St Kilda President Andrew Bassat tees off on the AFL draft system, specifically father/son and the Northern Academies

[Elixuh]

funnily enough, the AFL stepped in and Gave Ben a shit load of ambassadorial cash to keep him there, where were they when the Pies raided GWS for years?
I suspect you don't actually don't want to see merit and just pot shot St Kilda and keep your advantages, which is quite typical for those with advantages


One can like the rule but also see it for the advantage it is
rules can be changed
access can be altered, but because most want it, access is given
so
cost should be altered! discount? - price? they can be altered to ensure the draft returns the balancing mechanism it was meant to be

No one is arguing that a fair price shouldn’t be charged, we all agree on that. No one is arguing that teams may receive a benefit from the rule sometimes, the rule is only to the disadvantage of GWS and GCS. All the other clubs have the same access.

But old Fred Bassat appears to want to abolish it all, hence his ‘progress’ comment.

 

[Mat Mann]

No one is arguing that a fair price shouldn’t be charged, we all agree on that. No one is arguing that teams may receive a benefit from the rule sometimes, the rule is only to the disadvantage of GWS and GCS. All the other clubs have the same access.

But old Fred Bassat appears to want to abolish it all, hence his ‘progress’ comment.

you have completely missed the point ANDREW was making. the rules have been changed, ANDREW was potting the AFL because they made the decision to DELAY the introduction until next year, hence handing Brisbane the #1 pick in Ashcroft + Marshall for a pkt of chips, GCS another top 10 pick, Ess and Carlton F/S's.

they delayed the points increase
they delayed the inability to use more draft picks than list spots available
so now we have another 3 top 15 and 3 top 30ish players going cheap and uncontested

 

[Roylion]

Quick Roylion. Your country needs you!

 

[Elixuh]

you have completely missed the point ANDREW was making. the rules have been changed, ANDREW was potting the AFL because they made the decision to DELAY the introduction until next year, hence handing Brisbane the #1 pick in Ashcroft + Marshall for a pkt of chips, GCS another top 10 pick, Ess and Carlton F/S's.

they delayed the points increase
they delayed the inability to use more draft picks than list spots available
so now we have another 3 top 15 and 3 top 30ish players going cheap and uncontested

Nah he mentioned that it was ‘progress’. So he clearly still doesn’t like any of it.

lol we allow future pick trading. Why would you change the rules a few months before the draft when clubs have made list decisions over 12 months in advance. That’s bush league stuff.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Do you think Carlton & Essendon receiving blockbuster scheduling and the associated funding and marketability that comes with that, across the past quarter of a century is a benefit of their own merit? Even in their poorest onfield periods they retained this benefit.
Some of the worst teams in football opened the season for 13 years.
It's cronyism. But there's always those who stand back and admire.

Are you being ignorant to the fact they have and along with other financially independent clubs, have built their own success. (St Kilda aren’t a financially independent club).

The fixturing is done through a plethora of reasonings, from the popularity of the club, the previous success of blockbuster clashes, how good the teams are going and the wealth comes into it later, which again for Andrews case, he is saying the afl built that, which is an awful opinion.

Seeing as most clubs do their own separate resource planning and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and team in the afl.

It is a lot more likely that St Kilda haven’t been able to put a foot hold in their own financial growth, and their on-field performance doesn’t help this.

Again the only good point he had was the price for father sons, academies (next gen and northern academies). But to bunch that in with the rest was poor, and his way of communicating his point wasn’t great either.

 

[Mat Mann]

Are you being ignorant to the fact they have and along with other financially independent clubs, have built their own success. (St Kilda aren’t a financially independent club).

The fixturing is done through a plethora of reasonings, from the popularity of the club, the previous success of blockbuster clashes, how good the teams are going and the wealth comes into it later, which again for Andrews case, he is saying the afl built that, which is an awful opinion.

Seeing as most clubs do their own separate resource planning and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and team in the afl.

