NO TROLLS Should AFL players bend the knee before each match in 2021?

[Hoops]

Sheep!! No-one should take the knee. Black lives matter, as do white lives, yellow lives, red lives. Every single life matters. This is a perfect example of reverse discrimination prescribed by the lunatic left. Instead of working toward cohesion, they work toward division. The sooner everyone wakes up to this the better.

I can't believe you went there

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Enjoy the reset...where none of our lives will matter.

 

[Engimal v3]

I think they should bend both knees, as well as both of their elbows. That'll really make a statement.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

No. Imagine if a player didn't want to do it.. could you imagine the triggered lefty PC sooks how they would react?

Would it be worse than the triggered right wing nutjob snowflakes who go into meltdown because a sports person kneels before a ball game for a few seconds?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

It does affect people kneeling during that song is disrespectful to all the diggers who fought for this nation . If you want to kneeling or support that go to us or china

Didn't the diggers fight for our freedom? Including the freedom to kneel in protest?

 

[12kilos]

I am sick of the afl and its clubs getting involved in polotics.
Totally support the afl helping with disseases sicknesses ie Maddy the saints vs tigers game, pies vs dees neale daniher , breast cancer.pink round i love it.
Special days like anzac days. Indiginous round all this is great.
Even a round in regards to no tollerance for racism
But bending your knees every round give me a break, whats next every quater? we are not the u.s.a .
Personally for me the sports and polotics should not mix i am sick of it.
Celebtating sexual orientation, genders should be done in other enviroments and places. I do not see the logic in doing it during a footy game or any sports game.

 

[Tiger08]

Didn't the diggers fight for our freedom? Including the freedom to kneel in protest?

Every white person should kneel. That's the point. Its not about 'freedom'. Freedom comes from accepting your white skin has made you evil!

 

[Schneebly11]

It does affect people kneeling during that song is disrespectful to all the diggers who fought for this nation . If you want to kneeling or support that go to us or china

“Advance Australia Fair” only became the official national anthem in 1984. Since then the only time the “diggers fought for Australia” was the disastrous invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were Australian soldiers showed great skills in “dropping c**ts” who were unarmed in cold blood.

Why the f should I respect any of that?

And I’ll go one step further, who gives a f what happened 100 years ago? I don’t give a f about some Australians running up some sand dunes in Turkey trying to invade a country that had never threatened us because it has no effect on my life today. I didn’t know those people and they didn’t know me. How could some people long dead and buried be upset by my choosing to sing a silly national theme song or pick my nose or fart or kneel down or whatever?

It’s dead people’s baggage. Leave it in the past where it belongs.

 

[LordLucifer]

By now you've probably heard about what happened in a recent Rugby match between Ireland and Wales.

Entire Ireland rugby team decides not to 'take the knee' before Six Nations tie against Wales | The Irish Post

NOT ONE Ireland player decided to 'take the knee' before Sunday's match against Wales at the Prin...

www.irishpost.com

I've seen on other forums, e.g. EPL forums, people wondering whether it is time for EPL players to stop bending the knee before each match.

Does anybody know if the AFL (and / or AFLPA) has already released a statement about their plans on this front for 2021?

And what do you think: should bending the knee become an ingrained part of the AFL, and happen before every game from now on?

Or do you want to see the AFL reduce its overt support for the BLM political movement?

Another bit of seppo bullshit that we don't need in our game !!!

 

[Schneebly11]

I am sick of the afl and its clubs getting involved in polotics.
Totally support the afl helping with disseases sicknesses ie Maddy the saints vs tigers game, pies vs dees neale daniher , breast cancer.pink round i love it.
Special days like anzac days. Indiginous round all this is great.
Even a round in regards to no tollerance for racism
But bending your knees every round give me a break, whats next every quater? we are not the u.s.a .
Personally for me the sports and polotics should not mix i am sick of it.
Celebtating sexual orientation, genders should be done in other enviroments and places. I do not see the logic in doing it during a footy game or any sports game.

So basically you do love politics in sport, just the politics you support.....

