Should Cotchin and Ellis get off because it is grand final next week?

[Aramis]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-24/five-questions-for-the-mrp-on-cotchin-clash

Will be deemed as "contesting the ball with no alternative", they will say "he didn't elect to bump, just to contest the football".
You saw it here first ^

Good, I don't care if technicalities are used so that a club captain can take part in Grand Final day... I'd be saying the same for Sloane so there is no bias here. The AFL cant afford Cotchin to not be out there, it will be a "football act"

 

[JoondalupJ]

My point stands...If you're going to look to put others down, try not leaving yourself wide open with stupid grammar errors. Makes you look like a fool.

And not sure what the reference to 37 is. You now have a counting issue??

Is this argument on camera, both of you are out next week! Maths and English terrible!
Whats the world coming to.

 

[Vindicater]

Cotchin went the bump and clear move.

It is a move that happens multiple times a game and is a football move to win the ball from someone who arrives slightly before you do to the ball.

His problem is that he got Shiel high.

Accidental for sure but still high impact.

AFL will get him off however so Cotchin will be fine.

 

[BTs Nana]

My point stands...If you're going to look to put others down, try not leaving yourself wide open with stupid grammar errors. Makes you look like a fool.

And not sure what the reference to 37 is. You now have a counting issue??

Well that just proves you aren't the cleverest cookie in the cookie jar (That mystery cookie thief should've stolen you!).

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

Prepare to be surprised then. He chose to play the man. He hit him high. He's gone.

Sloane gone as well then?

 

[Brentmeister]

Astbury obviously wont be suspended, neither will Cotchin. Ellis might be, but they will probably just fine him because its a GF. Now obviously you are clear that Cotchin should be suspended, but what do you actually believe will happen? Because I dont think there is any chance at all that Cotch will miss next week.

I think Cotchin should be suspended, based on his poor record in particular. He accepted early pleas twice this year in order to avoid suspension. He took the risk of carrying points into the finals. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. It sucks, but the AFL have put a big emphasis on protecting the head against bumps. Cotchin could have played directly for the ball or waited to pin Shiel in a tackle. He decided to take option 3, which was to fly in with a bump and hit Shiel in the head.

What do I think will happen? No one in the MRP will have the guts to suspend him so they'll find some way to get him off.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Sloane gone as well then?

Worst case: Impact, low. $ Fine. No.

 

[Brentmeister]

Sloane gone as well then?

Different scenario. Sloane was going in for a tackle/smother and Danger ran into Sloane's shoulder as the latter tried to protect himself in the split second before contact. Cotchin chose to bump and lined him up during the 4-5 metre dash to the contest. Also, Sloane does not have 2 strikes hanging over his head.

 

[banzai]

What do I think will happen? No one in the MRP will have the guts to suspend him so they'll find some way to get him off.

I agree.

On the the carry over points, or the fine system, its stupid as its not the players fault that he can accept the fine, why should have to challenge a fine, just to be suspended, to clear his record so he can be fined again in finals. But again it wont matter as the AFL can just make up anything on the go.

 

[Aramis]

The part thats so frustrating is the best and most desperate players... Cotchin and Sloane who are just playing rough and tough footy which the crowd loves to see are a chance of being rubbed out for the big one... its such a joke...

 

[Ancient Tiger]

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When he launched himself at the ball he hadn't gained clear possession. You can't look at the last one thousandth of a second frame. That's not how it happens in real life.

 

[King Of The Hille]

Prepare to be surprised then. He chose to play the man. He hit him high. He's gone.

We will see tomorow afternoon.

I hope for the AFL's sake, it's cleared.

 

[Starchild78]

As a Crows supporter....if Cotch gets rubbed out for that.....our game is stuffed.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

Different scenario. Sloane was going in for a tackle/smother and Danger ran into Sloane's shoulder as the latter tried to protect himself in the split second before contact. Cotchin chose to bump and lined him up during the 4-5 metre dash to the contest. Also, Sloane does not have 2 strikes hanging over his head.

Cotchin also went in as low as possible, and ended up with the ball... Sloane did neither.


I don't think either should be cited, both incidental.

