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No I don't think so.
Don't you mean Braga?
No I don't think so.
Don't you mean Braga?
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Andonis1997
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So, who copied who?
No matter what, they are both great kits, but the problem is with the Heart, half of the logo will be clashing, so that could be a reason for switching the sash?
No matter what, they are both great kits, but the problem is with the Heart, half of the logo will be clashing, so that could be a reason for switching the sash?
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It just screams template.
Maybe because it is.
Do you really think so?You know who else's 3rd kit is class? WBA's IMO:
It just screams template.
Maybe because it is.
Andonis1997
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I think it's classier than ours (Liverpool's). I don't know, I've started to like the simple kits. Just not overdone. I don't care about the template TBH, whoever wants it, uses it.
Liverpool's IMO is way OTT, with those triangles. Being a smaller club who's been in the EPL for a couple of years, West Brom doesn't need to prove anything and have Gold and Watermarks on their kits
I love all of WBA's kits. It is so well done, with using only four colours in their guernseys: Navy, White, Light Blue and Red.
I also saw a Germany kit which looked newish. It had white with black Adidas stripes and Had one thin diagonal line of black, one of red, and one of yellow. Spaced out on the guernsey, near the stomach. Very classy! My dad agreed with me
Liverpool's IMO is way OTT, with those triangles. Being a smaller club who's been in the EPL for a couple of years, West Brom doesn't need to prove anything and have Gold and Watermarks on their kits
I love all of WBA's kits. It is so well done, with using only four colours in their guernseys: Navy, White, Light Blue and Red.I also saw a Germany kit which looked newish. It had white with black Adidas stripes and Had one thin diagonal line of black, one of red, and one of yellow. Spaced out on the guernsey, near the stomach. Very classy! My dad agreed with me
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Silent Alarm, I agree yet disagree... if the sash were to go over the 'heart', people (i.e. me) would harp on with how the sash is straight/thinner, rather than drooped/thicker ala the classy away.
Get those two things right, and it may forgive the aforementioned blatant carbon copy.
Gee, that's disappointingNo I don't think so.
Don't you mean Braga?
Silent Alarm, I agree yet disagree... if the sash were to go over the 'heart', people (i.e. me) would harp on with how the sash is straight/thinner, rather than drooped/thicker ala the classy away.
Get those two things right, and it may forgive the aforementioned blatant carbon copy.
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Escuse the double post, but another thought.
People's verdict on Victory away with white shorts (worn for the second time this season at Gosford)?
Personally, while some shorts interchanges are quirkily cool (Argies in WC, any Villa/West Ham example), this might take some getting used to.
Other interesting ones domestically this year:
CCM v 'Nix (what a mess this was at the already yellow-hazed Cake Tin.)
GC v Victory (personal fav)
Heart v Jets (not sure where this idea came from)
Coincidentally, Newcastle and now Melbourne Heart - with this new grey kit - are the only teams with 3rd options for shorts and socks this year. I'm sure NU have worn their white gear (gold trimmings) with their home shirt as well, but yet to find a pic...
Escuse the double post, but another thought.
People's verdict on Victory away with white shorts (worn for the second time this season at Gosford)?
Personally, while some shorts interchanges are quirkily cool (Argies in WC, any Villa/West Ham example), this might take some getting used to.
Other interesting ones domestically this year:
CCM v 'Nix (what a mess this was at the already yellow-hazed Cake Tin.)
GC v Victory (personal fav)
Heart v Jets (not sure where this idea came from)
Coincidentally, Newcastle and now Melbourne Heart - with this new grey kit - are the only teams with 3rd options for shorts and socks this year. I'm sure NU have worn their white gear (gold trimmings) with their home shirt as well, but yet to find a pic...
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I'm pretty sure the Heart away with red shorts came from not actually having white shorts completed before the start of the season. Remembering back to some preseason games (vs Melbourne knights) where we had the same thing.
I also remember some promotional shots of Bolton in old reebok shorts due to not having ISC made ones for this season yet as well.
EDIT: As seen in this picture where he is wearing reebok shorts that have the number 12 on them.
I'm pretty sure the Heart away with red shorts came from not actually having white shorts completed before the start of the season. Remembering back to some preseason games (vs Melbourne knights) where we had the same thing.
I also remember some promotional shots of Bolton in old reebok shorts due to not having ISC made ones for this season yet as well.
EDIT: As seen in this picture where he is wearing reebok shorts that have the number 12 on them.
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I didn't see the Victory game so I really can't comment too much. But from the photos I've seen, it didn't look awfully great. The reason it doesn't work is because it introduces a third major colour. The tennis ball fluoro and navy combination is broken up. It certainly looks thrown together and very last minute.