It is a lot more likely that St Kilda haven’t been able to put a foot hold in their own financial growth, and their on-field performance doesn’t help this.

Again the only good point he had was the price for father sons, academies (next gen and northern academies). But to bunch that in with the rest was poor, and his way of communicating his point wasn’t great either.

he never connected them and was clear as day about our shortcomings which prefaced his dig.

it's as if most haven't listed to what he actually said

as for financial, the AFL must owe us 30mill odd from the shitfull deals (and for a long period, no deal at all along with the Dogs and North) we've been forced to endure, 30k attendance just to make a single $, meanwhile the AFL owns the place.

It's hard to make progress when you have 1 arm, only get scraps, are swimming up current, and a baying pack at your heels

we've paid down over 1/2 our debt and built a new facility. Our ability to earn revenue is tied to the AFL because we have been at a disadvantage for so long, but that's an entirely different conversation

 

[Off Stump 89]

Certainly bizarre that there is any discount on F/S. If anything there should be a tax to have almost unrestricted access to a player

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[Harris Specter]

Don’t worry Joe, you’re still invited to our B&F tonight.

 

[littlecreatures]

Maybe you should stick to the society, religion and politics board where all the great intellectuals of Bigfooty reside

Instead here you are - a week after lions won a flag going at 60 odd pages of circle work, for ultimately a club pres questioning why the premiers get pick 1 for peanuts in what’s meant to be equalisation. Go figure.

I wonder who that says more about.

 

[Elixuh]

Instead here you are - a week after lions won a flag going at 60 odd pages of circle work, for ultimately a club pres questioning why the premiers get pick 1 for peanuts in what’s meant to be equalisation. Go figure.

I wonder who that says more about.

Because the VFL made rules to enrich themselves and as soon as a non-VFL team get the advantage the Saints arc up. Crickets when the bulldogs were getting f/s over decades and Collingwood. Have some courage rather than selective moral outrage.

 

[Mat Mann]

Because the VFL made rules to enrich themselves and as soon as a non-VFL team get the advantage the Saints arc up. Crickets when the bulldogs were getting f/s over decades and Collingwood. Have some courage rather than selective moral outrage.

you must live under a rock if you think there was no stink about either of those but the same rule that gave Daicos to the Pies is about to give you a 2nd Ashcroft, it's about to give GC a 5th top Academy kid in 2 years.

Dogs got a highly rated NGA kid that the AFL changed the entire rules that then cost the clubs who haven't had a decent run the ability to get those kids

and we arc'd up long before Ashcoft was set to be a top 3 pick
poor Brisbane imagine getting 2 top 3 picks F/S in 3 years and sooking about how unfair the comp is

The 'Jamarra Rule': Why Melbourne's top NGA prospect may not make it to the Dees

The rules for bidding on Next Generation Academy prospects will be slightly different in this year's draft

www.afl.com.au

 

[mighty_lions]

how embarrassing for st Kilda maybe Andrew basset should have a look at the ever classy Andrew wellingtons b & f speech

 

[Mat Mann]

how embarrassing for st Kilda maybe Andrew basset should have a look at the ever classy Andrew wellingtons b & f speech

how's Bevo proudly slurring that the Dogs aren't complaining about their plight! Dogs completely forgot who they are despite being another small vic club.

they were cap in hand with us complaining about the stadium deals we were forced into not that long ago, wonder whats changed their perspective

 

[mighty_lions]

how's Bevo proudly slurring that the Dogs aren't complaining about their plight! Dogs completely forgot who they are despite being another small vic club.

they were cap in hand with us complaining about the stadium deals we were forced into not that long ago, wonder whats changed their perspective

less whinging

 

[Mat Mann]

less whinging

like the less whinging the lions did when they were shit and lost a heap of players?

 

[mighty_lions]

like the less whinging the lions did when they were shit and lost a heap of players?

its funny you mention that, the club was run by the most inept people of all time then, Angus Johnson the chairman at the time was a disgrace but at least he was less embarrassing than that speech by Bassat