Analysis Second option at kick-ins?

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agmsy

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It seems pretty clear that we have a preferred structure at kick-ins.

Get the ball to the corner of the centre square, or 10-15m further along the wing-edge of the centre square on the chosen side of the ground.
Get tall forwards to that spot, and smalls around the drop of the ball + covering out the back.
Hope a tall clunks a mark, or hope our smalls win the ball if we bring it to ground.

When it works, it works well. Taking the 45 opens up that side of the ground and the corridor, allowing fast ball movement through an opposition defensive structure that is often either too shallow or too narrow to stand up against speed and overlap runners.

But it's so predictable.

In the first quarter yesterday, it failed a couple of times in quick succession, allowing Fremantle easy repeat I50s. Eventually, at the next kick-in, Jonas gave a short pass to DBJ (standing deep in the pocket), whose subsequent kick down the ground went much wider towards the boundary. It was a lower percentage kick for our attack, but a much needed circuit-breaker; denying Fremantle use of the corridor on the rebound, and allowing us to force a stoppage (throw-in) and reset. But it still went to the same side of the ground.

Do we have the talls to provide a second option at kick-ins?

Choose any four of Dixon, Marshall, Georgiades, Ladhams, and Lycett. Add in Aliir (who we used in that role against the Bulldogs after Clurey's injury). Surely we don't need all of them on the same side of the field. I could understand if it was 2-3 talls converging at that point, with at least one other tall down the line or at CHF, to provide a subsequent target, but often it's not. Instead, we allow the opposition to swell the pack, or get in each other's way. The pack's predictability and size make it easy to defend and difficult to get a clean mark or takeaway.

Could we shift at least one target to the other side of the ground (sit them halfway between the other corner of the centre square and the boundary), and actually put the ball in that direction every now and again? Make it a real target that the opposition has to defend. Take pressure and numbers away from the one super-pack we currently direct every kick-in towards. Give us a circuit-breaker or option besides hugging the boundary and hoping to force a throw-in outside d50.
 
I'm hoping it's part of a long term strategy of luring all our opponents into thinking that's all we've got as a strategy, then come the finals we unleash plans b, c, d, and possibly even, e - and mesmerise them with our multipronged attack-from-the-back plan, leaving them floundering and confused and completely at our mercy
 
I'm hoping it's part of a long term strategy of luring all our opponents into thinking that's all we've got as a strategy, then come the finals we unleash plans b, c, d, and possibly even, e - and mesmerise them with our multipronged attack-from-the-back, leaving them floundering and confused and completely at our mercy

You know who our coach is right?
 

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I'm hoping it's part of a long term strategy of luring all our opponents into thinking that's all we've got as a strategy, then come the finals we unleash plans b, c, d, and possibly even, e - and mesmerise them with our multipronged attack-from-the-back plan, leaving them floundering and confused and completely at our mercy
This absolutely sounds like the ken stinkley MO
 
Even if we could just do the same strategy but kick to the advantage side of the pack for our talls rather than theirs I would be happy.

It seems like we constantly kick to the corridor side right to an opposition defender.

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ive got a cunning plan...that you could use sometimes. Sometimes at kick ins there is large areas of the ground just empty as all the players have gone to one side or both sides and left the middle open. Get Mckenzie to look like he is going to kick it to the pack then unleash the cannon right into the the empty part of the ground. the ball would bounce past half way just need our guys to be the first to run on to it and your away... the press is bypassed.
 
my biggest problem with it, apart from using it constantly, is when we do kick it there its always on oppositions head and we have to fight to either make the contest or try to take a mark 3 players deep. i just dont get a lot of the kick ins, its never to our advantage
Yes. Game plan 'A'.
There is no plan 'B'.

We lose 75% of those kick ins as well as general "long, down the line" kicks in general field play.
Easiext strategy to combat.
Every side knows we do it.
They sloil the co text to the front of the pack and have crumbers ready to whisk it away.
Puts our backline under constant pressure.
On the rare occasions that we actually come away with the ball from these contests, it's a "Hallelujah" moment.

Show a bit of creativity to throw the oppo out of sync now and again.
 
Even if we could just do the same strategy but kick to the advantage side of the pack for our talls rather than theirs I would be happy.

It seems like we constantly kick to the corridor side right to an opposition defender.

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This was last year’s strategy because we had Westy out there and he was by far our best contested marker of the football. Hello coaches, he retired at the completion of the 2020 season!
Time for a new strategy.
 

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I'm hoping it's part of a long term strategy of luring all our opponents into thinking that's all we've got as a strategy, then come the finals we unleash plans b, c, d, and possibly even, e - and mesmerise them with our multipronged attack-from-the-back plan, leaving them floundering and confused and completely at our mercy

I wish I could believe
 
we go wide, we then switch, we then look up at witches hats standing flat footed on the wing, we turn over and then zone

meanwhile good sides back themselves and go down the middle


perhaps our plan B could be moving the goal posts to the wing
 
We’ve done the exact same thing for the last 7 years. We’ve got better kickers now, no improvement.
We’ve got better talls, no improvement.
We’ve got better smalls crumbing, no improvement.

That leaves one thing, this is a coaching issue as the change in personnel over the years certainly hasn’t improved our kick ins. And if there is one thing we all now about ken, he’s stubborn. Meaning we will never see a change in this space.
 
Need to see more of the full back holding the ball above their head for the secret signal that we are going for a set play

Or the trick we used to do in under 15s of everyone bunching together at chb then leading in every direction out from there
 
I'm hoping it's part of a long term strategy of luring all our opponents into thinking that's all we've got as a strategy, then come the finals we unleash plans b, c, d, and possibly even, e - and mesmerise them with our multipronged attack-from-the-back plan, leaving them floundering and confused and completely at our mercy

...Total Football.
 

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