Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Zing13]

Not sure if someone's already mentioned this but could the 5pm ping have been a planted ping by POS?

it's a long time between her disappearance at 8am... Possible theory: He got his shit together disposed of the body somewhere far away from the Mt Clear area and then came back turned on her phone for a ping in the wrong area? Or even accidentally turned it on on his way home before disposing of it separately to the body?

 

[Zing13]

That's the area in which Little Dirty and myself found the "odd objects", the place I told you lot about

Are you allowed to say what said "odd object " was?

All g if not comfortable though

 

[Lady O]

Not sure I understand why the 5pm ping is a problem, the phone can ping after death. I'm thinking the police have the murder as being at Mount Clear with information they've pulled from her watch ie. her heart stopped beating there and/or they found something at Mount Clear, a piece of her clothing, her ear buds or blood?

Sometimes even a text doesn't arrive for hours, so I can see a "ping" not being proof of anything in this case.

 

[31550]

Sometimes even a text doesn't arrive for hours, so I can see a "ping" not being proof of anything in this case.

Pings are not like SMS messages. When an SMS is sent, the device pings the nearby tower(s), establishes a connection, and transmits the message. All these get logged. If no towers are in range , or they cannot be pinged, the message is queued on the device until a tower is in range, and then it is transmitted., and passed to the message server. Then the message server transmits the message to the recipient by first usually sending a notification (logged), and eventually when the recipient device requests the message, the message is transmitted over the network until it is acknowledged as delivered, again, all logged. If the recipient is not online, the message server queues and tries to resend the message until it is finally sent.

A routine ping happens every few minutes between any active device registered on the network and all towers within range - could be one or more. If a tower is in range, it gets pinged, and the ping is logged. If the tower doesn't receive a signal, nothing happens. That is all. There is no queueing of failed pings on the device, and of course these never make it to the network, so they are never recorded.

 

[Flog111]

What are the possible evidence the police have against POS?

- An admission

- video of him driving in the vicinity

- his phone pinging in that area


- admitting guilt to a friend

- dents in a car

- blood in a car

Anything else that would be evidence to charge someone?

 

[Lady O]

What are the possible evidence the police have against POS?

- An admission

- video of him driving in the vicinity

- his phone pinging in that area


- admitting guilt to a friend

- dents in a car

- blood in a car

Anything else that would be evidence to charge someone?

Wasn't there also mention of a few seconds of video?

 

[31550]

Not sure I understand why the 5pm ping is a problem, the phone can ping after death. I'm thinking the police have the murder as being at Mount Clear with information they've pulled from her watch ie. her heart stopped beating there and/or they found something at Mount Clear, a piece of her clothing, her ear buds or blood?

They may have data from her watch showing a heart episode. This doesn't prove she was murdered, or even that she is dead. Her watch may have been removed from her. She may have had an accident. Her watch may have malfunctioned. Murder is just one possibility. Maybe even the most likely possibility. Unless police can prove she is dead, and that it wasn't an accident, they can't get a murder conviction.

They have not made anything else public, except the allegation that POS murdered her at Mt Clear.

Similarly the 5pm ping doesn't prove she was alive in Buninyong at 5pm. But it opens the door of possibility. Unless police can prove to the court that the phone was not in SMs possession at the time, and that it was in possession of the offender, then there is reasonable doubt that she was murdered earlier at Mt Clear.

And how can they prove any of that with no body and no witness?

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Are you allowed to say what said "odd object " was?

All g if not comfortable though

They did ask me not to tell anyone exactly about what we found, and to keep the exact site quiet. That's why I'm alluding to 'where', but you can find it on google maps, just follow the Yarrawee.
The object wasn't odd, but it was unusual in the environment in which we found it. I'm not 'Q', there are no big predictions here, but we did find something 'odd' and took it in to Ballarat PS.
Hope this answers your question Zinga

 

[mrskafoops]

My feeling is that he’s got some fantasy or fetish that his girlfriend doesn’t want a bar of and that he’s r*ped before and possibly assaulted or killed before and that this was, for the most part, planned. Maybe because he got away with his first murder he got arrogant and slipped up with Samantha. I reckon he’s probably responsible for something interstate or when he was away on holiday perhaps?

 

[Kurve]

They may have data from her watch showing a heart episode. This doesn't prove she was murdered, or even that she is dead. Her watch may have been removed from her. She may have had an accident. Her watch may have malfunctioned. Murder is just one possibility. Maybe even the most likely possibility. Unless police can prove she is dead, and that it wasn't an accident, they can't get a murder conviction.

They have not made anything else public, except the allegation that POS murdered her at Mt Clear.

Similarly the 5pm ping doesn't prove she was alive in Buninyong at 5pm. But it opens the door of possibility. Unless police can prove to the court that the phone was not in SMs possession at the time, and that it was in possession of the offender, then there is reasonable doubt that she was murdered earlier at Mt Clear.

And how can they prove any of that with no body and no witness?

I might go with trail cams for now with the possibility that PO put them in and he could watch remotely. That's how he knew who was out jogging on that track because at this stage, it doesn't seem random.

Just a theory.

 

[hathound]

...

A routine ping happens every few minutes between any active device registered on the network and all towers within range - could be one or more. If a tower is in range, it gets pinged, and the ping is logged. If the tower doesn't receive a signal, nothing happens. That is all. There is no queueing of failed pings on the device, and of course these never make it to the network, so they are never recorded.

