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Whatever it is, there is no way you can argue (with a straight face, anyway), that the white male is an oppressed minority demographic in Australia.
I didn't ask about 'oppressed'.

The earlier commenter suggested that 'the white man is the new minority'.

You replied 'you can't believe that'

So I'm asking you, what is the definition of a minority?
 
What is a 'minority'?

As in, what is the working definition?
Well that's not as simple as you think. You can have a minority of numbers, or minority of power, or a minority of equity for example.

See my response above. Many white men don't feel like a victim during these changing times because we agree with those changes. So defining all white men as being in a minority is incorrect, many are still with the majority.

There is a subset of white men in a minority. And if they are feeling hard done by then they need to articulate their issues.
 
I didn't ask about 'oppressed'.

The earlier commenter suggested that 'the white man is the new minority'.

You replied 'you can't believe that'

So I'm asking you, what is the definition of a minority?

In terms of demographics, in terms of representation in just about every organisation that has power, and in terms of appearing on TV and movies and sport and anything else that matters - yes, there is no way you can seriously believe the 'white man' is a minority.
 

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Well that's not as simple as you think. You can have a minority of numbers, or minority of power, or a minority of equity for example.

See my response above. Many white men don't feel like a victim during these changing times because we agree with those changes. So defining all white men as being in a minority is incorrect, many are still with the majority.

There is a subset of white men in a minority. And if they are feeling hard done by then they need to articulate their issues.
So are wealthy black people in America not part of the 'minority' under your definition?
 
In terms of demographics, in terms of representation in just about every organisation that has power, and in terms of appearing on TV and movies and sport and anything else that matters - yes, there is no way you can seriously believe the 'white man' is a minority.
You still haven't explained what the term 'minority' means to you.

Unless it simply means 'everybody except white males'.

Which is fine by me if that is your definition, just be honest about it.
 
Ok, for me to accept your argument you now have to prove that BLM is a neo-Marxist organisation. The floor is yours. This should be interesting.
Marxists, or 'neo' Marxists, in my understanding, view the sphere of human relations as a history of repression and exploitation, of conflict between groups. These 'neo' Marxists, distinct from the usual, orthodox Marxists, disregard the class conflict and focus instead on race, sexual orientation, gender, nationality, culture etc. These people think only in terms of race (or, alternatively, gender etc.). They view history and society exclusively through the lens of race. They have a sickening obsession with race. The consequences of this is a hyper-focus and promotion of a 'victim hierarchy' whereby a person is elevated on account of the number of 'victim' classes they belong to (race, gender, sexual orientation). It is blatantly obvious in their values (https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/) that they promote completely unrelated 'victim' classes (such as transgenders) that they view everything completely through this victim class lens, just as a Marxist would traditional economic class.

The founders of the movement even admit to being 'trained Marxists':
“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza. “We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories"
 
Marxists, or 'neo' Marxists, in my understanding, view the sphere of human relations as a history of repression and exploitation, of conflict between groups. These 'neo' Marxists, distinct from the usual, orthodox Marxists, disregard the class conflict and focus instead on race, sexual orientation, gender, nationality, culture etc. These people think only in terms of race (or, alternatively, gender etc.). They view history and society exclusively through the lens of race. They have a sickening obsession with race. The consequences of this is a hyper-focus and promotion of a 'victim hierarchy' whereby a person is elevated on account of the number of 'victim' classes they belong to (race, gender, sexual orientation). It is blatantly obvious in their values (https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/) that they promote completely unrelated 'victim' classes (such as transgenders) that they view everything completely through this victim class lens, just as a Marxist would traditional economic class.

The founders of the movement even admit to being 'trained Marxists':
“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza. “We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories"

I'm sorry, but this is just garbage. Go read a book for crying out loud. One single ideology that you could label a Marxist by is anti-capitalism. Scott Morrison is a Christian and Jesus was anti capitalist, therefore Scott Morrison is a Marxist...
 
I'm sorry, but this is just garbage. Go read a book for crying out loud. One single ideology that you could label a Marxist by is anti-capitalism. Scott Morrison is a Christian and Jesus was anti capitalist, therefore Scott Morrison is a Marxist...
That is such a reach and it's obvious you're not arguing in good faith because you're not arguing at all.

If the founders saying 'we are Marxists' isn't good enough for you, nothing will change your mind.
 
Might just be the worse take in the thread so far.
How do you define 'minority'? Is it fixed or relative?

Because if you take it in a global sense, relatively, 'white' people are by far the minority. In many major Western cities and neighbourhoods, 'white' people are already a minority, and within decades, in most 'white' countries 'white' people will also be a minority. White men, particularly, are a minority in tertiary institutions.
 
How do you define 'minority'? Is it fixed or relative?

Because if you take it in a global sense, 'white' people are by far the minority. In many major Western cities and neighbourhoods, 'white' people are already a minority, and within decades, in most 'white' countries 'white' people will also be a minority. White men, particularly, are a minority in tertiary institutions.

Globally, of course. The majority of people in the world are Chinese - but this doesn't mean the Chinese are a majority in Australia, to use an extreme example.

I thought we were clearly talking in the Australian context here when we're debating the actions of an Australian rules football player in Australia.
 

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That is such a reach and it's obvious you're not arguing in good faith because you're not arguing at all.

If the founders saying 'we are Marxists' isn't good enough for you, nothing will change your mind.
Mate, you just quoted a bunch of right wing populist youtubers and claimed it as fact. I just used their same argument against you. Don't blame me for that cognitive dissonance. Like I said go read a book on what Marxism actually is and tell me how BLM is a neo-Marxist organisation. You haven't done that yet.
 
How do you define 'minority'? Is it fixed or relative?

Because if you take it in a global sense, relatively, 'white' people are by far the minority. In many major Western cities and neighbourhoods, 'white' people are already a minority, and within decades, in most 'white' countries 'white' people will also be a minority. White men, particularly, are a minority in tertiary institutions.
Within a few hundred years everyone is likely to be brown. So what? Here is the big problem with your argument - the colour of your skin doesn't make you who you are any more than the colour of your eyes, or hair or t-shirt.
 
Im aware. Im just saying that if I dont yield to society and dont bend the knee I'm instantly labeled racist. This whole kneeling thing has really gotten out of control.
No one has done that as far as I can see. People who kneel are just showing their commitment to a cause. They aren't pointing a finger at anyone who doesn't.
 
Mate, you just quoted a bunch of right wing populist youtubers and claimed it as fact. I just used their same argument against you. Don't blame me for that cognitive dissonance. Like I said go read a book on what Marxism actually is and tell me how BLM is a neo-Marxist organisation. You haven't done that yet.
What are you talking about mate? I quoted a communist interviewing the founder who says on tape 'we are trained Marxists' hahahaha
Within a few hundred years everyone is likely to be brown. So what? Here is the big problem with your argument - the colour of your skin doesn't make you who you are any more than the colour of your eyes, or hair or t-shirt.
BLM and the social politics of today argue the inverse of that, and that also is indisputable.
 
BLM and the social politics of today argue the inverse of that, and that also is indisputable.
How does the lived experience that comes with being a different colour form a person?
 

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