Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[geoffjennings79]

Interesting development. Wonder how this impacts the local planned search tomorrow?

Haven't managed to glean much locally the past few days. Had fire debris from Burrumbeet landing at home last night, so a bit preoccupied.

 

[Jimmybob]

Interesting development. Wonder how this impacts the local planned search tomorrow?

Haven't managed to glean much locally the past few days. Had fire debris from Burrumbeet landing at home last night, so a bit preoccupied.

(Also been away in Sydney taking taekwondo classes and visiting ch10 studios... that's a joke btw. I was nowhere near those tragic events. ☹)

Spat my coffee

 

[Barrybran]

Would be tragic if they find her and coroner says she only died 3 days ago.

Given the ping is from the area police said she had told friends about it appears that abduction is the most likely scenario. Affair is likely off the table given the distance, I would think. Depending on route, dash cam and CCTV footage would be limited. The bike scenario is remote but plausible. But I would think there are runners and cyclists about at 7am on a Sunday.

 

[31550]

Looking for 'small objects' not just a body or a phone.
Not confirming any ping to Samantha's phone but believing she was on foot in that area about an hour after leaving home.

 

[croweater 41]

Interesting development. Wonder how this impacts the local planned search tomorrow?

Haven't managed to glean much locally the past few days. Had fire debris from Burrumbeet landing at home last night, so a bit preoccupied.

(Also been away in Sydney taking taekwondo classes and visiting ch10 studios... that's a joke btw. I was nowhere near those tragic events. ☹)

So an arsonist and a murderer? I shouldn’t joke about the first one my sister and brother in law had to go from Beaufort they are only 2 streets in from the direction it was coming.

Gotta give you credit you have plenty of spare time on your hands.

 

[geoffjennings79]

So an arsonist and a murderer? I shouldn’t joke about the first one my sister and brother in law had to go from Beaufort they are only 2 streets in from the direction it was coming.

Gotta give you credit you have plenty of spare time on your hands.

I wish I did! Last 10-12 days of local fires have meant a lot of work in spare time staying on top of keeping a rural property as fire-proof as possible, checking on older neighbours, etc.

Yep we know several people who evacuated from Beaufort yesterday, they're just heading back home now.

(I haven't been anywhere near Sydney recently btw...)

 

[rdhopkins2]

Could Samantha have witnessed something on her run? Drug deal? Illegal sale of a firearm or other weapon and was then abducted due to her knowledge of an illegal event taken place?

 

[Kurve]

The detective says Missing Persons Squad has been checking mobile phone data since the day after Samantha went missing.

Forgive my naivety, but why can't you just ctrl-F her number/devices info in a database??

Information from the presser suggests to me that they've probably got more information off her watch.

 

[shorsky]

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/police-search-new-area-for-clues-in-samantha-murphy-disappearance/news-story/1732d04e62062b2133033ea34c4b767c

 

[Kurve]

Looking for 'small objects' not just a body or a phone.
Not confirming any ping to Samantha's phone but believing she was on foot in that area about an hour after leaving home.

From info in the presser, it appears the police have mapped her prior runs and know her routines, they've also ruled out a medical episode. They're also sadly, pretty sure she's deceased. This might all be information from her Apple watch if her heart stopped beating for example, but the watch continued moving?

Someone else in here might be more across the kind of data they could get from her watch, I never made the switch from android.

 

[Percel]

Information from the presser suggests to me that they've probably got more information off her watch.

Any info on whether her watch had independent gps/signals, away from a phone?

 

[Percel]

From info in the presser, it appears the police have mapped her prior runs and know her routines, they've also ruled out a medical episode. I think they've got all the data from her watch.

They're also sadly, pretty sure she's deceased. This might be information from her Apple watch if her heart stopped beating for example, but the watch continued moving?

Someone else in here might be more across the kind of data they could get from her watch, I never made the switch from android.

If she has an apple watch and phone, run data can be uploaded form the fitness/health app to the cloud, Not always live but certainly at the end of a run. She may have even had life360 or similar which tracks live location

 

[Kurve]

Any info on whether her watch had independent gps/signals, away from a phone?

Not that I heard in the presser. The cops seemed a bit evasive talking about the watch if he said they were looking for small items.

