he heads onto main road, turns off at Moss Ave, left into Bunny-Sebas Road, right towards Scotchman's Lead which would take him past the site I refer to, assuming the body, phone, watch are all onboard he spots a likely place on his way back to where he was staying, using the back roads.
Later that day after calming down he embarks on his 'covering the tracks scenario'. Revisits the site and dumps the items, accidently drops what we found. Heads off to another place he knows to dispose of the body, imo further down stream.
Just my uneducated opinion.

accidentally drops what we found.

What 'you' found?

 

[Awakening]

accidentally drops what we found.

What 'you' found?

Op found items of interest and handed into police so is theorising. Or at least that’s how I read it.

 

[Awakening]

To my mind: incident happens on the road towards Mt Clear, even if a camera picks him up in the area there is a plausible reason he's in Mt Clear, his family. But he panics and wants to get back to Scotsburn, so he heads onto main road, turns off at Moss Ave, left into Bunny-Sebas Road, right towards Scotchman's Lead which would take him past the site I refer to, assuming the body, phone, watch are all onboard he spots a likely place on his way back to where he was staying, using the back roads.
Later that day after calming down he embarks on his 'covering the tracks scenario'. Revisits the site and dumps the items, accidently drops what we found. Heads off to another place he knows to dispose of the body, imo further down stream.
Just my uneducated opinion.

Do you know if police have searched the area?

 

[MiguelM]

Being from Ballarat it's been completely amazing at the level of interest spanning not only the state, but nation and internationally! But this has galvanised the nuff nuffs, with an unending conga line of them appearing on the tv nightly as experts and 'friends' of Sam.
I didn't know her, but know the Murphy's, and also know 'of' the Stephensons. Ultimately Ballarat is an oversized country town where everyone knows someone, and everyone has a theory.
My theory in regards to the disposal is that he's used the Yarrawee River, south of Buninyong (further south of the 'tower' ping). There are so many options and if the Scotsburn timeline fits then it stands to reason.
Plus I found a couple of suspicious things there that I passed on to VICPOL.

Like when Herman Rockefeller was missing and the police found his car near Ballan somwhere and the news interviewed a person from the Gordon store (I live in Gordon btw) and they said they saw him come into the shop and buy milk & a pie or something like that. It was later found he was already dead.

People make up sh*t all the time, esp when media are present. It is like their 15 minutes of fame.

 

[footy75]

I have not read into this case at all yet but it seems peculiarly strange that a seemingly normal 22 year old country footy kid with a girlfriend from a normal family would go out of this way to murder this lady.

unless their is some personal vendetta that we are not aware of, surely he accidentally hit her and panicked and tried to cover it up due to the remoteness.

Again I reiterate I know nothing about the specifics of the case. Just thinking out loud.