 

[Tarkyn_24]

it may be bend a knee to BLM tomorrow it may be bend over to vaccines etc ...

Good guy Sammy Mitchell really was a trailblazer in a vaccine appreciation context

 

[sammm]

getting tired of politics in sport. No from me.

And a no from me

 

[telsor]

Any player supporting BLM should put their money where their mouth is and voluntarily surrender any income above the average to the state for redistribution.

 

[Drought Break]

“Advance Australia Fair” only became the official national anthem in 1984. Since then the only time the “diggers fought for Australia” was the disastrous invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were Australian soldiers showed great skills in “dropping c**ts” who were unarmed in cold blood.

Why the f should I respect any of that?

And I’ll go one step further, who gives a f what happened 100 years ago? I don’t give a f about some Australians running up some sand dunes in Turkey trying to invade a country that had never threatened us because it has no effect on my life today. I didn’t know those people and they didn’t know me. How could some people long dead and buried be upset by my choosing to sing a silly national theme song or pick my nose or fart or kneel down or whatever?

It’s dead people’s baggage. Leave it in the past where it belongs.

have you heard of the kokoda campaign?. Buna, Gona and many other pacific islands to stop an advancing Japanese army?. In hindsight they probably should not have bothered if this is the lack of respect they receive for the efforts for people of your ilk.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Every white person should kneel. That's the point. Its not about 'freedom'. Freedom comes from accepting your white skin has made you evil!

If you say so.

 

[Schneebly11]

have you heard of the kokoda campaign?. Buna, Gona and many other pacific islands to stop an advancing Japanese army?. In hindsight they probably should not have bothered if this is the lack of respect they receive for the efforts for people of your ilk.

Yeah I could foresee a comment like this coming.

Proposed Japanese invasion of Australia during World War II - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Former Head of the Centre for Historical Research at the National Museum of Australia Dr Peter Stanley has been critical of the oft-repeated, widespread myth that Japan intended to invade Australia, commenting "the invasion myth helps justify the parochial view Australians took of their war effort.

We never had enough troops to [invade Australia]. We had already far out-stretched our lines of communication. We did not have the armed strength or the supply facilities to mount such a terrific extension of our already over-strained and too thinly spread forces. We expected to occupy all New Guinea, to maintain Rabaul as a holding base, and to raid Northern Australia by air. But actual physical invasion—no, at no time - Japanese PM Tojo.

Don’t use that “how dare you disrespect our diggers” line on me. It’s mindless nationalism, it shuts down debate and free speech. You do whatever you want, but when you mandate nationalistic worship of soldiers that’s where I draw a line.

Why shouldn’t I remember the brave indigenous soldiers who defended Australia against the British Invasion as equal to an Anzac? Why shouldn’t I remember the Viet Cong fighting the foreign invading Australians in their country? Or an Afghani farmer fighting Australian SAS troops murdering his family members? Or a Turk defending his homeland against foreign invaders? What about a Japanese soldier defending their homeland in Okinawa 1945?

I don’t care what uniform the soldiers were wearing because I don’t care about symbolism, flags or nationalism. To me a soldier dying in war with an Australian uniform is equivalent to the other side. To paraphrase George Carlin - “all these things like flags, anthems, “honouring the troops”, I consider them to be symbols and I leave them to the symbol minded”....

 

[Bicko]

Didn't the diggers fight for our freedom? Including the freedom to kneel in protest?

No, the diggers fought for the British Empire along side France and Russia, to stop rise of Germany as a European power and also take advantage of a weakened Ottomon Empire.

 

[Drought Break]

Yeah I could foresee a comment like this coming.

Proposed Japanese invasion of Australia during World War II - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Former Head of the Centre for Historical Research at the National Museum of Australia Dr Peter Stanley has been critical of the oft-repeated, widespread myth that Japan intended to invade Australia, commenting "the invasion myth helps justify the parochial view Australians took of their war effort.

