Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[maggiethecat]

It was to do with this if I remember correctly. I’m on the other side of Vic and had problems with Telstra at the time due to the upgrade and then storms happened destroyed a few towers View attachment 1934284

Oops that’s power , not phones but the whole week I was having no Telstra , upgrades , towers down etc

 

[maggiethecat]

Nobody listen to me , I don’t know wtf I’m talking about

But I do remember not getting internet for a week around that time because of the change over to 5g

 

[demondavey]

 

[demondavey]

or meth.

Sounds like he is shutting his mouth

The evidence must be very good.

Bender- off face, horny sicko fetish opportunistic rape turned to murder if hit and run accident ruled out. surely.

Yep.

This is what I am leaning towards.

 

[Percel]

My feeling is that he’s got some fantasy or fetish that his girlfriend doesn’t want a bar of and that he’s r*ped before and possibly assaulted or killed before and that this was, for the most part, planned. Maybe because he got away with his first murder he got arrogant and slipped up with Samantha. I reckon he’s probably responsible for something interstate or when he was away on holiday perhaps?

And is he an International spy?

 

[demondavey]

My feeling is that he’s got some fantasy or fetish that his girlfriend doesn’t want a bar of and that he’s r*ped before and possibly assaulted or killed before and that this was, for the most part, planned. Maybe because he got away with his first murder he got arrogant and slipped up with Samantha. I reckon he’s probably responsible for something interstate or when he was away on holiday perhaps?

 

[demondavey]

And is he an International spy?

Napoleon Solo

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Apparently He can’t be questioned again, unless he gives permission .
He’s not going to be before the courts until August . Just heard on channel 7 news .
Is this true, can he do that ? Even though there is an active investigation on going

If this is true then what an absolute disgrace.
Keep drilling him until he gives up the location of the woman he murdered.

It’s up there with the lawyer wanting to suppress PS’s name when he first got arrested because he was worried he may harm himself.
Ffs please. He should have thought about that when he was murdering an innocent woman.
The legal system in this country can be a ****ing joke at times.

 

[31550]

If this is true then what an absolute disgrace.
Keep drilling him until he gives up the location of the woman he murdered.

It’s up there with the lawyer wanting to suppress PS’s name when he first got arrested because he was worried he may harm himself.
Ffs please. He should have thought about that when he was murdering an innocent woman.
The legal system in this country can be a ******* joke at times.

So "Innocent until proven guilty" is a joke?
Would you prefer to live in a country where this is not a tenet of the law?
Should police be allowed to continually question a suspect 24/7, denying them basic civil liberties until they just confess out of desperation?

Just consider for a moment that he might not be guilty. He is going to spend months in a remand centre before his version of events can even be heard. Is that justice?

The last time he was questioned by police he found himself locked up and charged with murder. Could it get any worse for him? What possible reason would he have for wanting to talk to police once they have already decided to charge him with murder?

If he is eventually proven and found guilty, then justice will be served. What does it matter if he doesn't speak now?

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

So "Innocent until proven guilty" is a joke?
Would you prefer to live in a country where this is not a tenet of the law?
Should police be allowed to continually question a suspect 24/7, denying them basic civil liberties until they just confess out of desperation?

Just consider for a moment that he might not be guilty. He is going to spend months in a remand centre before his version of events can even be heard. Is that justice?

The last time he was questioned by police he found himself locked up and charged with murder. Could it get any worse for him? What possible reason would he have for wanting to talk to police once they have already decided to charge him with murder?

If he is eventually proven and found guilty, then justice will be served. What does it matter if he doesn't speak now?

You’re absolutely right. Pos is the real victim here.
I’m sure the fact that the cops have charged him with murder without a body was just guess work until they find the real killer.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

What do we know from news reports and police?

-she was murdered on the day she went missing

• it was an intentional attack not a H&R or accident
• she was wearing a smart watch and had her phone
• she went for a jog in secluded location
• one person of interest has been identified and charged murder

Imo they have been able to track his phone with hers identifying him. Track his movements that day and following. Absent a witness who saw the attack the only way they could determine an attack resulting in death is imo using iCloud retrieval of heart rate data in iCloud perhaps from her smart watch we know she was wearing. That would also tell them that it stopped that day. The fact they can rule out H&R suggests the tracking involved his car seen on CCTV identifying locations of interest and her dead but a passenger.

There was a similar attack 12 months ago where the woman survived. Strong suspicion of sex attack

 

[jason_recliner]

What do we know from news reports and police?

-she was murdered on the day she went missing

• it was an intentional attack not a H&R or accident
• she was wearing a smart watch and had her phone
• she went for a jog in secluded location
• one person of interest has been identified and charged murder

Imo they have been able to track his phone with hers identifying him. Track his movements that day and following. Absent a witness who saw the attack the only way they could determine an attack resulting in death is imo using iCloud retrieval of heart rate data in iCloud perhaps from her smart watch we know she was wearing. That would also tell them that it stopped that day. The fact they can rule out H&R suggests the tracking involved his car seen on CCTV identifying locations of interest and her dead but a passenger.

There was a similar attack 12 months ago where the woman survived. Strong suspicion of sex attack

A watch isn't going to tell them he deliberately murdered her and how. There's more.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

A watch isn't going to tell them he deliberately murdered her and how. There's more.

