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shibz_1989 said:
I think you may have understood.

More people commit suicide then die in car accidents.

Why don't they put more money into mental health (so that suicide rates lower), rather then put money into trying to stop people speeding with speed cameras.

Not to mention, money is made off of speed cameras.
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Why can't they do both? I'll agree about mental health, but speeding has the potential to kill more people than just the person driving.
 
Yeah I know but statistics show that more people die from suiciding rather then from car accidents, let alone speeding...
 

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ok well to answer your original question

you didn't get off with a lesser offence because of your "pretigious high paying" (ok im paraphrasing here) job at a small accounting firm.

you probably got off because the officer was having a good day and didn't want to make some kid lose his licence
 
rofltown said:
ok well to answer your original question

you didn't get off with a lesser offence because of your "pretigious high paying" (ok im paraphrasing here) job at a small accounting firm.

you probably got off because the officer was having a good day and didn't want to make some kid lose his licence
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Ok thanks for your input, seems to be the general consensus. I still feel lucky but now have no guilt that somebody else may have not been so lucky in that exact same situation :thumbsu:
 
shibz_1989 said:
Seriously, there are more people who die from comitting suicide every year, in comparison with car accidents. Yet the government puts more money into speed cameras etc...why? Because there is a chance to make $$$$$$
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As a nurse, you should realise better than most people that the degree of danger associated with particular events or activities is not merely the number of deaths that occurs, but more importantly, the number of deaths + injuries. Sure, speed cameras generate revenue for governments, however I'd say that they've had some influence over the decline in deaths (and presumably injuries) over the past couple of years now that their locations are advertised. Surely you do not advocate their diminished existence or a complete cessation of them? I reckon deep down you would agree with my post. I don't know how much you've worked in a hospital given you're still a student, but once you finish uni and gain more exposure to emergency situations, perhaps you'll gain a deeper appreciation.

Anyway, in terms of the OP's point regarding 'professionals', I really don't think it would make a difference, unless you happen to get a cop that has some sort of vendetta against 'professional' people in society. I really don't think there'd be many cops like this though. I think what you'd get judged on more by is the degree you were breaking the law by and the impression you give going by your image (ie type of car you have, how you present yourself, the way you talk). Other factors include how strictly the cop follows the book and what sort of day they are having.
 
I know sometimes they will ask you what you do for work and I would suspect, given it has been proven twice now to me, that they want to know what impact you not having your license would have on you.

Case in point, twice now I've experienced the "lesser" penalty. Mind you, whilst you'd think I'm a regular offender, these two times I've been 'done' are the only times I've been done for speeding in the past 5 years.

The first I was clocked travelling at 106kms in an 80 zone in Greensborough just before the Metro Ring Road. I was shitting myself, because I knew what I had done. I went to over take a car who was doing roughly 65km in the 80 zone, and because the road was moving to the left to go onto the Ring Road I sped up to get around. The officer did all the usual things, asked me what I did and said "Gee, something you'd probably really need your license for, huh?" And I responded "Yeah, absolutely. Not sure what I would do without it really.. think I'd probably go broke!" We both had half a chuckle and as he went to walk back to his car he said "I'll see what I can do."

End result being pinged for 102km, 3 demerits and $280 fine or something like that.

Same thing happened one night in Lysterfield Road, done for 97 in a 70 zone. Officer wrote it back to 93 and let me on my way.

Whether or not it impacts your life is probably somewhat of a consideration, however I genuinely believe that if you come across as polite, understanding and don't do things like trying to deny it, or question it, or call the guy "buddy" or pretend he's your mate, he/she will probably think you're a decent person and deserve a better chance.
 
shibz_1989 said:
I think you may have understood.

More people commit suicide then die in car accidents.

Why don't they put more money into mental health (so that suicide rates lower), rather then put money into trying to stop people speeding with speed cameras.

Not to mention, money is made off of speed cameras.
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Imagine the number of deaths and injuries from car accidents if road safety initiatives were substantially decreased!
 
