Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

[Kurve]

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

If you don't know what the motives are why are you suggesting my theory of why must be ridiculous?

Where did you get the information from that it was some sort of competition?

I just can’t see anyone dealing with grief/shock by making up atrocious stories.
Maybe you’re right, maybe that is the reason.
It just sounds outrageous to me.

 

[Kurve]

I just can’t see anyone dealing with grief/shock by making up atrocious stories.
Maybe you’re right, maybe that is the reason.
It just sounds outrageous to me.

If they're around the same age as Patrick Orren, their brains aren't even fully matured yet. Mens brains don't fully mature until around the age of 25yo.

(or womens)

 

[Terrafirma]

I'm confused as to why he has not disclosed the location of the body? It has been said he comes from a decent family? So I can only assume he is denying the murder therefore no body etc. If the Police evidence proving murder is a given obviously he must be pleading not guilty? If he pleads guilty then why not disclose the location of her remains? What do people think the scenario is? I would have thought his father would be asking him to disclose the body if he was guilty otherwise there is more to this?

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

I'm confused as to why he has not disclosed the location of the body? It has been said he comes from a decent family? So I can only assume he is denying the murder therefore no body etc. If the Police evidence proving murder is a given obviously he must be pleading not guilty? If he pleads guilty then why not disclose the location of her remains? What do people think the scenario is? I would have thought his father would be asking him to disclose the body if he was guilty otherwise there is more to this?

He's been accused of murder. I don't think what type of family he comes from makes any difference at this point. He's a 22 year old adult. Daddy would have no influence. If he did, he likely wouldn't have been doing a lot of stuff he was doing .. particularly murder.


A lot of people convicted of murder don't reveal where the body is.

 

[mrskafoops]

Who cares if a bunch of kids have an SMS chat about that stuff? Harping on about it isn't going to change it. Cut Kurve some slack. I imagine it's a full-time job moderating here.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

I'm confused as to why he has not disclosed the location of the body? It has been said he comes from a decent family? So I can only assume he is denying the murder therefore no body etc. If the Police evidence proving murder is a given obviously he must be pleading not guilty? If he pleads guilty then why not disclose the location of her remains? What do people think the scenario is? I would have thought his father would be asking him to disclose the body if he was guilty otherwise there is more to this?

Think you're on the right track.
As yet no stories of him admitting anything.
So his attitude might be nothing to see here.
Vicpol hopefully got thier ducks in line.
We don't want a little William mess.

 

[Flog111]

I'm confused as to why he has not disclosed the location of the body? It has been said he comes from a decent family? So I can only assume he is denying the murder therefore no body etc. If the Police evidence proving murder is a given obviously he must be pleading not guilty? If he pleads guilty then why not disclose the location of her remains? What do people think the scenario is? I would have thought his father would be asking him to disclose the body if he was guilty otherwise there is more to this?

It’s possible he hasn’t confessed to killing Samantha. They’ve just charged him on the evidence they have. Whenever the court date is we will see some justice.

 

[Lady O]

I'm confused as to why he has not disclosed the location of the body? It has been said he comes from a decent family? So I can only assume he is denying the murder therefore no body etc. If the Police evidence proving murder is a given obviously he must be pleading not guilty? If he pleads guilty then why not disclose the location of her remains? What do people think the scenario is? I would have thought his father would be asking him to disclose the body if he was guilty otherwise there is more to this?

Guessing of course, but I wonder if he thinks that without a body they will not be able to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that he had anything to do with her disappearance, let alone that he murdered her.

The only thing I can think is that he is very confident she won't be found. Either that, or if she is found at some future time, her remains will be so decomposed they will not be able to obtain any evidence about how she died or who might have been involved.

 

[Jimmybob]

I'm confused as to why he has not disclosed the location of the body? It has been said he comes from a decent family? So I can only assume he is denying the murder therefore no body etc. If the Police evidence proving murder is a given obviously he must be pleading not guilty? If he pleads guilty then why not disclose the location of her remains? What do people think the scenario is? I would have thought his father would be asking him to disclose the body if he was guilty otherwise there is more to this?

Endless possibilities. Control being the main one, I'd say, then there's using it as a means to some kind of deal; another, no body makes it harder to convict, although, if convicted and they don't disclose the body, then I believe they don't get parole or something (haven't read into properly, cbf). Then there's the possibility that he doesn't even know what's going on; you know, with all the talk about him being on a bender the night/s before, it's not unheard of to have a drug induced psychosis before murdering someone. Just have to wait and see!

 

[Unit45]

Guessing of course, but I wonder if he thinks that without a body they will not be able to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that he had anything to do with her disappearance, let alone that he murdered her.

