Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

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Allegedly

 

[Bostonian]

I’m going with this. The police were very very strong on what they believed (know) happened after his arrest. Likely they have irrefutable evidence such as video and are only need to find her body.

Although, I do keep getting a feeling that there is more to this story than meets the eye. Interesting that the police haven’t been keeping the family members updated on developments - for what reason I wonder?

Maybe they think the family is too comfortable talking to the media so couldn't trust them not to let key details out before they had a chance to act upon them.

 

[31550]

Take it with a grain of salt but someone in here mentioned police having a ‘tape’ of some sort.

It was Munich in post #3119. No details provided. He claimed to have 'heard it' somewhere.

I didn't think 'tape' was a thing any more - don't we record audio and video to hard disk or SD card now?

 

[DecorTable]

I don’t think he meant it so literally, I’d imagine ‘tape’ in this context means a recording of some sort

 

[jason_recliner]

Interesting that the police haven’t been keeping the family members updated on developments - for what reason I wonder?

How do you know the police aren't keeping the family updated?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Lol
I swore off this thread, was coming back on to share some local updates, but I see it's been high-jacked by:

• repeat references to POS on a bender the 'night before (until 3-4am)', when it's been categorically clarified the footage of him on a bender was from JANUARY, and no evidence of his activities on 3rd Feb
• allegations he's some sort of serial offender with possible interstate incidents based on nothing!
• the usual poster who repeatedly fouls up Crime threads with inane interpretations and walls of words making an appearance

I'll leave the tin foil hat brigade to it, and for those in the majority trying to post in good faith, good luck wading through all the BS.

 

[Couch Coach]

After failing to find Samantha Murphy, police turn to new tactics

Intelligence from multiple sources led police to narrow the search for Samantha Murphy's body to a reserve near Ballarat but it was called off within hours.

www.sbs.com.au

"We will be going to a different location, but we will also use assistance from the Australian Federal Police today and technical detection dogs," Patton told ABC Radio.

“We still haven’t recovered her phone and her watch. We’ll use all those specialist skills.”

 

[DecorTable]

Lol
I swore off this thread, was coming back on to share some local updates, but I see it's been high-jacked by:

• repeat references to POS on a bender the 'night before (until 3-4am)', when it's been categorically clarified the footage of him on a bender was from JANUARY, and no evidence of his activities on 3rd Feb
• allegations he's some sort of serial offender with possible interstate incidents based on nothing!
• the usual poster who repeatedly fouls up Crime threads with inane interpretations and walls of words making an appearance

I'll leave the tin foil hat brigade to it, and for those in the majority trying to post in good faith, good luck wading through all the BS.

For what it’s worth if you have legit local updates I’m sure plenty of us would love to hear them

 

[Couch Coach]

Interesting that the article I posted above notes "Wednesday's efforts focused on Sandys Hill Road". I thought they were looking at Buninyong Bushland Reserve which is off Webbs Hill Road?

 

[Percel]

I’ve got a feeling all the answers are going to turn out to be pretty mundane.

Totally agree

 

[Percel]

Lol
I swore off this thread, was coming back on to share some local updates, but I see it's been high-jacked by:

• repeat references to POS on a bender the 'night before (until 3-4am)', when it's been categorically clarified the footage of him on a bender was from JANUARY, and no evidence of his activities on 3rd Feb
• allegations he's some sort of serial offender with possible interstate incidents based on nothing!
• the usual poster who repeatedly fouls up Crime threads with inane interpretations and walls of words making an appearance

I'll leave the tin foil hat brigade to it, and for those in the majority trying to post in good faith, good luck wading through all the BS.

we're still trying to account for your whereabouts?

And where is your camo outfit and bike stored....

 

[Franko Armani]

Well, somehow, without a confession from POS they seem to know exactly what has occurred and aren’t publicly asking for any more information bar where her body is. Points to having visual evidence I think.

 

[Franko Armani]

How do you know the police aren't keeping the family updated?

Article this morning with a statement from Samantha’s father saying that neither themselves nor husband Mick have been or are being updated on developments by the police.

 

[BFew]

Is the first time they have used tech detection dogs in the search, or just the first time that the use of them has been publicised?

Detection dogs to lead search for Samantha Murphy's body

www.9news.com.au

'Technology detection dogs to lead search for Victorian mother Samantha Murphy's body'​

'11:12am Mar 21, 2024
...
The dogs will assist detectives in the search but police have not specified the location of today's "operational activity".
...
Searchers, including specialists from the mounted police, cadaver dogs, and the search and rescue squad, among others, were all involved in the search through Buninyong Bushland Reserve. [YESTERDAY]

9News understands 22-year-old Patrick Stephenson, who was charged with Murphy's alleged murder, is not cooperating with police, with the police's new intelligence unlikely to have come from him.
...'

 

[Aussie Assault]

Well, somehow, without a confession from POS they seem to know exactly what has occurred and aren’t publicly asking for any more information bar where her body is. Points to having visual evidence I think.