 

[31550]

If she has an apple watch and phone, run data can be uploaded form the fitness/health app to the cloud, Not always live but certainly at the end of a run. She may have even had life360 or similar which tracks live location

If she had Life360 or similar then family members or people in her 'circle' would have known her exact whereabouts at all times, until her device stopped transmitting (out of range or off power)

 

[geoffjennings79]

If she has an apple watch and phone, run data can be uploaded form the fitness/health app to the cloud, Not always live but certainly at the end of a run. She may have even had life360 or similar which tracks live location

Good point re life360, but if that's the case one of the family could have tracked her immediately?

 

[RustyHawk]

Not only would the police be logging her mobile phone at the mobile phone tower but everyone else's who pinged at the same time.

I wonder if a known sex offender's mobile pinged at the same area, same time?

 

[31550]

Map of local cell phone towers

 

[shorsky]

Thank you for posting this. It’s very informative in what he didn’t say, as opposed to what he did.

I think they had a lot of phone / watch tracking data etc early in the peace, but the 5pm ping didn’t correlate with the other information - which perhaps is why they released that information & did an immediate airial search of the area.

It seems they believe something has happened in the mt clear area, and she’s been removed from there.

It also seems to me that they may think it’s been a targeted occurrence.

 

[Percel]

If she had Life360 or similar then family members or people in her 'circle' would have known her exact whereabouts at all times, until her device stopped transmitting (out of range or off power)

Good point re life360, but if that's the case one of the family could have tracked her immediately?

Totally agree with both and it would seem odd if it was the case. Its one of the things we look at due the fact that as f kids older and delete it (don't want parents knowing where they are), older people tend to leave it as a time and travel tracker. The data we have pulled form life360 previously is quite helpful. Hard to get quickly though.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Totally agree with both and it would seem odd if it was the case. Its one of the things we look at due the fact that as f kids older and delete it (don't want parents knowing where they are), older people tend to leave it as a time and travel tracker. The data we have pulled form life360 previously is quite helpful. Hard to get quickly though.

Do you mean hard to get data quickly even in your own family/360 group? Or in a professional capacity? (I've never used it, but understand how it works, just not the data access behind it. There was a guy who went missing in Perth a while back, and I think his daughter/s knew immediately that something was wrong.)

 

[Pamcake1]

Interesting. Sounds like to me they know someone has seen her in the area but hasn't come forward and are trying to see if they come forward now that they're putting an 'olive branch' out.

When questioned if the house has been searched, it seemed like he slipped up and wasn't supposed to say it has. He ended up saying it's partially been searched.

I'm starting to think she may have been meeting someone along her "runs" and something's gone awry.

I don't think she was meeting anyone on her runs. I think someone knew she would run and was waiting for her.

 

[Zidane98]

Could Samantha have witnessed something on her run? Drug deal? Illegal sale of a firearm or other weapon and was then abducted due to her knowledge of an illegal event taken place?

In broad daylight in a popular place for runners/bushwalkers seems a bit of a stretch. Also, if this was an inadvertent encounter mobile phone data from said guilty party could/would be eventually matched to Samantha's metadata. An abduction to hide things just makes it worse for the guilty party.

 

[Zidane98]

Information from the presser suggests to me that they've probably got more information off her watch.

Perhaps they've found a suspect with matching mobile phone signal data after spending weeks eliminating all the irrelevant mobile phone data from the investigation.

 

[geoffjennings79]

In broad daylight in a popular place for runners/bushwalkers seems a bit of a stretch.

Yeah, but 7am in that area is not teeming with foot or vehicle traffic, so lessens the risk somewhat. E.g. if a local perp or someone who'd scoped out her habits and the area beforehand.

I agree it's less likely, but wouldn't rule it out. Just look at the dearth of any dashcam or cctv that anyone has provided, despite repeated requests from police.

 

[Zidane98]

From info in the presser, it appears the police have mapped her prior runs and know her routines, they've also ruled out a medical episode. They're also sadly, pretty sure she's deceased. This might all be information from her Apple watch if her heart stopped beating for example, but the watch continued moving?

Someone else in here might be more across the kind of data they could get from her watch, I never made the switch from android.

With all the extra investigation resources allocated and this newly released information it sounds like the coppers are closing in on solving the disappearance.