So... a guy got beheaded in front of my office today

[radiojake]

It's pretty sad that Muslims feel like they even have to come out and denounce the attack -

I mean, when Christopher Wayne Hudson shot three people (killing one of them) in broad daylight in Melbourne CBD 6 years ago, I don't recall any white males having to come out and denounce the murder in order to stop people directly associating them with the murder...

 

[Gus Poyet]

It's pretty sad that Muslims feel like they even have to come out and denounce the attack -

I mean, when Christopher Wayne Hudson shot three people (killing one of them) in broad daylight in Melbourne CBD 6 years ago, I don't recall any white males having to come out and denounce the murder in order to stop people directly associating them with the murder...

I'm pretty sure society does denounce Bike Gangs and their members.

Maybe you missed all of that.

 

[radiojake]

I'm pretty sure society does denounce Bike Gangs and their members.

Maybe you missed all of that.

You missed the point of my post

 

[MaddAdam]

There are what.. a million Muslims in London?

Three blew up the Tube a few years back. Two decapitated this poor bloke yesterday. The rest are busy denouncing the attacks.

The guys who attacked London on 7/7 weren't from there. They were the Midlands IIRC. They had to take trains into LOndon to do it.

 

[MaddAdam]

Shocked how Islam could invoke such and acts im sure lol ........ id post a recent youtube vid of one shouting allahu akbar then eating the heart he just chopped out of a dude, but i got in strife last time posting one of the many beheadings they do all shown all over YT. We'll ignore all the grooming, no go zones, rape stats, Boston Bombing, Swedish riots bombing cars ect.... all very recent events.

Im sure all those events come as complete surprise to. I know ive been completely shocked...... nah only kidding sadly.

You do understand that was another Muslim he did it to?

And that he on "our side"?

 

[chestbrah]

You missed the point of my post

Did Christopher Hudson kill in the name of "white males", which was then distributed through the worlds media?

 

[Sydney Bloods]

no, they are now outsourcing tradition CIA roles, gathering intel, assassinations in islamabad, + other responsibilities

Wiki leak emails showed nothing except collecting intel, their were questionable ways of collecting that intel such as money laundering and black mail, as well as concealing their own assets.

But nothing about assassins or "other responsibilities" so where are you getting your information?

 

[Malifice]

Did Christopher Hudson kill in the name of "white males", which was then distributed through the worlds media?

You're thinking of Anders Brevik.

 

[Bremner20]

They sounded like they were born there!

Whether they were born in England or not, they are obviously of some kind of African origin whatever generation that may be ,kind of blows the assimilation, living in harmony in a multicultural society myth right out of the water .

 

[J_Moore]

Totally agree on number 8. Medicine. for example, should be taught at TAFE not uni.

Mate you are having a laugh there. Doctors are actually required to understand why they do things. They're not just technicians, which seems to be a view that's propagated in the Internet age.

 

[Bremner20]

There are what.. a million Muslims in London?

Three blew up the Tube a few years back. Two decapitated this poor bloke yesterday. The rest are busy denouncing the attacks.

The Muslim Council of Britain has denounced the Woolwich murder and has been joined by hundreds of Muslims who have taken to Twitter to voice disgust over the idea that Islam could have been be invoked in such a barbaric act. Here are a few of them:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...british-muslims-denounce-the-woolwich-attack/

I get that not all muslims are terrorists ,it's just that in Australia for e.g we have many minority religious groups as there would be in the UK .We have Buddhists ,Hindus ,Hare Chrishnas ,greek orthodox ,Lutherans ,even scientologists and to date ,none of them have been arrested for a terrorist act or a foiled plot to blow up anybody ,or a violent religious protest only muslims. How can you explain that.Acts like that yesterday of medievil type barbarism all commited in the name of your religion. I would consider myself a moderate roman catholic christian not really that devout ,but if i was and christians started going around doing that sort of thing in the name of the religion i followed ,i would probably have my doubts as to whether i was actually backing the right horse or not.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

I get that not all muslims are terrorists ,it's just that in Australia for e.g we have many minority religious groups as there would be in the UK .We have Buddhists ,Hindus ,Hare Chrishnas ,greek orthodox ,Lutherans ,even scientologists and to date ,none of them have been arrested for a terrorist act or a foiled plot to blow up anybody ,or a violent religious protest only muslims. How can you explain that.Acts like that yesterday of medievil type barbarism all commited in the name of your religion. I would consider myself a moderate roman catholic christian not really that devout ,but if i was and christians started going around doing that sort of thing in the name of the religion i followed ,i would probably have my doubts as to whether i was actually backing the right horse or not.