We never had enough troops to [invade Australia]. We had already far out-stretched our lines of communication. We did not have the armed strength or the supply facilities to mount such a terrific extension of our already over-strained and too thinly spread forces. We expected to occupy all New Guinea, to maintain Rabaul as a holding base, and to raid Northern Australia by air. But actual physical invasion—no, at no time - Japanese PM Tojo.

Don’t use that “how dare you disrespect our diggers” line on me. It’s mindless nationalism, it shuts down debate and free speech. You do whatever you want, but when you mandate nationalistic worship of soldiers that’s where I draw a line.

Why shouldn’t I remember the brave indigenous soldiers who defended Australia against the British Invasion as equal to an Anzac? Why shouldn’t I remember the Viet Cong fighting the foreign invading Australians in their country? Or an Afghani farmer fighting Australian SAS troops murdering his family members? Or a Turk defending his homeland against foreign invaders? What about a Japanese soldier defending their homeland in Okinawa 1945?

I don’t care what uniform the soldiers were wearing because I don’t care about symbolism, flags or nationalism. To me a soldier dying in war with an Australian uniform is equivalent to the other side. To paraphrase George Carlin - “all these things like flags, anthems, “honouring the troops”, I consider them to be symbols and I leave them to the symbol minded”....

So you stated that you cant give a F about something that happened 100 years ago but more than happy to remember and pay respect to the brave indigenous "soldiers" who fought against a British invasion?. When did these battles occur?.

So Japan sent forces to PNG for what?. There vast resources? If you research military history it was the battles of Guadacana and the Coral sea that stopped Japan from taking Port Moresby, PNG and then Australia.

And I took the liberty to research Dr Peter Stanley who's claims have been widely disputed.

 

[Bicko]

Yeah I could foresee a comment like this coming.

Proposed Japanese invasion of Australia during World War II - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Former Head of the Centre for Historical Research at the National Museum of Australia Dr Peter Stanley has been critical of the oft-repeated, widespread myth that Japan intended to invade Australia, commenting "the invasion myth helps justify the parochial view Australians took of their war effort.

We never had enough troops to [invade Australia]. We had already far out-stretched our lines of communication. We did not have the armed strength or the supply facilities to mount such a terrific extension of our already over-strained and too thinly spread forces. We expected to occupy all New Guinea, to maintain Rabaul as a holding base, and to raid Northern Australia by air. But actual physical invasion—no, at no time - Japanese PM Tojo.

Don’t use that “how dare you disrespect our diggers” line on me. It’s mindless nationalism, it shuts down debate and free speech. You do whatever you want, but when you mandate nationalistic worship of soldiers that’s where I draw a line.

Why shouldn’t I remember the brave indigenous soldiers who defended Australia against the British Invasion as equal to an Anzac? Why shouldn’t I remember the Viet Cong fighting the foreign invading Australians in their country? Or an Afghani farmer fighting Australian SAS troops murdering his family members? Or a Turk defending his homeland against foreign invaders? What about a Japanese soldier defending their homeland in Okinawa 1945?

I don’t care what uniform the soldiers were wearing because I don’t care about symbolism, flags or nationalism. To me a soldier dying in war with an Australian uniform is equivalent to the other side. To paraphrase George Carlin - “all these things like flags, anthems, “honouring the troops”, I consider them to be symbols and I leave them to the symbol minded”....

Good to know someone else out there feels this way.

 

[Obeanie1]

But why? How does it take away from your pride in your country?

By being asked / forced to kneel for an organisation (BLM) you don't respect or believe in.

Kneeling is a form of servitude. You kneel to a master or to God.

People can support anti racism and not be forced / asked to kneel.

 

[Schneebly11]

By being asked / forced to kneel for an organisation (BLM) you don't respect or believe in.

Kneeling is a form of servitude. You kneel to a master or to God.

People can support anti racism and not be forced / asked to kneel.

I wouldn’t want any AFL player to be forced to kneel before game, it’s a free choice and whether they do so or not is entirely up to them and shouldn’t have an effect on their career or livelihood either way.

But by the same token if a player refuses to sing or be on the field when the national anthem is played or if a player refuses to observe the minute’s silence on Anzac Day again that’s their choice and if they choose not to they shouldn’t face any backlash.

