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84859300 said:
OK, through nothing else but boredom, I've gone through the selection changes for Woosha's tenure at EFC. Not sure what I was trying to get out of it, other than I felt that we'd never seem to have "rang the changes" while he was in charge:

Jumping into the numbers:

2016 (the ban year) - there were 63 changes over 22 rounds, at an average of 2.86 per round. Ladder finish 18th
2 rounds there were no changes, once after a win and the other after a loss.
1 change occurred once. 1-bye
2 changes occurred 3 times. 2-L
3 changes 7 times. 6-L 1-W
4 changes 6 times. 6-L
5 changes once. 1-L / 15 point loss to CAR
6 changes once. 1-L / 78 point loss to WCE

2017 - there were 51 changes over 22 rounds and 1 final, at an average of 2.2 per round. Ladder finish 7th
3 rounds there were no changes. 1-L 2-W
1 change occurred 5 times. 2-L 3-W
2 changes occurred 6 times. 4-L 1-W 1-bye
3 changes occurred 4 times. 3-L 1-W
5 changes occurred twice. 2-W (surprisingly) / 18 point win v COLL & 8 point win v CAR
6 changes occurred twice. 2-L / 38 point loss to MEL & 43 point loss to ADE

2018 - there were 39 changes over 22 rounds, at an average of 1.77 per round. Ladder finish 11th
4 rounds there were no changes 2-L 1-W 1-bye
1 change occurred 3 times. 3-W
2 changes occurred 9 times. 4-L 5-W
3 changes occurred three times. 2-L 1-W
4 changes occurred once. 1-L / 71 point loss to RICH
5 changes occurred once. 1-L / 49 point loss to COLL

*snip*
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I'm curious, what are the average number of changes are after a win, a loss, a series of losses/wins, before or after travelling, and when there's been a short/long turn around between games?
 
84859300 said:
OK, through nothing else but boredom, I've gone through the selection changes for Woosha's tenure at EFC. Not sure what I was trying to get out of it, other than I felt that we'd never seem to have "rang the changes" while he was in charge:

Jumping into the numbers:

2016 (the ban year) - there were 63 changes over 22 rounds, at an average of 2.86 per round. Ladder finish 18th
2 rounds there were no changes, once after a win and the other after a loss.
1 change occurred once. 1-bye
2 changes occurred 3 times. 2-L
3 changes 7 times. 6-L 1-W
4 changes 6 times. 6-L
5 changes once. 1-L / 15 point loss to CAR
6 changes once. 1-L / 78 point loss to WCE

2017 - there were 51 changes over 22 rounds and 1 final, at an average of 2.2 per round. Ladder finish 7th
3 rounds there were no changes. 1-L 2-W
1 change occurred 5 times. 2-L 3-W
2 changes occurred 6 times. 4-L 1-W 1-bye
3 changes occurred 4 times. 3-L 1-W
5 changes occurred twice. 2-W (surprisingly) / 18 point win v COLL & 8 point win v CAR
6 changes occurred twice. 2-L / 38 point loss to MEL & 43 point loss to ADE

2018 - there were 39 changes over 22 rounds, at an average of 1.77 per round. Ladder finish 11th
4 rounds there were no changes 2-L 1-W 1-bye
1 change occurred 3 times. 3-W
2 changes occurred 9 times. 4-L 5-W
3 changes occurred three times. 2-L 1-W
4 changes occurred once. 1-L / 71 point loss to RICH
5 changes occurred once. 1-L / 49 point loss to COLL

While 2016 was the year it was, 2017 and 2018 were more stable (if that's an observation?). I haven't broken down the changes for injuries and form, because I think I answered my own question in seeing there had been numerous times 4, 5 & 6 changes had been made at the selection table.

I did follow up on the 2 x 5 changes after wins in 2017.

Round 5, we had beaten Collingwood on Anzac Day in 2017. The only match day injury reported was Jobe having a cut on his head and coming off the ground early. As Anzac Day was on a Tuesday, we had a 5 day break to the next round against Melbourne of which we lost.

The listed changes for the R6 Melb game ended up being Out: Brent Stanton (Omitted), Aaron Francis (Rested), Matthew Leuenberger (Rested), James Kelly (Rested) & Patrick Ambrose (Injured) for In: Matt Dea, Martin Gleeson, Tom Bellchambers, Ben Howlett & Conor McKenna. So one for poor form, one for injury and three for management.

Round 20, we'd beaten Carlton by 8 points. Fantasia was listed as doing his hamstring.

R21 was ADE in SA The Outs: Tom Bellchambers (Foot), Michael Hartley (Omitted), Zach Merrett (Suspension), Orazio Fantasia (Hamstring) & Mark Baguley (Rested) The Ins: Andrew McGrath, Matt Dea, James Kelly, Jayden Laverde & Matthew Leuenberger. This time it was two for injury, one for suspension and two for form.