We aren't at war with Christians, dress it up all you like at the end of the day that's what the war on terror is, its a curb stomp on "Muslim" fundies, and in any war there's bound to be blow back, collateral damage, rules of engagements along with the fog of war and an enemy that doesn't fight head on all combine to make war even messier then it usually is.

Let's be clear they aren't going after just any fundamentalist nutter, only Those who are Muslims. Why in this case is irrelevant, like it or not you target a sub section of a community a certain number of people will see it as targeting the community as a whole, this isn't helped by the fact war is messy, you get into the region of acceptable losses, add in a few soldiers loosing their shit and it makes it harder for the average joe to understand what is going on.

Add elements of distrust of western society in general and its a natural outcome that at least some of the non fundies will be drawn towards the fundies side.

If we'd targeted Rome it would be Christians from violent countries blowing people up, cutting peoples heads off and reinterpreting the bible to support their side of the war, and a certain amount of Christians that grew up here would follow, support and ultimately participate in the terrorist attacks.

 

[radiojake]

. I would consider myself a moderate roman catholic christian not really that devout ,but if i was and christians started going around doing that sort of thing in the name of the religion i followed ,i would probably have my doubts as to whether i was actually backing the right horse or not.

The IRA never made you think twice about being Catholic?

Yeah, didn't think so -

 

[Malifice]

I get that not all muslims are terrorists ,it's just that in Australia for e.g we have many minority religious groups as there would be in the UK .We have Buddhists ,Hindus ,Hare Chrishnas ,greek orthodox ,Lutherans ,even scientologists and to date ,none of them have been arrested for a terrorist act or a foiled plot to blow up anybody ,or a violent religious protest only muslims.

How can you explain that.Acts like that yesterday of medievil type barbarism all commited in the name of your religion. I would consider myself a moderate roman catholic christian not really that devout ,but if i was and christians started going around doing that sort of thing in the name of the religion i followed ,i would probably have my doubts as to whether i was actually backing the right horse or not.

The IRA? They were Catholic.

Religion played a massive part in that one as well.

They were mortaring Heathrow Airport, blowing up busses in London, murdering soldiers and detonating nail bombs downtown while todays Islamic militants were still babies.

To be fair to the 'Muslim extremists' in Britain, they have a long way to go to catch up to the Irish Catholics too.

 

[Malifice]

Whether they were born in England or not, they are obviously of some kind of African origin whatever generation that may be ,kind of blows the assimilation, living in harmony in a multicultural society myth right out of the water .

How so?

Because these particular killers were black... black people don't assimilate?

They sounded more cockney than me, and I'm white!

What about this guy:

Name is Dale Cregan. September last year he gunned down two female coppers for absolutely no reason. None at all. Killed them both. At his trial yesterday he also admitted and plead guilty to the murders of Mark and David Short.

Hows his 'assimilation' going?

Brutal crime is committed by all ethnicities mate. 'Assimilation' or otherwise.

 

[Ghostwriter]

Has there been much discussion on why the cops took so long to arrive at the scene, but wait next time I go to Etihad i'll be treated like a terrorist and have my bag searched, or next time I fly they'll take away my shampoo, but what the heck two real live terrorists slicing someone up in full view of everyone and where are the jacks?, must've been someones birthday party down at the station, mmm those donuts taste good.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Except of course when civilian infrastructure is deliberately targeted with civilians inside. To begin with.

You mean like 9-11? or 7/7? how about Bali?

Or are we talking about military strike's aimed at eliminating enemy combatants hiding among or close to civilian populations?

I don't approve of either but you can't put them in the same boat.

One your target is first and for most the EC, you assess the risk of letting this EC go in relation to how many Non combatant causalities your going to cause.