Conversely, those teams you have mentioned, their alternate shorts use an already utilised colour.
Villa in all claret:
...In blue shorts and stockings:
West Ham in sky bottoms, as opposed to white:
They're all great examples of interchangeable kit elements. They don't disrupt the colourway. It's interesting and novel because it is, as the name suggests, simply an alternative.
The Wellington - Mariners 'farce' is inevitable. It happens in the AFL, as we all know. A top that differs in primary colour to the bottom creates unevenness. And as Central Coast found out, it proves hard to combat in chance of a kit clash. Though the combination of black-on-yellow shirt, black shorts, black stockings works for me with the 'Nix.
I personally prefer the Victory in all navy. Primarily, I think it simply looks cleaner and bolder. But secondly, it adds to that red vs blue mentality with the Melbourne derby. And of course, a Victory home shirt with white bottoms could make for an attractive, yet not often used, clash solution (ala Villa and WHU).
I love the Heart away kit with red shorts. I think the red shorts work a lot better in daylight, and the white work better at night. Though I'm also curious as to how Melbourne Heart's home strip would look with white shorts and stockings – which to my knowledge, has yet to happen (prove me wrong though).
Now, here's a question regarding the Premier League and its kits. In particularly, Arsenal and their choice of sock. In the past few seasons, Arsenal home kits have been 'released' with red stockings.
Yet white stockings soon take over completely. I believe this is done purely through marketing. By the next kit cycle, most supporters have forgotten the press shots for the previous kit. The fans are used to white stockings. Seeing red ones in the press photos will make the whole strip appear new or more striking, simply because it's different.
Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? Or am I likely on the money?
Examples being:
2011/2012 home strip being released
2011/2012, the same strip, about six months later (I will use this moment to echo the Arsenal fans at Craven Cottage: Thierry's coming home, he's comin' home, he's comin' home, he's coming, Thierry's coming home)
Firstly,
I didn't see the Victory game so I really can't comment too much. But from the photos I've seen, it didn't look awfully great. The reason it doesn't work is because it introduces a third major colour. The tennis ball fluoro and navy combination is broken up. It certainly looks thrown together and very last minute.
Conversely, those teams you have mentioned, their alternate shorts use an already utilised colour.
Villa in all claret:
...In blue shorts and stockings:
West Ham in sky bottoms, as opposed to white:
They're all great examples of interchangeable kit elements. They don't disrupt the colourway. It's interesting and novel because it is, as the name suggests, simply an alternative.
The Wellington - Mariners 'farce' is inevitable. It happens in the AFL, as we all know. A top that differs in primary colour to the bottom creates unevenness. And as Central Coast found out, it proves hard to combat in chance of a kit clash. Though the combination of black-on-yellow shirt, black shorts, black stockings works for me with the 'Nix.
I personally prefer the Victory in all navy. Primarily, I think it simply looks cleaner and bolder. But secondly, it adds to that red vs blue mentality with the Melbourne derby. And of course, a Victory home shirt with white bottoms could make for an attractive, yet not often used, clash solution (ala Villa and WHU).
I love the Heart away kit with red shorts. I think the red shorts work a lot better in daylight, and the white work better at night. Though I'm also curious as to how Melbourne Heart's home strip would look with white shorts and stockings – which to my knowledge, has yet to happen (prove me wrong though).
Now, here's a question regarding the Premier League and its kits. In particularly, Arsenal and their choice of sock. In the past few seasons, Arsenal home kits have been 'released' with red stockings.
Yet white stockings soon take over completely. I believe this is done purely through marketing. By the next kit cycle, most supporters have forgotten the press shots for the previous kit. The fans are used to white stockings. Seeing red ones in the press photos will make the whole strip appear new or more striking, simply because it's different.
Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? Or am I likely on the money?
Examples being:
2011/2012 home strip being released
2011/2012, the same strip, about six months later (I will use this moment to echo the Arsenal fans at Craven Cottage: Thierry's coming home, he's comin' home, he's comin' home, he's coming, Thierry's coming home)
BennyW
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Swap the sash around, remove the sleeves and that right there is Essondons clash.
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This is true. I guess the same applies to the Mariners main away strip (although, they have worn navy shorts when they can, ie @ Victory and Brisbane)
It's passable but a little awkward, and contributes to my reservations for WCE having a peril away uniform with white shorts and blue socks.
Totally agree... I even wouldn't mind seeing them crank out the navy shorts - tennis-ball stripes and all - for a game this season, for the shiggs
It would certainly rival Germany's WC inconsistencies!
Ah yes, the Stoke City look. At Perth Oval earlier this season:
... strange choice considering the common stripes, and in complete contrast to last season's choice:
(couldn't get a pic of the preceding goal unfortunately!)
