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Or it could be an instance of a player being over-hyped and therefore overrated on bigfooty? Mathieson isn't in the same league as Parish or Weitering.
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Or it could be an instance of a player being over-hyped and therefore overrated on bigfooty? Mathieson isn't in the same league as Parish or Weitering.
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Perhaps, although bigfooty seem to rate Mathieson inline with the media. I guess the recruiters could see it differently however that contradicts my earlier argument.
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Yes well done to the media for getting the draft order right a day beforehand once all their contacts told them what was happening. Dat journalism.
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Well considering the media use bigfooty as reference point half the time it's hardly surprising. Self fulfilling.
IMO, he's a 3rd or 4th string mid. So I guess if you think that that warrants a top 10 pick then that's fine, just don't agree.
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Yeah I'm a fan. Had him in my top 10 pre-champs but 3 mediocre games gave me some ?s - didn't really step it up or impose in any of the games until today. I don't place much stock in results v WA but you can only beat what's in front of you. I suspect with some good performances I'll look for any excuse to rocket him up my rankings.
He's got some real pace, not electric but he's quick and agility wise he's solid - also has those evasive moves you melt for. With ball in hand he's got some real class and composure and really creates and sets things up. Every element of his kicking is solid - decision making, vision, creativity, technique, composure. In traffic he's good by foot too. Willingness to break the lines. Work rate solid. Runs both ways, tackling is good in both intensity and technique. Goal sense is good, positions himself well and executes well especially under pressure. On the inside he's not elite but there's signs, can win his own ball and a clearance. Issue is again his performance in the big time but not only that he's very good at a lot of things but elite at none. I like him but at this stage he's a bit of a Parish-lite or even a Partington-lite.
Certainly one of the better mids. Top 5-10 mid in the open draft no doubt.
LOL ... thanks for that Sk... so a player who you bring in and just becomes a solid member of the side, sort how Lang has for us. Before you know it he is a regular. Height an issue? Seems to be a preference for the taller player but Gregson has shown that height is only one factor.
Thanks for your work enjoy your Resource approach
Skippos, are we starting to see a real separation of a top 7 players (not including academy). Partington, Collins, Dunkley & Parish pulling ahead on the others. IMO Dunkley goes open draft and choses to not go F/S.
Would there be others in that top 7 conversation?
There appear to be almost 20 players that could be drafted after pick 10 that are all have best 22 potential but more the 17-22 player. Is this how you are seeing this draft too?
Would there be others in that top 7 conversation?
There appear to be almost 20 players that could be drafted after pick 10 that are all have best 22 potential but more the 17-22 player. Is this how you are seeing this draft too?
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Cheers for the kind words. It's the best way to describe him - he's a very similar player in that non pure wingman style classy outside midfielder who has some sort of inside game, just a weaker version. The resource approach makes sense - people don't come here for the phantom/mock purely - some come for the power rankings or the profiles. It's more than just a phantom - and I plan to branch out and expand on those three facets of the thread this year and get some more information going that isn't just rankings, profiles or phantoms. Graphs, infographics, comparisons - that kind of stuff. Hopefully making it more of a resource.
He's someone who definitely seems likely to be a role player at worst but perhaps a Shane Edwards type could be what I'd be hoping for. Height is far less of an issue on the outside types - certainly target forwards and inside mids need that size but if you're hanging outside the contest it's not imperative that you've got an imposing and powerful body like it is for the insiders. That said, I'm unsure of his proper height. I've read him measured at 186 cm but also seen another measurement at 180 cm. That 6 cm is probably the equivalent of 1-2 spots in my power rankings max, but depending on the real number it could be a minor knock on him.
Height is grossly, grossly overrated in every dimension of football aside from ruckwork, defense relative to the size of your opponent and the pure inside mids. Wouldn't read much into it for flankers and outsiders, talent and athleticism are things worth far more stock I reckon.
