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uh huh, thats a good comeback (not), and the way u go on about generalising its funny that u can ahve a joke about it weneva u want

And this coming from the King of generalisations. All you do is generalise, yet now you have a problem. Funny that??

You from Geelong to by any chance???

OF COURSE UV SEEN THE PICS, after all youre far more superior then the rest of us on ANY issue in the ME just bcos ur a muslim

Is that what I think, or are you telling me what I think.

Did you know that the Kurds were gassed by saddam before a few months ago. I'm guessing not.

oh and as for removing saddam from power, do u have a better way of doing it??

How bout covert operations. supporting a military coup. Similar to the Shi-ite coup in 1991. But this time, instead of sitting and watching after the Shi-ite's rose against Saddam (at US bidding), perhaps helping. Hows that for an option.

In 1969 the CIA helped remove a pro-soviet Iraqi regime, and repleaced it with the Ba'ath party (do you know who they are). How did they manage it then. I'm sure they could also manage it today. After all, no one has more experience then the CIA at removing govt, and replacing them with pro-US dictators (Chile, Iran).

and what do u have to say about the SCUM iraqi army who are dressing as civilians? let me guess, theyre allowed bcos theyre being invaded theyre the ones that are causing innocent civilians to be mistaken for army troops and getting them killed.

You truly are a goose. You know that.

There country is being invaded, and you expect them to remain in uniform, so as to make the US's job easier. There are no rules in War. What, do you think this is a sport??

Yes, if your country is being invaded, you do what it takes to defend your country.

You see dim wit, if you knew anything besides what the media tells you, if you had a look at the history of war, you'd see that this isn't anything new. Going all the way back to the Roman empire.

The Vietnemese did the exact same thing.

The french resistence during WW2 used to dress in civilian clothes to attack German positions. Yet the Frence resistence are seen as hero's, yet Iraqi soldiers defending an invading force are seen as terrorists.

So yeah, it is the Iraqi's fault that US soldiers are killing civilians. Thats right. Because Iraqi's soldiers are in civilian uniforms, The US are killing civilians, thinking they are troops.

Vietnam all over again. I guess this gives the US the right to destroy whole villages, as they did in Vietnam.

Your logic is all warped.

now tell me why im wrong and give me ur superior insight please

Do you really need me to tell you why?

think about it. You say that the US are killing civilians because Iraqi's soldiers are in civilian uniform.

Why don't you just reverse your logic, just for a second.

Apply your very same 'rules' to the enemy.

If our soldiers wore 'civilian' uniforms, does this mean that an invading army has the right to kill our civilians, since our army is wearing civilian clothes. Is that what your saying.

here's a hint. Whenever you come up with one of your stupid warped theories, how bout reversing it, and applying it to yourself.

How would you feel about it. How would you feel if your family was slaughtered, because some Australian soldiers wore civilian clothing.

If Australia was a victim of an Iraqi terrorist bomb today. Who's fault would that be. The Iraqi's terrorists who set of the bomb, or scum like you who supported our govt going and murdering there people.

Using your warped logic, its seems the fault would be 'scum like you'.

(however, its clear to see that the terrorist is to blame, but not according to your logic)


And please. Answer just one question for me. What, do you believe, would be a valid way for the Iraqi's to fight the invading US/UK/Aust armies?? Nothing less then dropping there arms and surrendering i'm guessing.

(Its because of morons like you that we have so much hate and violence in the world, on both sides. You are the western version of an OBL. You call for the murder of muslims, whereas he calls for the murder of westerners. I detest both of you!)
 
Yes TWERP

like me!

I spent 4 years in the US Army infantry and more than half of that baby sitting nukes so I've spent my time on "the wall" not in mummies and daddies house like u poor lil starved uni rats!

Perhaps once u've had a life u might understand it.....

Stick ur head in the sand.. it worked for France in '39 I'm sure it'll suit you
 
If you read my post Lestat, I asked whether you had any of those pics?

No i don't.

Or has the passage of time diminished the value of those Iraqi lives?

Isn't that the way of this world.

I find it slightly hypocritical that the very same people supposedly defending the Kurds today (the US), vetoed a UN resolution back in 1988 condemning Iraq for the use of chemical weapons.

And why did you not raise the Chechnya'ns. Are they not worthy of your pity???

Of course what Saddam did to the Kurds was criminal, and I wish i had pics to post it. However to use this, as an excuse to kill more iraqi's is no less then criminal.

Take the aboriginals for example. White treatment of indigenous people has been criminal. Does this now give them the right to start murdering rights??

Have the lives of Aboriginals diminished with the passage of time??

Are some lives more valuable then others. Or is it only when it suits a particular agenda.

Kurds are persecuted by the Turks. Yet not a whisper about that. Why is that Dean.

Why is the Turkish kurdish leader (Ocelon) rotting in a turkish prison as a terrorist, yet the Iraqi kurds are seen as hero's.

The Turks massacred hundreds of Kurds during the 80's, yet why haven't you brought that up. Why has the media ignored the turkish kurdish issue??

I'll say it again. What happened to the Kurds was criminal. However, to bring it up now, more then ten years after it happened (after the media remained quiet for so long), and to now use this as a reason to attack iraq, is shocking. Have you's no shame!