It she was tracked with his phone, the heart rate stopped then tracked again in his car CCTV capture her as dead passenger then YES it is strong evidence of deadly attack by him and disposal of body. Not all they need but enough to lay charges to prevent escape

He likely has a history of sexual deviance

 

[31550]

You’re absolutely right. Pos is the real victim here.
I’m sure the fact that the cops have charged him with murder without a body was just guess work until they find the real killer.

I detect a note of sarcasm.
That's not what I am saying.
I am saying that we have a system of justice which applies to all people equally, and we cannot make random exceptions for certain people. If we throw away the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", our whole system collapses. That would not be good for any of us.

 

[31550]

It she was tracked with his phone, the heart rate stopped then tracked again in his car CCTV capture her as dead passenger then YES it is strong evidence of deadly attack by him and disposal of body. Not all they need but enough to lay charges to prevent escape

He likely has a history of sexual deviance

The police have not alleged any of that.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

And is he an International spy?

I’ve got a feeling all the answers are going to turn out to be pretty mundane.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The police have not alleged any of that.

No. They have alleged:

• she died that day
• it was an attack causing her death not a H & R
• it was intentional.
• they have used data and detailed investigative work

So.......in piecing it together there is either a witness or high use of data collection including CCTV to make conclusions to prove she died that day and at his hands. if your phone is pinged close proximity in remote location next to hers and then her heart rate stops per iCloud smart phone then she died in his presence. Can't be H &R because of location. They possibly also have propensity evidence of similar attacks.

It's called deductive reasoning.....where certain conclusions can be made based upon what has been said and what's needed to make charges

 

[Catch]

It she was tracked with his phone, the heart rate stopped then tracked again in his car CCTV capture her as dead passenger then YES it is strong evidence of deadly attack by him and disposal of body. Not all they need but enough to lay charges to prevent escape

He likely has a history of sexual deviance

Smoke screen yesterday. I think there is more happening behind the scenes and possible more involved

 

[Bostonian]

What possible reason would he have for wanting to talk to police once they have already decided to charge him with murder?

To clear his name from being a suspect to being declared a non suspect and innocent...

 

[theouthouse]

I detect a note of sarcasm.
That's not what I am saying.
I am saying that we have a system of justice which applies to all people equally, and we cannot make random exceptions for certain people. If we throw away the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", our whole system collapses. That would not be good for any of us.

There is also a system of justice where admittance of guilt voluntarily are seen more favourably then not.

Still very early days for this case though, most likely be 1-3 years before sentencing, which as time rolls on and any length of sentence looks likely, these factors may come into play.

There likely won't be any voluntary statements made till the DPP have submitted their initial brief to the court and POS.

Would he have filmed or captured any incident for himself? Or written that he killed her somewhere? Otherwise I struggle to see how this can be realistically charged as murder without any body.

 

[31550]

To clear his name from being a suspect to being declared a non suspect and innocent...

Presumably he already tried that when they interviewed him, but they charged him anyway. They are not going to withdraw the charges now for more information. In the police opinion they already have enough to charge him for murder, so why do they need any more information from him? Why should he give up his common law right to remain silent?
He will get his chance to clear his name at trial, after he has heard exactly what is alleged against him.
If the police do not make public their allegations, he cannot publicly defend them.

 

[Bostonian]

Presumably he already tried that when they interviewed him, but they charged him anyway. They are not going to withdraw the charges now for more information. In the police opinion they already have enough to charge him for murder, so why do they need any more information from him? Why should he give up his common law right to remain silent?
He will get his chance to clear his name at trial, after he has heard exactly what is alleged against him.
If the police do not make public their allegations, he cannot publicly defend them.

They charged him because they obviously had more than enough evidence to show he did it.

That's the time you talk and show you have remorse and are redeemable.

Which can lead to better outcomes for oneself when it comes to sentencing and paroles.

Say nothing and it doesn't paint a redeemable picture of the accused.

 

[DecorTable]

There is also a system of justice where admittance of guilt voluntarily are seen more favourably then not.

Still very early days for this case though, most likely be 1-3 years before sentencing, which as time rolls on and any length of sentence looks likely, these factors may come into play.

There likely won't be any voluntary statements made till the DPP have submitted their initial brief to the court and POS.

Would he have filmed or captured any incident for himself? Or written that he killed her somewhere? Otherwise I struggle to see how this can be realistically charged as murder without any body.

Take it with a grain of salt but someone in here mentioned police having a ‘tape’ of some sort.

 

[31550]

They charged him because they obviously had more than enough evidence to show he did it.

That's the time you talk and show you have remorse and are redeemable.

Which can lead to better outcomes for oneself when it comes to sentencing and paroles.

Say nothing and it doesn't paint a redeemable picture of the accused.

All conjecture and probably correct. But what is happening is 'standard procedure' in a case like this. Once the accused is charged and remanded in custody, neither the prosecution nor the defence will make any public statements which might affect their trial, and the accused is well within their rights (and will no doubt be advised by legal counsel) to remain silent on the matter until it goes to court.

There is another legal principle called sub judice which applies to both the police and the accused.

People need to get over themselves and stop making unrealistic demands of both the accused and police to 'go public' with what they know or don't know. That is simply not the way the legal system works here.

 

[Franko Armani]

Take it with a grain of salt but someone in here mentioned police having a ‘tape’ of some sort.

I’m going with this. The police were very very strong on what they believed (know) happened after his arrest. Likely they have irrefutable evidence such as video and are only need to find her body.

Although, I do keep getting a feeling that there is more to this story than meets the eye. Interesting that the police haven’t been keeping the family members updated on developments - for what reason I wonder?