 

[Andrew Mc]

We will see tomorow afternoon.

I hope for the AFL's sake, it's cleared.

Yeah, all good. I hope for the AFL's sake, he's suspended. If not, it's integrity will be unrecoverable.

 

[kickazz]

Yeah, all good. I hope for the AFL's sake, he's suspended. If not, it's integrity will be unrecoverable.

One cannot recover that which one never had.

 

[the big lebowski]

Look at the clip where he has the ball.

He is neither hard at it, nor protecting himself.

It looks as if he doesn't want it.

IMO Cotchin benefited from getting to the ball second. Shiel didn't have the luxury of having a body to smash into by getting to the footy second. I think Cotchin was trying to win the footy by smashing into Shiel. But he did it in a way that could cause injury and I think Shiel with his head over a bobbling footy should be entitled to a bit of protection.

 

[Scotland]

If Cotchin gets suspended it must be for this incident alone.

Missing a GF for an accumulation of minor offences under a three strikes rule would be stupid.

Them's the rules, though.

If Cotchin had a good record, he could be found guilty and get off with a fine and people would say 'yeah that's fair enough, he's got a good record and you'd hate to see him miss a GF for that'. Now they have to manufacture a 'no case to answer' result for him to play.

The AFL have created this mess because Cotchin should've been suspended already.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

Yeah, all good. I hope for the AFL's sake, he's suspended. If not, it's integrity will be unrecoverable.

Oh well I guess you'll have to delete your account and give up on the AFL.

 

[Tiger08]

IMO Cotchin benefited from getting to the ball second. Shiel didn't have the luxury of having a body to smash into by getting to the footy second. I think Cotchin was trying to win the footy by smashing into Shiel. But he did it in a way that could cause injury and I think Shiel with his head over a bobbling footy should be entitled to a bit of protection.

Except we don't know if he got concussion from Cotch or Astbury.. Shiel kept playing pretty well until the Astbury bump. It didn't hit him in the head, but having copped A couple myself, you don't necessarily need to get hit in the head to get concussion.

 

[kickazz]

When he launched himself at the ball he hadn't gained clear possession. .

To be fair he launched himself at the man first, not the ball.

 

[kickazz]

Except we don't know if he got concussion from Cotch or Astbury.. Shiel kept playing pretty well until the Astbury bump. It didn't hit him in the head, but having copped A couple myself, you don't necessarily need to get hit in the head to get concussion.

No we don't know for sure. Balance of probabilities suggests the knock on the point of the chin did it though.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Well that just proves you aren't the cleverest cookie in the cookie jar (That mystery cookie thief should've stolen you!).

Yeah you've got me. Wow...what a retort.

Life's too short to bother oneself with kiddies with a superiority complex.

 

[thebarry111]

Except we don't know if he got concussion from Cotch or Astbury.. Shiel kept playing pretty well until the Astbury bump. It didn't hit him in the head, but having copped A couple myself, you don't necessarily need to get hit in the head to get concussion.

The bump clearly got him in the head.

Look at this from another point of view.

AFL's number one priority is to stop head knocks. Probably top of the list is front on contact. Player a has his head down over the ball, player b comes in from the front and decides to bump. Player a goes off with concussion. Under the precedents set their is no way he gets off.

The whole MRP needs to be reviewed. Rules are too vague and too open to interpretation. Hopefully this is the last straw and the whole thing gets scrapped over the off season and re-done

 

[marty36]

When he launched himself at the ball he hadn't gained clear possession. You can't look at the last one thousandth of a second frame. That's not how it happens in real life.

You are clutching at straws, it as a clear bump whilst Shiels had the ball it really shoudnt be disputed , the whole football following public has seen enough of these incidents by now to know exactly where the MRP sit on it.

The AFL will now need to make a call on the governance of the game and if let off will set a precedence which is fine, but all clubs will need to be dealt the same way regardless of if round 6 or Prelim final, policy and procedure doesnt lend itself to occasion especially OH and S

Its in the AFL's court now, if they go how the rule has been dealt with historically he will definetly go, if they wont to sent a precedence then they can let him off but all players regardless of when will need to be let off in the futire