I think this routing ping aligns with my post if you can confirm a ping does not solicit a response back from the cell tower. If it is just a ping, (i.e no active communication attempt from the mobile phone other than the routine ping), then there is no way for the cell tower / nodeB to obtain the "round trip time" to determine the distance from the tower to the mobile phone.

Mobile technology was not my network engineering specialty, so maybe you could confirm this?

 

[demondavey]

From memory, in the last presser, the cop was asked if it was a hit and run and he quite plainly stated "no."

edit: Yep, memory serves well. Now if only I could remember what the missus asked me to do 5 minutes ago....

sorry, what did you say?

 

[Zing13]

They did ask me not to tell anyone exactly about what we found, and to keep the exact site quiet. That's why I'm alluding to 'where', but you can find it on google maps, just follow the Yarrawee.
The object wasn't odd, but it was unusual in the environment in which we found it. I'm not 'Q', there are no big predictions here, but we did find something 'odd' and took it in to Ballarat PS.
Hope this answers your question Zinga

Yep Thanks for replying

 

[Jimmybob]

sorry, what did you say?

 

[31550]

I think this routing ping aligns with my post if you can conform the ping does not solicit a response back from the cell tower. If it is just a ping, (i.e no active communication attempt from the mobile phone other than the routine ping), then there is no way for the cell tower / nodeB to obtain the "round trip time" to determine the distance from the tower to the mobile phone.

Mobile technology was not my network engineering specialty, so maybe you could confirm this?

Im no expert either. There is no round trip time recorded as far as I know. It's a one way thing. I do believe frequency (band) and signal strength are logged however, which might give an indication of distance from tower. At a minimum, a range of distance from the tower can be estimated and if a device pings multiple towers then triangulation can be used to locate the device.

 

[Zing13]

My feeling is that he’s got some fantasy or fetish that his girlfriend doesn’t want a bar of and that he’s r*ped before and possibly assaulted or killed before and that this was, for the most part, planned. Maybe because he got away with his first murder he got arrogant and slipped up with Samantha. I reckon he’s probably responsible for something interstate or when he was away on holiday perhaps?

Do you have an interstate incident in mind?

 

[shorsky]

Would they have dogs who can locate remains?? I feel like that would be useful in such dense bush and also it being such a large area

Report I read said they had Cadaver dogs & a host of other areas of the force involved in the search

 

[shorsky]

The 'final ping' thing still seems incongruous with any of the theories going round.

If SM's body was deliberately moved and hidden, then it seems likely her phone would have been turned off or destroyed at Mt Clear. It did not 'keep pinging', or it would have revealed the path taken by the killer with her body, at least initially. The killer is aware enough of the situation to do this, yet they allow one 'final ping' from another location hours later?

Maybe the techos can answer this, but if a phone is switched off and then, say, tossed into a dam or body of water, could the water penetrate the phone and make it 'turn on' long enough to ping a nearby tower?

I don’t think it’ll ping, or survive the water treatment.

However I’ve wondered about her watch & asked previously if any Apple Watch experts know: if she no longer had her phone, but had her watch on, when with PS, would it connect to his ‘cellular’ automatically?
Would it Ping ?

 

[mrskafoops]

If reports are true and he was on a bender and had only left venues around 3-4 am I find it staggering to believe someone could be functioning well enough to pull off a premeditated murder and be in decent enough shape to not leave any evidence behind or clean up any potential evidence so I can see why people have theories about it being a hit and run but in my opinion would have had to have had help cleaning up/moving or hiding disposing of the body.

If he was on cocaine I reckon he could.

 

[shorsky]

If a tower was bouncing signals from multitudes of devices, which maybe somewhat unknown numbers a last signal may not be received until sometime later. Or a dropout in signal but partly has enough packet information to transmit the recalled device later on which shows up in the logs.

Uummm - not really computing this - But - it was said by Samantha’s Uncle Allan that a lot of Towers were not working that day.

I don’t know why. Are you a Telco ? Would they take a lot of towers down at the same time ?

 

[shorsky]

Is there a reason to treat the final ping with any more seriousness than the hit-and-run theory?

What if the suspect didn’t do it?

We have been told there was a final ping, so that’s worthy of investigation.

Police have categorically stated it was not a hit-and-run so not a topic for investigation

 

[shorsky]

Apparently He can’t be questioned again, unless he gives permission .
He’s not going to be before the courts until August . Just heard on channel 7 news .
Is this true, can he do that ? Even though there is an active investigation on going

Thats what Charlie Bezzina said on Ch 7 ( it’s not like the old days !)

They also said the additional information that led to todays search came from phone tower data & information for PS associates I’m pretty sure

 

[Angus Young]

If he was on cocaine I reckon he could.

or meth.

Sounds like he is shutting his mouth

The evidence must be very good.

Bender- off face, horny sicko fetish opportunistic rape turned to murder if hit and run accident ruled out. surely.

 

[mrskafoops]

Do you have an interstate incident in mind?

No.

 

[maggiethecat]

Uummm - not really computing this - But - it was said by Samantha’s Uncle Allan that a lot of Towers were not working that day.

I don’t know why. Are you a Telco ? Would they take a lot of towers down at the same time ?

It was to do with this if I remember correctly. I’m on the other side of Vic and had problems with Telstra at the time due to the upgrade and then storms happened destroyed a few towers