The only thing I can think is that he is very confident she won't be found. Either that, or if she is found at some future time, her remains will be so decomposed they will not be able to obtain any evidence about how she died or who might have been involved.

Very confident is a long stretch maybe hopeful, and yes feels like that his strategy which has been used in many countries before.

 

[jason_recliner]

Guessing of course, but I wonder if he thinks that without a body they will not be able to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that he had anything to do with her disappearance, let alone that he murdered her.

The only thing I can think is that he is very confident she won't be found. Either that, or if she is found at some future time, her remains will be so decomposed they will not be able to obtain any evidence about how she died or who might have been involved.

If he denies everything he still has a chance, no matter how slim, he will go free. If he confesses and gives up the body then it's all over. The no body/no parole law is a huge price to pay if he loses the gamble.

 

[Catch]

I just hope they find her ASAP
It's just so sad for poor SM and her family, and this should never have happened.
I wonder if the accused's family have moved right away ? Interstate or even overseas while this is on going

 

[Lady O]

Very confident is a long stretch maybe hopeful, and yes feels like that his strategy which has been used in many countries before.

OK, confidently hopeful. For some reason I have thought from the beginning that she is in water somewhere.

 

[Unit45]

I just hope they find her ASAP
It's just so sad for poor SM and her family, and this should never have happened.
I wonder if the accused's family have moved right away ? Interstate or even overseas while this is on going

That's right utmost importance for the family now, with all the gossip going around Ballarat the accused's family side of things is stone quiet.

 

[Unit45]

OK, confidently hopeful. For some reason I have thought from the beginning that she is in water somewhere.

Did you throw the cards ? i get a feel you may have in those words spoken.

 

[Aussie Assault]

I just hope they find her ASAP
It's just so sad for poor SM and her family, and this should never have happened.
I wonder if the accused's family have moved right away ? Interstate or even overseas while this is on going

Word on the street is they've left town, and left him to work it out for himself. All heresy like the last few weeks of this thread I guess.

Instead of being able to use things like revealing the body location as a negotiating tactic to reduce the sentence, it should be if they're found guilty later at trial, then every day/week that passes without revealing the location is another year on top of your sentence. I know it's got it flaws and at some point, there's no incentive to reveal it when you've got a ~70yr sentence, but the fact they can potentially reduce the charge in cases like this for cooperating sucks balls.

 

[Lady O]

Did you throw the cards ? i get a feel you may have in those words spoken.

No, I don't play cards.

 

[31550]

I'm confused as to why he has not disclosed the location of the body? It has been said he comes from a decent family? So I can only assume he is denying the murder therefore no body etc. If the Police evidence proving murder is a given obviously he must be pleading not guilty? If he pleads guilty then why not disclose the location of her remains? What do people think the scenario is? I would have thought his father would be asking him to disclose the body if he was guilty otherwise there is more to this?

Maybe he doesn't know? Police either think there is enough evidence without the body, or they are reasonably confident of finding the body before the trial proper.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Word on the street is they've left town, and left him to work it out for himself. All heresy like the last few weeks of this thread I guess.

Instead of being able to use things like revealing the body location as a negotiating tactic to reduce the sentence, it should be if they're found guilty later at trial, then every day/week that passes without revealing the location is another year on top of your sentence. I know it's got it flaws and at some point, there's no incentive to reveal it when you've got a ~70yr sentence, but the fact they can potentially reduce the charge in cases like this for cooperating sucks balls.

I agree.

 

[Unit45]

Maybe he doesn't know? Police either think there is enough evidence without the body, or they are reasonably confident of finding the body before the trial proper.

For the legal eagles here, how much questioning can the accused be subjected to along the way trial from here on in , is there some limit or getting closer to the trial it ceases?

 

[boogster3105]

Why would he reveal the body, I mean there probably isn't much incentive at this point and then it basically gives him up and game over. Would def be a control thing too I would imagine

 

[demondavey]

Who cares if a bunch of kids have an SMS chat about that stuff? Harping on about it isn't going to change it. Cut Kurve some slack. I imagine it's a full-time job moderating here.

Could you imagine keeping us in line? Should be on Harry McKays salary

 

[Unit45]

Could you imagine keeping us in line? Should be on Harry McKays salary

I thought ya meant Harry Kane lol

 

[Lebbo73]

I agree.

I disagree

 

[thumbs_up]

If they're around the same age as Patrick Orren, their brains aren't even fully matured yet. Mens brains don't fully mature until around the age of 25yo.

(or womens)

Perhaps that'll be Patrick's legal defense strategy "but my brain wasn't fully developed your honour"