Smoking Outside the Ground - Time to be banned

[Franc de Borges]

Why don't they just ban smoking altogether? It is such a joke. Cigarettes are legal but there are only a few places on earth where you can smoke them.

Surely you're not serious?

 

[kickazz]

Meat pies, sausage rolls MSG filled chips, takeaway and alcohol should all be banned they are all cancer causing.

Also MSG is fine really, can cause headaches for a small minority. It's the salt that's bad for you. If using MSG means less salt them is probably a good thing.

But I digress.

 

[Sttew]

Also MSG is fine really, can cause headaches for a small minority. It's the salt that's bad for you. If using MSG means less salt them is probably a good thing.

But I digress.

No MSG at the MCG

 

[mehow2g]

Also MSG is fine really, can cause headaches for a small minority. It's the salt that's bad for you. If using MSG means less salt them is probably a good thing.

But I digress.

Salt is bad now? better tell the surfers.

 

[Monkey King]

Lame reason. Alcohol has a far more devastating impact on peoples lives than second hand smoking does.

On this note, in a comparison using the research used to make the earlier claim of a $31.5b healthcare cost of smoking - which turned out to only be $318m - alcohol is a $1.9b burden on healthcare, a further $2.2b considering road accidents and $1.4b cost relating to crime. Meanwhile, the net tax revenue of alcohol vs cost borne by the public sector at State level is in deficit to the tune of $387m; compared to cigarettes having an $800m surplus.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I love me smokes

 

[Cudi_420]

On this note, in a comparison using the research used to make the earlier claim of a $31.5b healthcare cost of smoking - which turned out to only be $318m - alcohol is a $1.9b burden on healthcare, a further $2.2b considering road accidents and $1.4b cost relating to crime. Meanwhile, the net tax revenue of alcohol vs cost borne by the public sector at State level is in deficit to the tune of $387m; compared to cigarettes having an $800m surplus.

The only thing better than a rational response to drown out the hysterical cry babies screaming "CANCER" because they breath in a little smoke, is a cigarette.

Seriously though I don't even smoke and I hate the hysteria around cigarettes. What's funny is that in 20 years we're going to be able to walk into a store to buy weed but smoking will be effectively wiped out.

I know it's different because Marijuana has actual benefits, but it still acts as a vice for a majority of those that smoke it, and it has similarly far reaching physical affects as well as mental concerns related to usage.

The UK, Australia and some US states are just going overboard when it comes to cigarettes. Imo the more logical option would be to ban it outright from areas where people are eating, which they have, and designate areas at public spaces where people can smoke.

But what they've done here is ban them from one area, and then said, "GO ON THE GRASS!"

WHAT happens next is some numpty complains on social media, it goes viral, a debate kicks off, and then Yarra Council greenies ban smoking on council parks. It will happen. 100%.

 

[Masqualero]

Got no problem with people smoking outside but people shouldn't be allowed to smoke directly outside of the gates. My son loves going for a kick at the breaks and we have to navigate through a cloud of stinking smoke each time he wants to play . Move the smokers so people can use the gates without the smoke and the problem is solved.

BTW the false equivalency being spouted in this thread is pretty funny. Drinking a Coke or eating a Big Mac doesn't directly affect other people. Smoking does. That's why it was banned from restaurants, pubs, etc.

Fat people slow down the crowd and block fire exits.

 

[DemonTim]

Whinging about Having to walk an extra 10m for a smoke is probably the best example I've ever seen of a first world problem

 

[Mister_A]

On this note, in a comparison using the research used to make the earlier claim of a $31.5b healthcare cost of smoking - which turned out to only be $318m

You were definitely right to pull me up, but my numbers were not incorrect, I was just being stupid for repeatedly saying healthcare when I was trying to talk about society as a whole as the original source does. Your number is simply the the tangible social costs on healthcare alone of smoking as drug abuse, and includes close to $180m credit from people not living long enough to enter aged care. Smoking costs society far more than $318m. If you want to make this a debate purely about direct healthcare costs then sure, but that isn't the reality of the world we live in and I should have worded that better before. I would grant you that they rely on estimates to meet the $31.5bil including the emotional impact of loosing loved ones early, the impact to the workforce, etc., so that number wouldn't be entirely accurate as those measurements would be incredibly hard to come up with. However, my point stands.