Here are some links of Turkish treatment of Kurds. So I ask you Dean (please answer this question), do you advocate attacking Turkey???

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/turkey_background_kurds.htm

http://www.puk.org/web/htm/news/nws/30jan03nk.html

Can you at least see where i'm coming from??
 

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Originally posted by Lestat
And this coming from the King of generalisations. All you do is generalise, yet now you have a problem. Funny that??

You from Geelong to by any chance???

no im not actually

Is that what I think, or are you telling me what I think.

Did you know that the Kurds were gassed by saddam before a few months ago. I'm guessing not.

yes i did already know that

How bout covert operations. supporting a military coup. Similar to the Shi-ite coup in 1991. But this time, instead of sitting and watching after the Shi-ite's rose against Saddam (at US bidding), perhaps helping. Hows that for an option.

In 1969 the CIA helped remove a pro-soviet Iraqi regime, and repleaced it with the Ba'ath party (do you know who they are). How did they manage it then. I'm sure they could also manage it today. After all, no one has more experience then the CIA at removing govt, and replacing them with pro-US dictators (Chile, Iran).



You truly are a goose. You know that. use information, not insults

There country is being invaded, and you expect them to remain in uniform, so as to make the US's job easier. There are no rules in War. arent there? what about the geneva convention? What, do you think this is a sport?? no its not but there are still rules

Yes, if your country is being invaded, you do what it takes to defend your country.

You see dim wit, as usual, go the insults again :rolleyes: if you knew anything besides what the media tells you, uh huh, and what special insight do u have that we dont? if you had a look at the history of war, you'd see that this isn't anything new. Going all the way back to the Roman empire.

The Vietnemese did the exact same thing.

The french resistence during WW2 used to dress in civilian clothes to attack German positions. Yet the Frence resistence are seen as hero's, yet Iraqi soldiers defending an invading force are seen as terrorists. terrorists, hardly

So yeah, it is the Iraqi's fault that US soldiers are killing civilians. Thats right. Because Iraqi's soldiers are in civilian uniforms, The US are killing civilians, thinking they are troops. well they shouldnt whinge about it when theyre contributing to the problem

Vietnam all over again. I guess this gives the US the right to destroy whole villages, as they did in Vietnam.

Your logic is all warped. so is yours



Do you really need me to tell you why?

think about it. You say that the US are killing civilians because Iraqi's soldiers are in civilian uniform. its partly the reason

Why don't you just reverse your logic, just for a second.

Apply your very same 'rules' to the enemy.

If our soldiers wore 'civilian' uniforms, does this mean that an invading army has the right to kill our civilians, since our army is wearing civilian clothes. Is that what your saying. our civilians arent there so u can get over that theory right away

here's a hint. y thank you :rolleyes: Whenever you come up with one of your stupid look at that more derogatory comments warped theories, how bout reversing it, and applying it to yourself.

How would you feel about it. How would you feel if your family was slaughtered, because some Australian soldiers wore civilian clothing. yer well our soldiers dont pose as civilians, AND i highly doubt that my family would be walking around with AK47s OR driving through road check points

If Australia was a victim of an Iraqi terrorist bomb today. Who's fault would that be. The Iraqi's terrorists who set of the bomb, or scum like you who supported our govt going and murdering there people.

Using your warped logic, its seems the fault would be 'scum like you'. you overuse the word warped

(however, its clear to see that the terrorist is to blame, but not according to your logic)


And please. Answer just one question for me. What, do you believe, would be a valid way for the Iraqi's to fight the invading US/UK/Aust armies?? Nothing less then dropping there arms and surrendering i'm guessing.

(Its because of morons more insults like you that we have so much hate and violence in the world, on both sides. You are the western version of an OBL yes, what an extreme comparison, yes of course i plan to get a few planes and fly them into highrises in the ME til i kill a few thousand :rolleyes: . You call for the murder of muslims no, i dont have to, they do it themselves with suicide bombings! and dont give me the generalising BS cos muslims are fairly frequantly involved in such things , whereas he calls for the murder of westerners or anyone else he feels like killing, ie the kurds . I detest both of you! well good onya, the medals in the mail )
 
I spent 4 years in the US Army infantry and more than half of that baby sitting nukes so I've spent my time on "the wall" not in mummies and daddies house like u poor lil starved uni rats!

Like i said. I p*ss on people like you!

Killed any babies lately???

baby sitting nukes? Your language pretty much says it all.

And I live on my own thanks :) have so for 15 years.

Perhaps once u've had a life u might understand it.....

Don't you mean 'killed a life'.

But hey, continue to baby sit those 'nukes' of yours hey.

Stick ur head in the sand.. it worked for France in '39 I'm sure it'll suit you

So programmed that you've lost the ability to think.

Preventions better then cure. Yet your so thick that you can't comprehend that.

But what do you expect from military types. Its been scientifically proven that high physical activity, combined with fatigue (that means lack of sleep), causes the human brain to be more susceptible to command, and less able to think.

I pity you!
 
whereas he calls for the murder of westerners or anyone else he feels like killing, ie the kurds .

