Analysis Selection Integrity

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BlueTongue said:
While I agree with the sentiment in general, I'm not sure how you rate Evans' game worse then Motlop's in Round 1, considering he kicked a goal, and Motlop didn't, and somehow managed to avoid the axe despite playing his worst game for the club.

But yeah, Favorites and Self preservation is Voss' number it seems.
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Really?
Motlop had twice as many score involvements and tackles.
He had a goal assist, which should have been 2 if Kemp didn’t blow an easy set shot (or if the ump paid the blatant 50).

Evans goal was a soccer kick from the goal line.
 
Broadside said:
their inconsistent weekly effort and conditional play suggests otherwise.
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I disagree.

Effort has been there for everyone to see.

Confidence in themselves & their system — also their effectiveness has been poor.

“Sending them a message” by dropping players is daft.

Drop players for poor form, better options, game plan vs oppo.

Only if it makes us better!
 
I would love to see McGovern dropped for his 'efforts' so far this year who replaces him?

Same question re these blokes

Haynes
Docherty
Evans


now add E Hollands/HMcKay and Williams out for this or that reason

who replaces them?

All this lack of selection integrity talk as if it is 'given'

yet 99% of the time no alternative picks to put in their places- a discussion needs a posit to be responded to instead this theoretical talk leading to criticism based on no one even knowing who picks the team and how it is done

ALL conjecture - with no substance in. terms of argument put forward for specific players.

This year the most consistent call has been for Moir to play ( last year it was Binns) and to some extent Billy Wilson (now all quiet on the Binns front) ....

Fact is that Evans was a new player selected, Kemp has been repurposed and killed it against teh doggies and Jack repurposed and killed it against the doggies and today we hear that White is debuting in a big game ( presumably Williams out?) or replacing Evans..

The Lord in ran its course- maybe he is being rested...

I was chuffed to watch Young play a good solid role as a forward against. the doggies interesting that Moir wasnt deemed ready to even pinch hit instead of Young....

Maybe the VFL list isnt as strong as some people think it is? maybe bottom 3 in VFL speaks volumes about the true level of depth at the Club?

Anyway I look forward to Moir/Lemmey/OKeefe getting a run - two of them have shown signs to me that thy can make it as a an AFL player - why not Lemmey insrtead of Young in the previous game...speaks volumes about player readiness to me anyway.
 

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ItsAllAboutMe said:
Not sure its dropping, but I would make Docherty a permanent sub.. He can play that Jack Gunston role on the bench that can come in and make an impact when the heat and speed has gone out of the game. He is versatile and can play any position.
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Not sure about that. Coming on as sub his mistakes directly led to 2 or 3 goals to Richmond.
 
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Stamos said:
Really?
Motlop had twice as many score involvements and tackles.
He had a goal assist, which should have been 2 if Kemp didn’t blow an easy set shot (or if the ump paid the blatant 50).

Evans goal was a soccer kick from the goal line.
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Actually Evans was a bit stiff last week. Jessie burnt him in the first quarter when he went for the banana, Frank would have had a walk in goal. Then he hit Charlie up with a great pass (2nd quarter? ) but the umpire called it back for a free against Young. Add that to a direct goal assist late with a good kick to Kemp?.

Clearly he needs to have much more involvement but a goal and two direct goal assists would have made his game look better (and probably changed the result of the game)
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Actually Evans was a bit stiff last week. Jessie burnt him in the first quarter when he went for the banana, Frank would have had a walk in goal. Then he hit Charlie up with a great pass (2nd quarter? ) but the umpire called it back for a free against Young. Add that to a direct goal assist late with a good kick to Kemp?.

Clearly he needs to have much more involvement but a goal and two direct goal assists would have made his game look better (and probably changed the result of the game)
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Was in reference to Round 1
 
Just my opinion and I am sure it will be unpopular but I cannot stand the phrase "selection integrity" on this board.
It just becomes a catch-all for people to use when the players they want to see aren't in the seniors without much justification.

When it was being used for Murph as he was carried through the end of his career it was justified. Especially in a rebuilding position where it is worth looking at or getting games into kids.

