Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

17

Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[thumbs_up]

I have not read into this case at all yet but it seems peculiarly strange that a seemingly normal 22 year old country footy kid with a girlfriend from a normal family would go out of this way to murder this lady.

unless their is some personal vendetta that we are not aware of, surely he accidentally hit her and panicked and tried to cover it up due to the remoteness.

Again I reiterate I know nothing about the specifics of the case. Just thinking out loud.

A few people have suggested this. Mostly it's been argued that what you described would not constitute a murder charge.

There also seems to be this notion that people think they know what a killer will look like when the truth is that any "normal" looking person can be one.

 

[Flog111]

To my mind: incident happens on the road towards Mt Clear, even if a camera picks him up in the area there is a plausible reason he's in Mt Clear, his family. But he panics and wants to get back to Scotsburn, so he heads onto main road, turns off at Moss Ave, left into Bunny-Sebas Road, right towards Scotchman's Lead which would take him past the site I refer to, assuming the body, phone, watch are all onboard he spots a likely place on his way back to where he was staying, using the back roads.
Later that day after calming down he embarks on his 'covering the tracks scenario'. Revisits the site and dumps the items, accidently drops what we found. Heads off to another place he knows to dispose of the body, imo further down stream.
Just my uneducated opinion.

Honestly wouldn’t he drive way out. If he was going to bury someone?

 

[thumbs_up]

Honestly wouldn’t he drive way out. If he was going to bury someone?

This relates to serial killers: they typically like to hunt and bury the body in places that are familiar to them.

 

[thumbs_up]

This relates to serial killers: they typically like to hunt and bury the body in places that are familiar to them.

I was supposed to add this to my previous comment Most Serial Killers Hunt Close to Home

 

[nut]

So if he was out the night before.
Im assuming he didn’t drive his car, knowing he was going to have a big night out.
Was his car left at his parents house?
Did he stay at his parents house?
Or did someone drop him off to get his car in the morning?

or did he have an all night bender and went straight from a party to get his car at his parents house? Then drove the back roads to Scottsdale?

 

[demondavey]

Mineshaft? Lots in the area.

Haven’t they covered them? I guess there’s thousands though…

 

[Sqotty from office works]

This relates to serial killers: they typically like to hunt and bury the body in places that are familiar to them.

So behind the shelter sheds where everyone learns to smoke at St pats?

 

[thumbs_up]

So behind the shelter sheds where everyone learns to smoke at St pats?

Yes, obviously

 

[31550]

This relates to serial killers: they typically like to hunt and bury the body in places that are familiar to them.

Not just serial killers. All killers. (or in fact all criminals). I remember reading an article about this which analysed perpetrators movements after the crime.
The gist was that they tend to move in very familiar areas where they feel safe, and therefore a body or incriminating evidence is much more likely to be disposed of in a place known intimately to the killer rather than a random nearby location. There is also software which law enforcement uses which analyses a suspects' movements both before and after a crime to help pinpoint locations where they might hide out, or hide evidence.

 

[Lady O]

What a nightmare for the parents. Not where you’d want/expect the child you’ve raised to end up.

I was surprised to hear how young his parents were when they became parents.

"Stephenson followed his high school sweetheart, Whitney, from Wagga to Ballarat, where her family lived and, at 17, the couple became parents to daughter Emilie. Two years later, son Patrick arrived and, two years after that, daughter Sophie."

 

[Percel]

I was surprised to hear how young his parents were when they became parents.

"Stephenson followed his high school sweetheart, Whitney, from Wagga to Ballarat, where her family lived and, at 17, the couple became parents to daughter Emilie. Two years later, son Patrick arrived and, two years after that, daughter Sophie."

Gut wrenching stuff for the parents.


There's no rule book to how to be a parent in this situation, so tough and so sad.

 

[Awakening]

I’m very curious to know if he engaged in his normal routine, work, socialising etc.

I’ve attempted to come up with a timeline but I cannot vouch for it’s accuracy.

3/2 Reports/rumour the accused was at The Deck until 3am?

3/2 House sitting in Yendon no 2 road?

4/2 Eureka St 7am SM leaves home

4/2 Approx 7km away from SM’s home an incident is alleged to have occurred between SM and accused in Mt Clear at around 8.00am

4/2 5pm “last ping” at Buninyong tower?

5/2 Buninyong Search Area declared

21/2 Reported that Specialist units from Melbourne have been assigned to the case

6/3 Arrested at 6am at address?

7/3 Accused charged with murder

It was reported that police had him under surveillance for the fortnight prior to his arrest which imo means he was under surveillance from the 21/2 which is when police announced they had specialists coming to Ballarat to assist in the case.

I’m assuming Sunday he didn’t have to work. He is a 22 year old man who was rumoured to be house sitting with his girlfriend.

So from 8am (incident) to 5pm (phone ping) he really could have been free to go anywhere.

He could tell his parents he was with his girlfriend and his girlfriend he was with his parents.

Perhaps there was an argument with his girlfriend on the Saturday night?

And from Monday did he keep his normal schedule? We don’t know but the police will.