Also the 2 x 6 changes in 2017
Once was in Round 7, after we'd played Melbourne The Outs: Mitch Brown (Ankle), Tom Bellchambers (Omitted), Ben Howlett (Omitted), Jobe Watson (Rested), Andrew McGrath (Rested) & Ben McNiece (Rested) The Ins: Michael Hartley, Aaron Francis, James Kelly, David Myers, Matthew Leuenberger & Brent Stanton. Meant that 4 dropped after the Collingwood win came back into the side and the purpose was resting (read: protecting) some players from travel.

In Round 22 vs GCS The Outs: Travis Colyer (Omitted), Matthew Leuenberger (Ankle), Ben Howlett (Omitted), Michael Hurley (Calf), Jobe Watson (Managed) & Matt Dea (Omitted) The Ins: Mark Baguley, Michael Hartley, Zach Merrett, Craig Bird, Tom Bellchambers & Joshua Begley. 3 players dropped for form, 2 for injury and 1 for management.

Enjoy.
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For me it's more about who doesn't change than the number of changes but this is still really good info.
 
Lore said:
I'm curious, what are the average number of changes are after a win, a loss, a series of losses/wins, before or after travelling, and when there's been a short/long turn around between games?
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I'll let you know when I get real bored...
 

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doug85 said:


Shit is on
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I hate this shit. Yes, things are ****ed right now but a bunch of cashed up dickheads throwing their weight around isn't going to help matters.

Lore said:
I have to wonder what would happen if the board went against the cashed up coteries and actually won a premiership as a result. Too much to hope for I suppose.
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Isn't this exactly what happened when the Richmond board stared down those Focus On Footy w***ers, conducted an independent review and actioned it's recommendations?
 
Old Campaigner said:
Isn't this exactly what happened when the Richmond board stared down those Focus On Footy w***ers, conducted an independent review and actioned it's recommendations?
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I feel like our board might actually be what happens *after* the Focus On Footy w***ers take over...
 
Bit of a leftfield passing enquiry as I have no clue but has Jimmy Bartel ever done any coaching in any capacity?

He has such a fantastic football brain and so fast at predicting effective strategy switches and solutions for the modern game...

I'm not suggesting a head coaching role without some sort of apprenticeship at a lower level but he seems like a genuine football scholar with quite a bit of winning culture also on his resume.
 

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the PILL said:
Bit of a leftfield passing enquiry as I have no clue but has Jimmy Bartel ever done any coaching in any capacity?

He has such a fantastic football brain and so fast at predicting effective strategy switches and solutions for the modern game...

I'm not suggesting a head coaching role without some sort of apprenticeship at a lower level but he seems like a genuine football scholar with quite a bit of winning culture also on his resume.
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has he done the cert 4 coaching course though?
 
ghostdog said:
Maybe it's something I don't understand about the football department, but I don't get the idea that Dodoro would turn flankers, or any other position player, into a mid. Dodoro doesn't coach. How would he ever do that?
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He picks flankers and in some sort of Kevin Sheedy type thoughts thinks they can be converted into midfielders by the football department. He is the guy picking them. IF you ask the football department they would rather not be trying to fit round pegs into square holes.
 
ant555 said:
He picks flankers and in some sort of Kevin Sheedy type thoughts thinks they can be converted into midfielders by the football department. He is the guy picking them. IF you ask the football department they would rather not be trying to fit round pegs into square holes.
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Do you think we are actually good at developing players at all (Let alone turning flankers into mids)?

Just watched the highlights of our 2016 win against Melbourne and i wonder of the players featuring in that game who is actually better now (or even last season).

Merritt, Langford, Fantasia, Daniher, Parish, Ambrose etc. Who has actually improved/developed as you would expect in a full time AFL system? 3 of these guys were drafted as mids, add Myers who to my eye isn't a better footballer now than when he joined the club - was also drafted to play midfield.

We have added some real quality to the list and yet we going nowhere and I don't see players actually getting better.
 
ant555 said:
He picks flankers and in some sort of Kevin Sheedy type thoughts thinks they can be converted into midfielders by the football department. He is the guy picking them. IF you ask the football department they would rather not be trying to fit round pegs into square holes.
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I actually appreciate that reply because it's helpful, so thanks. What you've described
seems problematic structurally then. I would have thought that the recruiter should be responsive to the needs and instructions of the football department and working in close consultation to narrow down and prioritize our choices... the tail is wagging the dog otherwise.
How much latitude does the club actually give Dodo?
 
BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!! said:
Exactly and it's up to the coach to give them that direction we are not a team like Hawks who can coach themselves.
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Coach themselves?

Hawthorn keep doing what they do precisely because they have a freak of a coach.
 

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