But, as I’ve said before, those who would defend the rights of players not to kneel probably wouldn’t be so keen on defending players who don’t observe the minute's silence.

 

[Schneebly11]

So you stated that you cant give a F about something that happened 100 years ago but more than happy to remember and pay respect to the brave indigenous "soldiers" who fought against a British invasion?.

No I didn’t say that. You’re straw-manning. But if we are going to start glorifying soldiers it makes more sense to glorify Indigenous Australians who fought off foreign invaders rather than Anzacs who invaded a country that was not threatening Australia.

You do you. You want to observe Anzac Day and cheer on our troops go right ahead. But don’t you dare start demanding others think the same.

And a bit hard to dispute the words of the former Japanese Prime Minister when he said the Japanese never intended to invade Australia during the war is it?

 

[Drought Break]

No I didn’t say that. You’re straw-manning.

You do you. You want to observe Anzac Day and cheer on our troops go right ahead. But don’t you dare start demanding others think the same.

And a bit hard to dispute the words of the former Japanese Prime Minister when he said the Japanese never intended to invade Australia during the war is it?

you did say that. I dont care what you or anyone does on Anzac day. I will however call out disrespectful idiots who have no respect for fallen soldiers. Imagine if someone said they could not give a F about aboriginal massacres over a hundred years ago.

And Japanase soldiers went over the Kokoda trail for the sheer enjoyment of it?. I have done the trail, hard yakka indeed.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yeah I could foresee a comment like this coming.

Proposed Japanese invasion of Australia during World War II - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Former Head of the Centre for Historical Research at the National Museum of Australia Dr Peter Stanley has been critical of the oft-repeated, widespread myth that Japan intended to invade Australia, commenting "the invasion myth helps justify the parochial view Australians took of their war effort.

We never had enough troops to [invade Australia]. We had already far out-stretched our lines of communication. We did not have the armed strength or the supply facilities to mount such a terrific extension of our already over-strained and too thinly spread forces. We expected to occupy all New Guinea, to maintain Rabaul as a holding base, and to raid Northern Australia by air. But actual physical invasion—no, at no time - Japanese PM Tojo.

Don’t use that “how dare you disrespect our diggers” line on me. It’s mindless nationalism, it shuts down debate and free speech. You do whatever you want, but when you mandate nationalistic worship of soldiers that’s where I draw a line.

Why shouldn’t I remember the brave indigenous soldiers who defended Australia against the British Invasion as equal to an Anzac? Why shouldn’t I remember the Viet Cong fighting the foreign invading Australians in their country? Or an Afghani farmer fighting Australian SAS troops murdering his family members? Or a Turk defending his homeland against foreign invaders? What about a Japanese soldier defending their homeland in Okinawa 1945?

I don’t care what uniform the soldiers were wearing because I don’t care about symbolism, flags or nationalism. To me a soldier dying in war with an Australian uniform is equivalent to the other side. To paraphrase George Carlin - “all these things like flags, anthems, “honouring the troops”, I consider them to be symbols and I leave them to the symbol minded”....

If anyone thinks Japan was not going to invade Australia at some point they are stupid.

Australia had pretty well nothing to stop them. Japan could have sailed into Darwin harbour unopposed after some carrier based bombing.

And if Japan had won WWII well things would have been VERY different for Australias indigenous peoples.

But that didn't happen. It was stopped by men and women in uniform, many who paid the ultimate price. So we can enjoy the freedom we have now.

So if you don't have any respect for them and their sacrifices then you are a idiot.

 

[Tiger08]

If you say so.

Thanks but kneeling is just a start.. Its just the start of the conversation we need to be having about racial justice and intersectionality with all historically oppressed peoples at the hands, guns and other organs of the evil white man.

Martin Luther King's dream was wrong. There should be no future where his children get judged on character and not skin colour. They should be judged on skin colour first!! Then by gender (not sex) and sexual preference. Don't just aim to treat people equally.. who do you think you are!? Its racist, sexist and oppressive!