I tend to agree. It'd be weird for him to confess and then go silent on the body location. So assuming he isn't talking or confessing, and without a body, the police seemed pretty adamant on the charge and deliberate act. I don't see what other evidence there could be without something like that'd make them so sure of both her being deceased and POS being the alleged killer.

 

[Unit45]

I tend to agree. It'd be weird for him to confess and then go silent on the body location. So assuming he isn't talking or confessing, and without a body, the police seemed pretty adamant on the charge and deliberate act. I don't see what other evidence there could be without something like that'd make them so sure of both her being deceased and POS being the alleged killer.

This may be why the accused solicitor parted ways under the guise of not enough expireince handling similar cases?

 

[faible]

• the usual poster who repeatedly fouls up Crime threads with inane interpretations and walls of words making an appearance

Ah I was just thinking the exact same thing

 

[Irma]

How do you know the police aren't keeping the family updated?

“Samantha Murphy's husband Mick scours bushland alone in hope of finding the police search site - as missing jogger's family reveal how they have been left in the dark by cops”

I know clickbait is real, but the headline here is just so bloody sad.. can’t even imagine being in Micks shoes right now, or through any of it really.

Samantha Murphy's husband scours bush alone after being kept in dark

The husband of missing mother-of-three Samantha Murphy drove through bushland looking for the search site of his dead wife amid claims he and his family have been cut-off by police.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MiguelM]

Wonder if the accused went back and forth to this location

So "Innocent until proven guilty" is a joke?
Would you prefer to live in a country where this is not a tenet of the law?
Should police be allowed to continually question a suspect 24/7, denying them basic civil liberties until they just confess out of desperation?

Just consider for a moment that he might not be guilty. He is going to spend months in a remand centre before his version of events can even be heard. Is that justice?

The last time he was questioned by police he found himself locked up and charged with murder. Could it get any worse for him? What possible reason would he have for wanting to talk to police once they have already decided to charge him with murder?

If he is eventually proven and found guilty, then justice will be served. What does it matter if he doesn't speak now?

Agree, innocent til proven guilty is a backbone of our legal system and must always be. People need to be careful what they wish for. Don't want a Russian system for example.

Thing is, being remanded for so long would surely bring out a different approach if one was completely innocent? For me, I would be proactive with investigators or lawyers in protesting my innocence and cooperating completely.

 

[mrskafoops]

I haven't read the recent posts here, so apologies if you guys are already on this but a quote from a news article today says "“We still haven’t recovered her phone and her watch".

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/samantha-murphy-search-police-using-sniffer-dogs-to-find-sim-card/news-story/f8a69f347b30e60cb09ff6e244d9f8a3

 

[31550]

Article this morning with a statement from Samantha’s father saying that neither themselves nor husband Mick have been or are being updated on developments by the police.

With due respect, Sam's father has been somewhat of a loose cannon.
Mick was previously receiving daily updates, but perhaps after 5 weeks there is nothing more police can tell him that is relevant and pertinent without being sub judice?
They are not obliged to give Mick or anyone else a running commentary on the case, and I doubt that it is standard police practice to do so in such cases. They will tell him what he needs to know and is entitled to know as long as it does not impede their progress on the case.

 

[Kurve]

Is the first time they have used tech detection dogs in the search, or just the first time that the use of them has been publicised?

Detection dogs to lead search for Samantha Murphy's body

www.9news.com.au

'Technology detection dogs to lead search for Victorian mother Samantha Murphy's body'​

'11:12am Mar 21, 2024
...
The dogs will assist detectives in the search but police have not specified the location of today's "operational activity".
...
Searchers, including specialists from the mounted police, cadaver dogs, and the search and rescue squad, among others, were all involved in the search through Buninyong Bushland Reserve. [YESTERDAY]

9News understands 22-year-old Patrick Stephenson, who was charged with Murphy's alleged murder, is not cooperating with police, with the police's new intelligence unlikely to have come from him.
...'

Pretty sure I read somewhere else that tech detection dogs had been used before, finding what I gathered were so far, unrelated items like sims.

I thought at the time 'okay but what were the track and trail dogs doing?'

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Smoke screen yesterday. I think there is more happening behind the scenes and possible more involved

Why would yesterdays search be a smoke screen?

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

With due respect, Sam's father has been somewhat of a loose cannon.

What on earth do you expect? His daughter has been murdered and her body is missing.
Surely under the circumstances you would be a “loose cannon” as well….

 

[31550]

What on earth do you expect? His daughter has been murdered and her body is missing.
Surely under the circumstances you would be a “loose cannon” as well….

Of course, which is why the police would not be feeding him extraneous cannon fodder. It might compromise their investigation.

 

[Kurve]

What on earth do you expect? His daughter has been murdered and her body is missing.
Surely under the circumstances you would be a “loose cannon” as well….

Best not to talk to the press unless it's approved by the cops. Every presser is tightly controlled with the knowledge that the offender is watching.

Of course it's understandable that Samantha's dad is distraught but making loose statements to the press will see him locked out of getting any information at all.