Please correct me on any errors or feel free to make any additions.

All of this is imo, as I do not know the facts of the case and I’m getting this timeline information from various media reports

 

[Munich]

Yikes if what I just heard is true this is one sick prick better off the streets.

I definitely believe it's the same Patrick Stephenson currently being investigated by SOCIT.

Good grief.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I was surprised to hear how young his parents were when they became parents.

"Stephenson followed his high school sweetheart, Whitney, from Wagga to Ballarat, where her family lived and, at 17, the couple became parents to daughter Emilie. Two years later, son Patrick arrived and, two years after that, daughter Sophie."

I was aware just because I remember the press about him having a high school aged child when he was drafted at 29.

It’s dangerous to make assumptions about parenting creating a monster. Wildly dysfunctional or abusive parenting certainly can, but on the surface the family seems pretty normal.

Still, trying to raise kids while you’re mentally probably one yourself probably can’t help much if the child is a problem. If he’s guilty there’s usually quite a bit in the reasons for sentencing about their upbringing so we may find out more.

 

[Lady O]

It’s dangerous to make assumptions about parenting creating a monster. Wildly dysfunctional or abusive parenting certainly can, but on the surface the family seems pretty normal.

I don't think I mentioned that parenting was the problem. However, when a person goes off the rails, it's usually either nature (DNA) or nurture. Unless he was born with a brain injury, has been exposed to traumatic experiences, or mind altering drugs at a young age, it would be hard to explain what he has been accused of.

 

[Rob R]

Lol. They'd need to have him diagnosed by a psychiatrist. Lawyers can't just make it up to suit themselves.

I am sure they know how to find a psychologist who will give the right answer for a fee.

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[Anja_Nees]

I don't think I mentioned that parenting was the problem. However, when a person goes off the rails, it's usually either nature (DNA) or nurture. Unless he was born with a brain injury, has been exposed to traumatic experiences, or mind altering drugs at a young age, it would be hard to explain what he has been accused of.

I didn’t say you did. Fair to say the thought has probably occurred to most of us - plenty of killers have issues as kids and if he was a problem when he was very young then you have to wonder how it was managed.

This is why I feel for the family. They might have done the best they could but they are under the microscope now.

 

[31550]

I’m very curious to know if he engaged in his normal routine, work, socialising etc.

I’ve attempted to come up with a timeline but I cannot vouch for it’s accuracy.

3/2 Reports/rumour the accused was at The Deck until 3am?

3/2 House sitting in Yendon no 2 road?

4/2 Eureka St 7am SM leaves home

4/2 Approx 7km away from SM’s home an incident is alleged to have occurred between SM and accused in Mt Clear at around 8.00am

4/2 5pm “last ping” at Buninyong tower?

5/2 Buninyong Search Area declared

21/2 Reported that Specialist units from Melbourne have been assigned to the case

6/3 Arrested at 6am at address?

7/3 Accused charged with murder

It was reported that police had him under surveillance for the fortnight prior to his arrest which imo means he was under surveillance from the 21/2 which is when police announced they had specialists coming to Ballarat to assist in the case.

I’m assuming Sunday he didn’t have to work. He is a 22 year old man who was rumoured to be house sitting with his girlfriend.

So from 8am (incident) to 5pm (phone ping) he really could have been free to go anywhere.

He could tell his parents he was with his girlfriend and his girlfriend he was with his parents.

Perhaps there was an argument with his girlfriend on the Saturday night?

And from Monday did he keep his normal schedule? We don’t know but the police will.

Please correct me on any errors or feel free to make any additions.

All of this is imo, as I do not know the facts of the case and I’m getting this timeline information from various media reports

I would assume he came onto the police radar via phone ping data placing him at the same location as Samantha.
If that's the case, some of his movements, before and after, may be known to police. For example, if he was out and partying the night before, he may have slept it off in Canadian. No reason to turn his phone off, so this would produce usable data (in theory).
It's also possible that a third party has come forward to police which connects POS to the crime - may have been observed acting strangely, may have said something, maybe injured or damaged clothing or vehicle,...
I believe the police must have (at least) some reliable evidence connecting him to the crime scene. How they consider to have enough to charge him with murder, I don't know, but it's possible they have some other evidence (maybe a discarded murder weapon, clothing etc.?)

 

[Munich]

They have a tape is what I'm hearing.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

I am sure they know how to find a psychologist who will give the right answer for a fee.

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

It doesn't work like that.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Yikes if what I just heard is true this is one sick prick better off the streets.

I definitely believe it's the same Patrick Stephenson currently being investigated by SOCIT.

Good grief.

How reliable is said source ? Hard to differentiate between fact and shit

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

They have a tape is what I'm hearing.

I know early on they said one of the bits of evidence that pointed them too POS was cctv , keen to see what that is.

 

[Unit45]

They have a tape is what I'm hearing.

So his phone was bugged or residence.

 

[31550]

I know early on they said one of the bits of evidence that pointed them too POS was cctv , keen to see what that is.

Who said that?

 

[Munich]

So his phone was bugged or residence.

Something was uploaded to a site and the cops have it.