How long has this been occuring? I suspect you may be right, unless there is some sort of pre-season kit arrangement, like some MLB teams Spring Training lineup?
This is true. I guess the same applies to the Mariners main away strip (although, they have worn navy shorts when they can, ie @ Victory and Brisbane)
It's passable but a little awkward, and contributes to my reservations for WCE having a peril away uniform with white shorts and blue socks.
Totally agree... I even wouldn't mind seeing them crank out the navy shorts - tennis-ball stripes and all - for a game this season, for the shiggs
It would certainly rival Germany's WC inconsistencies!
Ah yes, the Stoke City look. At Perth Oval earlier this season:
... strange choice considering the common stripes, and in complete contrast to last season's choice:
(couldn't get a pic of the preceding goal unfortunately!)
How long has this been occuring? I suspect you may be right, unless there is some sort of pre-season kit arrangement, like some MLB teams Spring Training lineup?
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The Difference in our away kit i believe came from changes to the Perth home kit, Last year they had white socks so we wore the red to contrast against theirs as shown here.
This Year i believe the stripes were worn due to the increased white on their home top to help make it stand out, shorts and socks changed to white to help contrast with the purple, Why we didn't just wear the red shorts and socks is beyond me.
Ah yes, the Stoke City look. At Perth Oval earlier this season:
... strange choice considering the common stripes, and in complete contrast to last season's choice:
(couldn't get a pic of the preceding goal unfortunately!)
The Difference in our away kit i believe came from changes to the Perth home kit, Last year they had white socks so we wore the red to contrast against theirs as shown here.
This Year i believe the stripes were worn due to the increased white on their home top to help make it stand out, shorts and socks changed to white to help contrast with the purple, Why we didn't just wear the red shorts and socks is beyond me.
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Electronic Arts get kit information much earlier than the public. Some of the A-League shirts for this season were first seen in FIFA 12 screenshots. Now in FIFA 06, Arsenal have red stockings. Yet for the entirety of the 2006/2007 seasons, and 2007/08 (the same kit), the stockings were white with a red turnover. I also recall a leak on Arseblog of the kit, with red stockings.
The only photographic evidence I have is for 2011/2012.
Electronic Arts get kit information much earlier than the public. Some of the A-League shirts for this season were first seen in FIFA 12 screenshots. Now in FIFA 06, Arsenal have red stockings. Yet for the entirety of the 2006/2007 seasons, and 2007/08 (the same kit), the stockings were white with a red turnover. I also recall a leak on Arseblog of the kit, with red stockings.
denishurley
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Are you sure about that SA, in FIFA06 Arsenal would have had the redcurrant kit, no?
As to the current season's kit and the socks change, my guess is that Nike originally included red socks to differentiate from last season as the two strips are very similar and that somebody (possibly Arsene Wenger? It's only in his time that the white socks were introduced) requested/demanded the change
Are you sure about that SA, in FIFA06 Arsenal would have had the redcurrant kit, no?
As to the current season's kit and the socks change, my guess is that Nike originally included red socks to differentiate from last season as the two strips are very similar and that somebody (possibly Arsene Wenger? It's only in his time that the white socks were introduced) requested/demanded the change
Andonis1997
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Anyone watching the Victory-Jets match? 2 away kits playing eachother. One of these teams need a third kit. Newcastle should have the gold kit as the third IMO because this shouldn't really be happening.
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This is one of the only times this combination was worn (this picture is made better by the fact that Robbie Savage is, so they say on the internet, getting 'pwned'.
But I tend to agree with what you're saying. There is an inability to change Arsenal's kit. Considering the current design trends in football, as well as Nike's recent templates, nothing outlandish is going to occur. And when an alteration did occur, there was a fair amount of outcry.
So yeah, distinguishing difference in kits is what I think as well.
It certainly wouldn't look ghastly or uneven. It'd simply look like another 'version' of the strip, rather than a new configuration of it.
But under the current availability, couldn't tonight's game have Victory in all navy, with Newy in their current away strip? The Jets look mostly white anyway. It almost seems to simple... have I gotten something wrong?
FIFA07, you're right.
This is one of the only times this combination was worn (this picture is made better by the fact that Robbie Savage is, so they say on the internet, getting 'pwned'.
But I tend to agree with what you're saying. There is an inability to change Arsenal's kit. Considering the current design trends in football, as well as Nike's recent templates, nothing outlandish is going to occur. And when an alteration did occur, there was a fair amount of outcry.
So yeah, distinguishing difference in kits is what I think as well.
Newcastle should have a pair of red shorts and socks.
It certainly wouldn't look ghastly or uneven. It'd simply look like another 'version' of the strip, rather than a new configuration of it.