Throughout the Voss/Russell tenure we were pushing for finals. The "get games into kids" or looking at them without much evidence goes out the window.
We were also ravaged by injuries with 10+ consistently on the unavailable list so I think we've been handcuffed at the selection table.

Think it is very premature to discuss so early in the season when our 2s have only played one official game.
Our seemingly consensus best player in that game was Boyd and he was elevated the next week, albeit as sub.

I think there are plenty of players who are deserving of being dropped (Docherty, McGovern, Haynes, Evans, Fogarty etc.) but I also don't think there are players missing selection worthy of being outraged about either.

Looks like we will get a look at White and Moir tomorrow night and hopefully they go well.
Let's hope the 2s boys can start putting some pressure on our underperforming 1s boys now the fixture properly starts for them.
 
Stamos said:
Really?
Motlop had twice as many score involvements and tackles.
He had a goal assist, which should have been 2 if Kemp didn’t blow an easy set shot (or if the ump paid the blatant 50).

Evans goal was a soccer kick from the goal line.
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Round 1 was the worst game I've seen Motlop play. He even ran away from the contest late in the 3rd quarter when he should have been at the feet of the pack. He doesn't seem to have an idea on positioning and I just don't see him getting better at that. If you don't have the footy smarts then you aren't going to get better at reading the ball. I don't like being hard on him as he has some good traits but I don't think he's got what it takes to be a small forward. Maybe he'd be better on the ball.
 
BlueTongue said:
Round 1 was the worst game I've seen Motlop play. He even ran away from the contest late in the 3rd quarter when he should have been at the feet of the pack. He doesn't seem to have an idea on positioning and I just don't see him getting better at that. If you don't have the footy smarts then you aren't going. I don't like being hard on him as he has some good traits but I don't thinks he's a small forward. Maybe he'd be better on the ball.
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He wasn’t good. But he was better than Evans.
Thankfully he improved a lot in the next 2 games, hopefully it keeps going that way.
 
BlueTongue said:
Round 1 was the worst game I've seen Motlop play. He even ran away from the contest late in the 3rd quarter when he should have been at the feet of the pack. He doesn't seem to have an idea on positioning and I just don't see him getting better at that. If you don't have the footy smarts then you aren't going. I don't like being hard on him as he has some good traits but I don't thinks he's a small forward. Maybe he'd be better on the ball.
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Not going to say always, but maybe 80% of the time, he refuses to go with a HB that is making a run up the ground to create overlap. Means out mids are often outnumbered.

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How Fogarty's spot is not designated to a young player or an experiment is beyond me. He's a VFL level player, always has been. Only thing he does is bluff people he is a pressure forward because he gets high tackle numbers, realistically this is due to being second to the ball consistently. Has not kicked a goal in 3 games and most likely will make it 4. Hardly gets it and kicks atrociously. I just don't get it with his consistent selection, never have.

Would much rather Boyd be trialled in this role. He can run, is a good kick as opposed to a terrible kick. Competes and tackles and defends. I just don't get our coaches' lack of ability to think.

At least Docherty has been a top level AFL footballer.
 
I think I’d prefer Boyd in the hollands roll across half back. Has a lot better kick and line breaking speed.
Otherwise, I would also play Boyd in the fog roll. Also with stints through the middle.
 
Our SC are like the Australian cricket selectors, always backing incumbents with previous runs on the board that they will return to that form by playing at the higher level. It's possibly an indictment on the VFL.

But the thing I don't get with Gov is that his role is redundant with Haynes and SOS playing back, so he's not just getting backed in to rediscover his form, he's hanging around like a spare wheel onfield.

Dropping Boyd and retaining Gov this week is all the evidence I need something is very wrong at selection.
 
JJBagger said:
One question - who decides what selection integrity is? And what is the definition?
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That's two questions.

1. Fans, coaches, fellow players and commentators.

2. Reward good form and punish bad form.

Take good heed of the Health team's advice.

Don't play favourites.
 
sosos said:
That's two questions.

1. Fans, coaches, fellow players and commentators.

2. Reward good form and punish bad form.

Take good heed of the Health team's advice.

Don't play favourites.
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Okay, so how do we know they are playing favourites, and it’s not just the team that they think has the best chance of winning the game?
 

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