Better yet, imagine if all the money wasted on fear campaigns and revenue raising went in to actual driver training.

Make advanced driving courses mandatory every 5 years.

What they do now is clearly not working, because people still prefer to be ignorant on the roads.

While Im ranting, BAN ALL PHONES/GPS IN CARS.
 
Underdog said:
Imagine the number of deaths and injuries from car accidents if road safety initiatives were substantially decreased!
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I think you will find more money being put into mental health would actually decrease car accidents and deaths caused by them.
 

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Well, to cut a long story short, I'm doing mental health this semester. An indicator of a mental disorder or illness is risk taking, which is something those who speed, drive stupidly etc do (In no way am I implying that someone who speeds etc has an illness). It has also been proven that some car accidents are a result of suicide. I don't know if this makes much sense...I will try and find something to back it up. If not is must have been something my lecturer made up lol (I don't think she did though).

EDIT: This sort of backs it up.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/120/4/326
 
Lecturer also said something about using car accidents as a way to cover it up. IE the media will report it as "car accident" whereas it may have been suicide.
 
shibz_1989 said:
Lecturer also said something about using car accidents as a way to cover it up. IE the media will report it as "car accident" whereas it may have been suicide.
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So how does it reduce stupid driving then?

Sounds like your lecturer is just brainwashing you with crap to get your industry more funding.

The money should go on driver education.

Its something we do for MANY hours of our lives, yet it only takes 2 seconds of taking your eye off the road to cause a massive accident.

Yet we are only tested on how to indicate and headcheck around 60km/h streets??

Advanced training and testing on a closed track of speeds of up to 110km/h and people might then be competent in handling their weapons.

Oh, and more awareness for motorcyclists!

Instead, we are chained by government to endless 'campaigns' and 'road toll' stats, revenue raising tactics and 'slow down tactics', instead of curing the real problem! People don't know how to drive a car the way it's designed to be driven!
 
Well mental illnesses increases risk taking (so speeding, drink driving) and decreases concentration. So an increase in mental health funding would hopefully decrease risk taking and increase concentration.

Also speeding and driving dangerously may result in an accident, however, the driver may be intentionally doing this to cover up them suiciding.

That being said, whether or not it is true, there is still not enough funding in mental health. But that's another story for another day...

PS Sorry if this sounds like a load of crap, it may just be the way I am explaining it.
 
Yeh I understand your logic, I just don't believe it is as prevalent as you're making it out to be.

Back it up with suicide notes as proof, otherwise its just speculation.

Its not the way you are explaining it, its just crap.

I speed, I take 'risks', but I am not suicidal, I just love living on the edge of life/death sometimes. When I do these things, it never endangers anyone else, I can assure you.

If your argument is that anyone that speeds is mentally ill, Id say your understanding of what is 'ill' is up for debate.

Is taking risks a sign of mental illness?

Better to be drugged up and dumbed down for you to feel 'safe' ?

How about improving the 'general population's understanding of how to operate a vehicle safely, instead of sidestepping the issue and focusing on the 0.001% of the car accidents that are a result of suicide, which are more than likely unpreventable.
 
Well my statement originally was more people die from suicide then from car accidents, which is fact. I have no idea how I go onto risk taking (I think I went on a tangent which is something I tend to do).

But I do think it's a bit harsh to be saying that people who mental illnesses who are drugged up are dumbed down...

"About 2000 suicides and 65,000 attempted suicides are reported each year, but the figures are thought to be higher because many are blamed on accidental overdoses, misadventure, car accidents or unknown causes."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/suicideprevention-groups-say-the-need-is-desperate-20100627-zc2b.html
 
I think it's insanely obvious that the primary use of speed cameras is revenue raising - same reason why the government doesn't outlaw tobacco or subsidise nicotine patches - they'd be losing a royal arse ton of money.

With regards to the OP, don't overstate your occupation - the copper was obviously having a good day, and didn't want a p plater to lose his license - most of them don't enjoy doing such things.

Count yourself lucky, and bloody lucky at that
 

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