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In the open draft and *if* we're including Dunkley (I'm unsure what he does. He's behind Mills as a player so it's a case of A) whether Sydney can afford him and B) if he wants it) I think the clear top tier is Weitering, Schache, Francis, Parish, Parto, Dunkley, Tucker, Collins and Mathieson. So I've got a top 9. The top 3 are clearly above while the next 6 aren't 'close' as such, there are small gaps between them. Players like Weideman (who I don't rate, but I can see it happening), Clarke, Burton (depends on a variety of factors), Bonner, Ah Chee, Curnow and Balic are the six I could conceivably see pushing into that group depending on the rest of the season. It's far from a set top echelon but I'd probably say right now it's clearly defined.
That said, I'm a little concerned that seemingly everyone has the same blokes in the top echelon. There does seem to be a real groupthink forming here which is never good.
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Most certainly do, just not sure where. Hard as nails inside leaning mid/fwd. buys in, does the team things, puts his head over the ball and wins it but isn't perhaps as pure a ball winner as some. Can hurt of the outside but still needs growth. Hasn't had a top tier champs but has shown enough to confirm my judgement of him. He's someone whose strength lies in the subtle things he does at this level, not the highlight plays.
Pre champs I had him second round. Now I think he's a late second/early third talent but reckon he's probably going to go late-rookie if anything.
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Skip, who do you like more, Partington, or Parish? And who do you think will be the better player
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Parish and Parish
I favour upside and class. Partington looks good but i think lacks the spacial awareness and composure to be a truly dominant player, more a 4-7 player on a list. I've seen enough from Parish to think that he could be more of a game changer at the highest level.
It's close, and I favour partington's clearance work and running patterns, but I prefer parish.
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Love reading your insight Skippos.
Does Schache compare favourably/unfavourably w other recent talls, Boyd, McCartin, Patton, etc?
Does Schache compare favourably/unfavourably w other recent talls, Boyd, McCartin, Patton, etc?
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I'll be editing it every week from here on in - however I'd like to see if I can obtain some footage from the WA/VM game before I do my update. Assuming I don't notice anything I'm not expecting to in that game, I'll give you a sneak preview of the top 20 that'll be edited in this week
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Purely as juniors I favour Boyd and Patton to Schache. It's hard to emphasise just how freakishly good those two were. Patton's knees is a tragedy of the sport as I doubt he'll reach the high he could have. Both had clear potential to be the #1 KPF in the game. Both still could.
I certainly favour Schache to McCartin though. In a few ways he's a 'Boyd-lite' with his physical presence, leading patters, contesed marking and size just all slightly down on Boyd. His ability below the knees is considerably better than Boyd, in fact, it's better than any key forward of that size. It's Joe Daniher-esque. He's also more switched on and spacially aware with some good reflexes which is a massive plus. But I just don't feel he's *as* dominant as Boyd/Patton. I think he'll be a gun though, he's someone you can build a side around and now my #2 in the crop.
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It was on replay from 11-1 today on Fox FootyI'll be editing it every week from here on in - however I'd like to see if I can obtain some footage from the WA/VM game before I do my update. Assuming I don't notice anything I'm not expecting to in that game, I'll give you a sneak preview of the top 20 that'll be edited in this week
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Hey mate, when can we expect an update on your mock draft?
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I'll be editing it every week from here on in - however I'd like to see if I can obtain some footage from the WA/VM game before I do my update. Assuming I don't notice anything I'm not expecting to in that game, I'll give you a sneak preview of the top 20 that'll be edited in this week
No Ah Chee?
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Yeah, unfortunately I was at the SA/VC game live (felt more could be gained from going to that game than watching the replay...judgment call) so missed it.
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Over the next two weeks. With the div 1 break I'm going into profile mode, beginning to develop these profiles and nail down the power rankings. I'll likely update the phantom but, like last time - it'll just be screenshots of a notepad file with explanations on request. A full, explained and detailed mock comes after the champs.
Nope. He's talented but I've never liked his sort of player - there's an issue with work rate and players with poor work rate suffer in my rankings. Yet to see anything to indicate that he'll be anything more than a solid goal sneak who applies pressure when motivated too. Rarely prolific in front of goal, rarely accumulates much, occasionally hurts but he's not the kind of player who I've seen as BOG off 15-20 touches. He's overrated.
