Schoenmakers gets to have the final say

[theflea]

He has already directly cost the Hawks a GF appearance in his short career. And after last night's performance, we may look back and say he cost them another. Sysdney in Sydney, followed by Cats, then Adelaide in Adelaide would be a tough way to make a GF and had he kept his opponent to anything less than hawkin's highest score of the year, we would virtually be a lock to avoid that route. Not to mention his next examination under finals like pressure (esp. in the GF), to which he has never stood up before.

Peoplw say give him time, he'll be okay in a few years. Problem is that NOW is the time the Hawks are competing for flags. In a few years, Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell, Gibson etc will be gone and Buddy, roughy etc will be past their peak.

i still reckon the hawks should pull the trigger and give up a first rd pick+ for lake. would complete the puzzle.

 

[Off The Couch]

i still reckon the hawks should pull the trigger and give up a first rd pick+ for lake. would complete the puzzle.

Short term fixes fix nothing

People are going to slate shoey no matter what - personally I think he is coming along ok, especially for someone who has been thrown in the deep end like he has. There is no doubt we need a big bodied defender but they are not exactly a dime a dozen. Nothing was going to stop Hawkins last night and I challenge anyone to put up someone who can go 1:1 on him and be deemed the winner - 4 goals would be considered a win you would think.

 

[Testekill]

Average defender in an strong team. Needed Gibson to provide chop off when Hawkins took control in the second half but got nothing.

 

[King Elvis]

When he's on, and the delivery is flawless, it's either team defense, or Hawkins wins.

I love our Rutten, but he was beaten last week as well - similar reason, none of our other defenders were willing to risk their own game to help him.

 

[Mr Cannons]

Short term fixes fix nothing

People are going to slate shoey no matter what - personally I think he is coming along ok, especially for someone who has been thrown in the deep end like he has. There is no doubt we need a big bodied defender but they are not exactly a dime a dozen. Nothing was going to stop Hawkins last night and I challenge anyone to put up someone who can go 1:1 on him and be deemed the winner - 4 goals would be considered a win you would think.

surely ur not serious, how could it not fix anything? lake would make ur team just about unbeatable, there is doubts about ur teams defence now and god only knows whats going on in schoeys head now, im thinking he would be terrified to play finals against a huge forward, his confidence would be shot to pieces now and confidence plays a big part in big games, lake would make the puzzle complete.

 

[BrunoV]

Adelaide didn't even let Rutten play on him last week

Adelaide tried that last week early on and he made Rutten look horrible so much so Rutten was subbed and Hawkins ended the game on Talia

This just proves my point. There is no other key defender that has anywhere near the bulk and strength of Hawkins. If Hawkins can destroy Rutten one on one than who is it that Schoenmakers is being compared to? What non-existent level does Schoenmakers need to get to for these losses not to be his fault?

 

[Off The Couch]

surely ur not serious, how could it not fix anything? lake would make ur team just about unbeatable, there is doubts about ur teams defence now and god only knows whats going on in schoeys head now, im thinking he would be terrified to play finals against a huge forward, his confidence would be shot to pieces now and confidence plays a big part in big games, lake would make the puzzle complete.

Brian lake is a good defender who if we could borrow for the rest of the season maybe a good fit but as it stands he is also 31 going into next season and returning from a long term injury without any guarantees and currently playing average football and for that the hawks have to give up a first round pick and a player - pass

I also disagree about shoey and confidence going into the finals - he hasn't to date dropped his head and I don't expect him to start now.

There is no doubting we need a big bodied defender right now but it is what it is and maybe gilham returning could help but I think that's highly unlikely as well.

 

[Mr Cannons]

Brian lake is a good defender who if we could borrow for the rest of the season maybe a good fit but as it stands he is also 31 going into next season and returning from a long term injury without any guarantees and currently playing average football and for that the hawks have to give up a first round pick and a player - pass

I also disagree about shoey and confidence going into the finals - he hasn't to date dropped his head and I don't expect him to start now.

There is no doubting we need a big bodied defender right now but it is what it is and maybe gilham returning could help but I think that's highly unlikely as well.

i disagree that he hasnt been playing good, hes team has been getting smashed not him, u took a punt stuart dew and look how that turned out, i know u got him for nothing (btw i never said to trade a 1st rounder and a player for lake) he would come alot cheaper and i think hes got plenty to give.

 

[mysainters]

Got the feeling that Hawkins will do that do a few more defenders in the coming rounds.

Not convinced it's Shoenmakers specific.

 

[H00LIGAN HAWKER]

Shoey goes alright, he got beaten last night. Not the first defender to have 6 goals kicked on him.

 

[drummoyne]

While it may be an unpopular opinion amongst opposition supporters I think his development curve has been great. He has all the attributes to suggest he will be a solid KPD in seasons to come.

Reminds me of Ben Reid but hasn't hasn't come on as quickly. Hawks should and no doubt will continue to throw him in the deep end.

 

[pizzor]

Nothing Shoey could do last night, just completely out muscled. In saying that Shoey is a decent enough player and still has improvement in him.

 

[Partridge]

Got the feeling that Hawkins will do that do a few more defenders in the coming rounds.

Not convinced it's Shoenmakers specific.

It isn't. Hawkins has done it to a few players this year already. He's not alone.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

Out of left field, but hawks should trade roughy for paddy Ryder. Play Ryder at chb. Would become the buddy of key defenders. Gunston covers the forward line loss.

 

[VanBerlo=God]

i still reckon the hawks should pull the trigger and give up a first rd pick+ for lake. would complete the puzzle.

 

[DapperDon]

Out of left field, but hawks should trade roughy for paddy Ryder. Play Ryder at chb. Would become the buddy of key defenders. Gunston covers the forward line loss.

Or they could just play Roughy at CHB.

 

[theflea]

Short term fixes fix nothing

People are going to slate shoey no matter what - personally I think he is coming along ok, especially for someone who has been thrown in the deep end like he has. There is no doubt we need a big bodied defender but they are not exactly a dime a dozen. Nothing was going to stop Hawkins last night and I challenge anyone to put up someone who can go 1:1 on him and be deemed the winner - 4 goals would be considered a win you would think.

your window is right now. lake can play for another 3 years. maybe a cupla flags?

 

[SirJimi05]

your window is right now. lake can play for another 3 years. maybe a cupla flags?

Lake copped a bit of a bath today. What is his record like this season on the big guerilla forwards?

 

[vanders]

Was fantastic against the Swannies tonight

 

[themarkedman72]

Was fantastic against the Swannies tonight

could have been best on ground tonight. Super player.

 

[Dangas]

Was fantastic against the Swannies tonight

I certainly was one to criticise him early on about him as KPD, but after tonight's effort, going along with other performances this year, solid defender.

 

[David the Cat]

Played well tonight all right...with Guerra and Burgoyne also excellent.

Lets see how he goes on a BIG forward muscling him out....thats when he struggles.

I still reckon he will go forward sometime in his career

 

[themarkedman72]

Played well tonight all right...with Guerra and Burgoyne also excellent.

Lets see how he goes on a BIG forward muscling him out....thats when he struggles.

I still reckon he will go forward sometime in his career

He will get the better of hawkins when it counts.

 

[David the Cat]

He wont you know!

 

[Necromancer Beth]

He wont you know!

Yeah because you won't be there when it counts