The other is deliberately planing to kill as many NC's as possible because you lack the means to directly strike EC's,

fact is if the west did what many accuse us of doing, we would have had 3 years of war and most of Middle East would be nothing but a desert of glass.

 

[DeanoT]

Through a legal act of war, of which this was not.

Always found it bizarre that there are written rules for what is, and isn't allowed, when it comes to killing others in the name of war.

 

[mantis]

Whether they were born in England or not, they are obviously of some kind of African origin whatever generation that may be ,kind of blows the assimilation, living in harmony in a multicultural society myth right out of the water .

Like how us whites assimilated with Aboriginals.

 

[dmc333]

Get used to it. It is the new tactic of jihadism. As I said, read up on Awlaki.

Who interestingly the US admitted to whacking today. Not that anybody was surprised.

It genuinely surprises me it took this long.

Imagine if random (or mildly connected) dudes just started walking around major cities firing automatic weapons.

I always thought this was the biggest threat going.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Has there been much discussion on why the cops took so long to arrive at the scene, but wait next time I go to Etihad i'll be treated like a terrorist and have my bag searched, or next time I fly they'll take away my shampoo, but what the heck two real live terrorists slicing someone up in full view of everyone and where are the jacks?, must've been someones birthday party down at the station, mmm those donuts taste good.

You realise your bag gets searched at the footy prevent liquor and glass being brought in, has **** all to do with terrorism and everything to do with louts at the cricket over a decade ago.

As to why the cops took so long, it's Britain the regular cops don't carry, I'm pretty sure mal even mentioned there was ordinary cops on the scene who couldn't do shit as one bloke had a gun.

It's a specialist response group that is armed in the uk, you don't actually think specialist response teams are ready to go at the drop of a hat do you? It's unlikely that such a group would be stationed outside of a LAC and also unlikely that they would all be sitting in the ready room.

Most Coppers that allowed to shoot normally carry out ordinary police duties, what happens is a ordinary bobby shows up confirms there's someone with a firearm, a car or van loaded with guns meets the cops authorised to use the guns at or near the scene, they kit up, get briefed then respond.

Obviously the response time would be extended 20 mins is better then what you would expect in those circumstances once you factor in co-ordination I hate to see what would have happens if it had been some far flung county outside of London.

 

[Malifice]

So Cameron and Boris just popped into the Woolwich town hall across the road from work. People everywhere.

No speech though which was a bit disappointing. They snuck out the back door.

Cameras everywhere. They just interviewed a bunch of EDL guys (only half a dozen of them there).

Spot the Aussie in the black jacket having a smoke in the background.

Cops everywhere too. Its ****ing surreal.

 

[Malifice]

Has there been much discussion on why the cops took so long to arrive at the scene.

There were two cops there at the time. They couldn't intervene as the bad guys had guns and knives (and clearly intended on using them).

British Police don't carry guns.

All they could realistically do was call in the Armed response team (who took 20 minutes to get down there). They were then promptly charged by the murderers who both were equally promptly shot.

 

[RU486]

A 20 minute armed response time in simply unacceptable in such a circumstance. Given London is at a relatively high risk of terrorism and has a huge population I would have thought they would have had multiple mobile armed response teams operating 24/7 from different parts of the city as well as a high readiness team ready to deploy from HQ. Clearly police will come under alot of scrutiny for this.

 

[cancat]

The IRA? They were Catholic.

Religion played a massive part in that one as well.

They were mortaring Heathrow Airport, blowing up busses in London, murdering soldiers and detonating nail bombs downtown while todays Islamic militants were still babies.

To be fair to the 'Muslim extremists' in Britain, they have a long way to go to catch up to the Irish Catholics too.

The IRA campaign was not really a religious one. They never said they were killing on behalf of God or the Pope. And they killed and maimed plenty of Catholics.

Most fundamentalist movements worldwide are actually forms of nationalism in some kind of religious guise -such as the IRA, Zionist fundamentalism or the patriotic Christian right in the US.

Muslim fundamentalism is different in that it seeks to be a worldwide revolutionary movement. And their goals are totally at odds with Western ideals such as democracy, secular society, equality between men and women, separation of religion and state.