Meanwhile, the net tax revenue of alcohol vs cost borne by the public sector at State level is in deficit to the tune of $387m; compared to cigarettes having an $800m surplus.

Again, these are numbers that figure into the public system only, not overall cost to society. The tangible costs alone still add up to $12b when including crime and the direct impacts on the labour both at home and at work. It seems that the government continues to make a surplus through taxation against the direct costs on the public system, but society as a whole still comes off second best.

 

[Mister_A]

Lame reason. Alcohol has a far more devastating impact on peoples lives than second hand smoking does.

Alcohol should and is also restricted to certain places like bars only, so I don't see the point here. No one is calling for alcohol to dbe consumed anywhere and everywhere, why is it not the same for tobacco?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

I blow my smoke in the face of people like you for shit, and giggles.

No you don't tough guy.

 

[joy division]

I'd rather have alcohol banned at games. I'm much more inconvenienced by pissed twats making me get up and down in my seat and shouting stupid shit all game.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I am a smoker and am generally very hesitant in smoking in public areas, as I know there's a lot of people that like fresh air and not the smell of smoke, which is fair enough.

But after a gut full of beer at the footy and my team getting belted that all goes out the window, and I'll smoke in public where I damn well please... and you best not say a damn word about it!

The fallacy that you can live in Melbourne and attend stadiums surrounded by some of Melbourne's busiest roads, and within a few kilometres of the black smoke pouring out of the industrial yards around Port Phillip Bay - and still somehow be breathing "fresh air" is the most ridiculous of all the anti-smoking arguments narcs make.

 

[DemonTim]

The fallacy that you can live in Melbourne and attend stadiums surrounded by some of Melbourne's busiest roads, and within a few kilometres of the black smoke pouring out of the industrial yards around Port Phillip Bay - and still somehow be breathing "fresh air" is the most ridiculous of all the anti-smoking arguments narcs make.

Lol
"There's other pollution so you can't say you don't want to be around cigarette smoke"

 

[nobbyiscool]

Lol
"There's other pollution so you can't say you don't want to be around cigarette smoke"

Are you that dense that you didn't even read the premise of the post I was replying to?

The post literally spoke about people "liking fresh air."

There's no such ****ing thing as fresh air in a city of 4 million people.

 

[DemonTim]

Are you that dense that you didn't even read the premise of the post I was replying to?

The post literally spoke about people "liking fresh air."

There's no such ******* thing as fresh air in a city of 4 million people.

I would say you just ignore context of the post. You've decided him saying "fresh air" must mean air with absolutely zero pollutants, whereas it quite clearly, you know with context, is a discussion of "fresh air" meaning the absence of cigarette smoke.

Wouldn't be telling others to read and calling them dense kiddo. Take your own advice, and if you need help understanding contextual clues, maybe ask next time.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I would say you just ignore context of the post. You've decided him saying "fresh air" must mean air with absolutely zero pollutants, whereas it quite clearly, you know with context, is a discussion of "fresh air" meaning the absence of cigarette smoke.

Wouldn't be telling others to read and calling them dense kiddo. Take your own advice, and if you need help understanding contextual clues, maybe ask next time.

The irony is that I'm actually a really "respectful smoker" myself 99% of the time.

I didn't complain when they said you can't smoke in pubs. I didn't complain when they said you can't smoke in cars with kids. I didn't even complain when this week they said you can't smoke in outdoor eating areas that, in many cases, were built (at great expense to proprietors) in response to anti-smoking laws. Cos I don't smoke in those places anyway.

But the notion that passive smoking will kill you, or the the smell of cigarettes will kills you - cos it's the smell that most people react to - when you live in a city built on carbon monoxide (and when you spend 16 hours a day with a radiation-emitting mobile phone within a foot of your brain or your old fella, and/or when you accept and partake in a drinking culture that results in infinitely more violence and traffic related deaths than cigarettes ever could) is beyond ridiculous.

Where do you draw the line on what's an acceptable whinge and what isn't? I sliced my hand open cutting a pumpkin a few months ago on a Sunday, so I waited 4 hours in an emergency room to get stitches. Among the people that went in ahead of me are people whose hearts have exploded because they eat Mcdonalds 4 times a week. Among the people that went in ahead of me were people who'd had car accidents because they were texting. Among the people that went in ahead of me were kids who'd fallen off playground equipment cos their parents weren't paying attention.