Pretty much sums up your level of knowledge.

So Bin Laden now killed Kurds did he. Read that in the media did ya.
 
While you "claim" to p*ss on people like me I doubt that you actually have ever had the courage to say anything in a face to face environment.

Rather you're more of one of those gutless wonders hiding at home behind your computer screen with your cat (read all your friends here)

Perhaps you should be saving your internet access fees for therapy?
 
Originally posted by Lestat
Like i said. I p*ss on people like you!

Killed any babies lately???

baby sitting nukes? Your language pretty much says it all.

And I live on my own thanks :) have so for 15 years.



Don't you mean 'killed a life'.

But hey, continue to baby sit those 'nukes' of yours hey.



So programmed that you've lost the ability to think.

Preventions better then cure. Yet your so thick that you can't comprehend that.

But what do you expect from military types. Its been scientifically proven that high physical activity, combined with fatigue (that means lack of sleep), causes the human brain to be more susceptible to command, and less able to think.

I pity you!

yer of course u pity him, cos u kno everything, we never stop hearing about it!

u kno we actually need people to defend our country and our freedom, you would last 5 seconds preaching like that in the ME, u think us 'westerners' are so wrong and all but you live in the west and enjoy our freedom, our way of life, u go on about all the hate in the world, well u should listen to yourself sometimes.

until you are in the military you dont kno what REALLY goes on (and neither do i) but i think theyre doing a good job.

u sit at home/work in your comfort zone, u call them KILLERS, but would you go to work and get SHOT AT?
would you put your life on the line for the pay they get? would you?

they follow orders wothout question, and u know WHY they have to follow orders without question? bcos if they dont they are putting themselves and their fellow soldiors AT RISK, allies get killed wen u dont follow orders.

maybe you should get off your high horse bcos its blinding you to rational thought.
 
Originally posted by Lestat
Pretty much sums up your level of knowledge.

So Bin Laden now killed Kurds did he. Read that in the media did ya.

actually i thought u were talking about saddam, theres so much dribble in ur posts, ppl kinda tune out.
 
Originally posted by Syd
but hey...
with 2 uni degrees you already know ENGLISH dont you?

yer as u can see he fully understands the properties of 'there, their, and they're'

lol the rule to lestat is to use 'there' for all 3.
 
Originally posted by Syd

you might want to edit your signature as apparently intellegence is a contradiction to you son!

You might wanna edit this post, mate.
 

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u kno we actually need people to defend our country and our freedom, you would last 5 seconds preaching like that in the ME, u think us 'westerners' are so wrong and all but you live in the west and enjoy our freedom, our way of life, u go on about all the hate in the world, well u should listen to yourself sometimes.

Really?

Please, point out to me when Australia has been attacked, besides Japan and WW2.

Just once will do. Just once when Australia has needed defending.

Go ahead, enlighten me.

And by the way, I never said 'westerners' are wrong. Just you warmongerers.

Have a look around. Most of the Western world is anti this war. (the western world is more then just US/UK and Aust)
 
While you "claim" to p*ss on people like me I doubt that you actually have ever had the courage to say anything in a face to face environment.

Oh, i'd luv to tall you face to face what I think of people like you!

Rather you're more of one of those gutless wonders hiding at home behind your computer screen with your cat (read all your friends here)

Yes, gutless.

I'll be coming up to syd soon. Care to meet for a drink???

And I hate cats ;)

Perhaps you should be saving your internet access fees for therapy?

Was that supposed to be funny. Wait....am i supposed to laugh???
 
Originally posted by Lestat
Really?

Please, point out to me when Australia has been attacked, besides Japan and WW2.

Just once will do. Just once when Australia has needed defending.

think u might have answered your own question there mate.

but anyway, maybe you could tell us who our allies were in defending our own country??

yes please tell me, or ENLIGHTEN ME as u would put it!
 
think u might have answered your own question there mate.

There's your reading problem coming up again i see.

Read the question again. I asked for once, BESIDES WW2.

Oh thats right, you couldn't answer, cause there hasn't been any other times.

but anyway, maybe you could tell us who our allies were in defending our own country??

Yes, good question.

Who was it that defended Australia when Japan attacked Darwin???

Good Question. Do you know?? Were there any US troops stationed in Darwin???
 
Originally posted by Lestat
There's your reading problem coming up again i see.

Read the question again. I asked for once, BESIDES WW2.

Oh thats right, you couldn't answer, cause there hasn't been any other times.



Yes, good question.

Who was it that defended Australia when Japan attacked Darwin???

Good Question. Do you know?? Were there any US troops stationed in Darwin???

well why say BESIDES those ones, wen u KNOW that they are the only ones. u contradict yourself. you say we dont need defending yet you point out times wen we have been attacked????

and yes there WERE US troops in Darwin.
 
Originally posted by Lestat
No, before the gulf war, not after.

1988 to be precise. Of course the US, no one for that matter cared back then, since Iraq was an ally of the US.

And yeah i have seen those pics, why haven't you??

I'm all for removing Saddam from power, i just don't agree with the method of killing hundreds of Iraqi's in the process.


So how would you remove him from power ?
 

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