But under the current availability, couldn't tonight's game have Victory in all navy, with Newy in their current away strip? The Jets look mostly white anyway. It almost seems to simple... have I gotten something wrong?
Andonis1997
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Well, Victory wear white shorts with white side panels and v, which is a lot of white. Newcastle has a blue home. If Melbourne wear the home, and Newcastle wear away, there's a chance the kits will clash. MELB's away and NEWY's home would work, but Victory's at home, so Jets shouldn't wear it. Gold third kit for Jets or White kit for melbourne should work.
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Victory needs to bring back more navy into their kit like they have had in earlier seasons, It's the extra white added by shorts and side panels this year that cause problems. Next year they should go back to navy shorts and go with an all white away. Would fix a lot of problems that this years created.
Victory needs to bring back more navy into their kit like they have had in earlier seasons, It's the extra white added by shorts and side panels this year that cause problems. Next year they should go back to navy shorts and go with an all white away. Would fix a lot of problems that this years created.
Tigerdrive
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Yep you're right that we should go back to the all navy but it shouldn't matter what we wear, the away side is under the obligation to provide a strip that doesn't clash with the home side.
Yep you're right that we should go back to the all navy but it shouldn't matter what we wear, the away side is under the obligation to provide a strip that doesn't clash with the home side.
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The white side panels and white chevron will not make the whole strip white. There's almost always a tiny, pedantic chance of a clash.
Use a familiar AFL example. Fremantle in their regular home, with Collingwood in their clash. There's barely any issue there. Football is slower, and so, there should be no issue at all.
But I said for Victory to wear navy shorts. So it's not really their home shirt.
The white side panels and white chevron will not make the whole strip white. There's almost always a tiny, pedantic chance of a clash.
Use a familiar AFL example. Fremantle in their regular home, with Collingwood in their clash. There's barely any issue there. Football is slower, and so, there should be no issue at all.
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Yeah the away side should always provide a strip that doesn't clash and IMO white shorts do not clash providing one kit is light and the other is dark
Also have found one other reason why the away was worn tonight, When Victory played in wellington they had to wear their home strip to remove the clash created by their away. Tonight is said to be a make up for the sponsorship deal on the away kit.
Yeah the away side should always provide a strip that doesn't clash and IMO white shorts do not clash providing one kit is light and the other is dark
Also have found one other reason why the away was worn tonight, When Victory played in wellington they had to wear their home strip to remove the clash created by their away. Tonight is said to be a make up for the sponsorship deal on the away kit.
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I reckon we should go back to the white away kit next season, probably won't happen though as the current one seems to be selling well
I reckon we should go back to the white away kit next season, probably won't happen though as the current one seems to be selling well
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Well hows that for coincidental!
I'm not sure Victory in their navy shorts (as I mentioned earlier!) would have diffused a clash more than if the Gunners perhaps lent their red socks to the Jets for the evening
Seriously, at the end of the game their was a crowd shot of some red-and-blue clad travelling Jets supporters, and there was a Melbourne home shirt standing next to one of them. Absolutely no clash. The red is very noticeable.
They just needed to wear white socks with the home kit and Bob's your aunty. Not pretty, sure, and red would be ideal... but you can't expect an A-League team to have 4 colours!
Either way Melbourne really shouldn't have had to wear those safety shirts at home.
I'd say the Newcastle kit manager has thought there was too much 'dark blue' in the regular kit, chosen the clash shirt, paired the white socks to contrast Victory's navy... and we know shorts aren't of the highest priority (see Glory at Melbourne for instance), so whatever went best. Referee has seen them, said 'no can do', and the home team was the only side with access to a change.
Good to see Fox Sports were at least on top of it with their scoreboard graphics (for once)
Well hows that for coincidental!
I'm not sure Victory in their navy shorts (as I mentioned earlier!) would have diffused a clash more than if the Gunners perhaps lent their red socks to the Jets for the evening
Seriously, at the end of the game their was a crowd shot of some red-and-blue clad travelling Jets supporters, and there was a Melbourne home shirt standing next to one of them. Absolutely no clash. The red is very noticeable.
They just needed to wear white socks with the home kit and Bob's your aunty. Not pretty, sure, and red would be ideal... but you can't expect an A-League team to have 4 colours!
Either way Melbourne really shouldn't have had to wear those safety shirts at home.
I'd say the Newcastle kit manager has thought there was too much 'dark blue' in the regular kit, chosen the clash shirt, paired the white socks to contrast Victory's navy... and we know shorts aren't of the highest priority (see Glory at Melbourne for instance), so whatever went best. Referee has seen them, said 'no can do', and the home team was the only side with access to a change.
Good to see Fox Sports were at least on top of it with their scoreboard graphics (for once)
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