So do I now have the right to whinge about people eating obesity-causing, shit food? Do I have the right to whinge about people using mobile phones? Do I have the right to whinge about other peoples kids (and the fact that, through my taxes, I'm paying more for the existence of their kids than they could ever repay me in public health)?

No?

I don't either. But these ****ing idiots caused me 4 hours of inconvenience. I caused you 4 seconds of inconvenience as we walked past each other.

So why is it acceptable to vilify smokers if you're not going to vilify car users, shit eaters, phone users or children/parents?

 

[DemonTim]

The irony is that I'm actually a really "respectful smoker" myself 99% of the time.

I didn't complain when they said you can't smoke in pubs. I didn't complain when they said you can't smoke in cars with kids. I didn't even complain when this week they said you can't smoke in outdoor eating areas that, in many cases, were built (at great expense to proprietors) in response to anti-smoking laws. Cos I don't smoke in those places anyway.

But the notion that passive smoking will kill you, or the the smell of cigarettes will kills you - cos it's the smell that most people react to - when you live in a city built on carbon monoxide (and when you spend 16 hours a day with a radiation-emitting mobile phone within a foot of your brain or your old fella, and/or when you accept and partake in a drinking culture that results in infinitely more violence and traffic related deaths than cigarettes ever could) is beyond ridiculous.

Where do you draw the line on what's an acceptable whinge and what isn't? I sliced my hand open cutting a pumpkin a few months ago on a Sunday, so I waited 4 hours in an emergency room to get stitches. Among the people that went in ahead of me are people whose hearts have exploded because they eat Mcdonalds 4 times a week. Among the people that went in ahead of me were people who'd had car accidents because they were texting. Among the people that went in ahead of me were kids who'd fallen off playground equipment cos their parents weren't paying attention.

So do I now have the right to whinge about people eating obesity-causing, shit food? Do I have the right to whinge about people using mobile phones? Do I have the right to whinge about other peoples kids (and the fact that, through my taxes, I'm paying more for the existence of their kids than they could ever repay me in public health)?

No?

I don't either. But these ******* idiots caused me 4 hours of inconvenience. I caused you 4 minutes of inconvenience.

So why is it acceptable to vilify smokers if you're not going to vilify car users, shit eaters, phone users or children/parents?

Well this had absolutely zero to do with what I said...

Strange hospital you went to. Why were they telling you the causes of other people's heart attacks and car accidents instead of treating you?

I snapped my finger in half playing footy, the bone popped Through the skin. I was in straight away. Just really sounds like you went to a terrible hospital (or as most hospitals work, your 'injury' was minor and thus you were at the back of triage).

So your rant summed up is you waited four hours in emergency, so people should put up with you smoking near them (but you're actually a polite smoker and don't do it)?

I used to be obese. I was vilified for that. Forgive me if I don't give sympathy for you whinging about people commenting negatively about smoking.

 

[jack son 5]

It's now more socially acceptable for a bloke to smoke a pole than a cigarette.

How times have changed.

 

[DemonTim]

It's now more socially acceptable for a bloke to smoke a pole than a cigarette.

How times have changed.

Yeah. I know so many blokes who are abused and belted by strangers for being smokers

Is big footy legit getting dumber?

 

[Thats Wright]

It's now more socially acceptable for a bloke to smoke a pole than a cigarette.

How times have changed.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-03/get-on-the-grass-mcg-smokers-forced-off-concourse

Smokers to be moved to the grass area.

"Changes to Victoria's Tobacco Act, which came into effect on Tuesday, ban smoking within 10 metres of a food stall or food vendor at organized outdoor events."

There are plenty of spots on the concourse that are more than 10m from a food vendor, especially outside the AFL members area. How do they plan on enforcing this?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Apparently smoking isn't good for you according to a billboard I saw at Sydney airport recently.

Has anyone heard anything different?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Not a smoker and nothing makes me want to puke more than smelling the air after someone has smoked. The less smoking near grounds the better

I smoke occasionally, pretty much the only time I have a smoke these days is at the footy or when I go out drinking (rarely these days). Having said that even I hated walking out at half time a few weeks ago and having to walk through a mob of smokers. I actually had to walk through them to the other side before I'd light up haha.

It is disgusting with everyone gathered around the entranceway and thoroughfare, in addition to kids walking through there you may have people with other respiratory problems or diseases who shouldn't have to put up with that just cos they want to go to the footy