St Kilda President Andrew Bassat tees off on the AFL draft system, specifically father/son and the Northern Academies

[Elixuh]

you have completely missed the point ANDREW was making. the rules have been changed, ANDREW was potting the AFL because they made the decision to DELAY the introduction until next year, hence handing Brisbane the #1 pick in Ashcroft + Marshall for a pkt of chips, GCS another top 10 pick, Ess and Carlton F/S's.

they delayed the points increase
they delayed the inability to use more draft picks than list spots available
so now we have another 3 top 15 and 3 top 30ish players going cheap and uncontested

Nah he mentioned that it was ‘progress’. So he clearly still doesn’t like any of it.

lol we allow future pick trading. Why would you change the rules a few months before the draft when clubs have made list decisions over 12 months in advance. That’s bush league stuff.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Do you think Carlton & Essendon receiving blockbuster scheduling and the associated funding and marketability that comes with that, across the past quarter of a century is a benefit of their own merit? Even in their poorest onfield periods they retained this benefit.
Some of the worst teams in football opened the season for 13 years.
It's cronyism. But there's always those who stand back and admire.

Are you being ignorant to the fact they have and along with other financially independent clubs, have built their own success. (St Kilda aren’t a financially independent club).

The fixturing is done through a plethora of reasonings, from the popularity of the club, the previous success of blockbuster clashes, how good the teams are going and the wealth comes into it later, which again for Andrews case, he is saying the afl built that, which is an awful opinion.

Seeing as most clubs do their own separate resource planning and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and team in the afl.

It is a lot more likely that St Kilda haven’t been able to put a foot hold in their own financial growth, and their on-field performance doesn’t help this.

Again the only good point he had was the price for father sons, academies (next gen and northern academies). But to bunch that in with the rest was poor, and his way of communicating his point wasn’t great either.

 

[Mat Mann]

Are you being ignorant to the fact they have and along with other financially independent clubs, have built their own success. (St Kilda aren’t a financially independent club).

The fixturing is done through a plethora of reasonings, from the popularity of the club, the previous success of blockbuster clashes, how good the teams are going and the wealth comes into it later, which again for Andrews case, he is saying the afl built that, which is an awful opinion.

Seeing as most clubs do their own separate resource planning and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and team in the afl.

It is a lot more likely that St Kilda haven’t been able to put a foot hold in their own financial growth, and their on-field performance doesn’t help this.

Again the only good point he had was the price for father sons, academies (next gen and northern academies). But to bunch that in with the rest was poor, and his way of communicating his point wasn’t great either.

he never connected them and was clear as day about our shortcomings which prefaced his dig.

it's as if most haven't listed to what he actually said

as for financial, the AFL must owe us 30mill odd from the shitfull deals (and for a long period, no deal at all along with the Dogs and North) we've been forced to endure, 30k attendance just to make a single $, meanwhile the AFL owns the place.

It's hard to make progress when you have 1 arm, only get scraps, are swimming up current, and a baying pack at your heels

we've paid down over 1/2 our debt and built a new facility. Our ability to earn revenue is tied to the AFL because we have been at a disadvantage for so long, but that's an entirely different conversation

 

[Off Stump 89]

Certainly bizarre that there is any discount on F/S. If anything there should be a tax to have almost unrestricted access to a player

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[Harris Specter]

Don’t worry Joe, you’re still invited to our B&F tonight.

 

[littlecreatures]

Maybe you should stick to the society, religion and politics board where all the great intellectuals of Bigfooty reside

Instead here you are - a week after lions won a flag going at 60 odd pages of circle work, for ultimately a club pres questioning why the premiers get pick 1 for peanuts in what’s meant to be equalisation. Go figure.

I wonder who that says more about.

 

[Elixuh]

Instead here you are - a week after lions won a flag going at 60 odd pages of circle work, for ultimately a club pres questioning why the premiers get pick 1 for peanuts in what’s meant to be equalisation. Go figure.

I wonder who that says more about.

Because the VFL made rules to enrich themselves and as soon as a non-VFL team get the advantage the Saints arc up. Crickets when the bulldogs were getting f/s over decades and Collingwood. Have some courage rather than selective moral outrage.

 

[Mat Mann]

Because the VFL made rules to enrich themselves and as soon as a non-VFL team get the advantage the Saints arc up. Crickets when the bulldogs were getting f/s over decades and Collingwood. Have some courage rather than selective moral outrage.

you must live under a rock if you think there was no stink about either of those but the same rule that gave Daicos to the Pies is about to give you a 2nd Ashcroft, it's about to give GC a 5th top Academy kid in 2 years.

Dogs got a highly rated NGA kid that the AFL changed the entire rules that then cost the clubs who haven't had a decent run the ability to get those kids

and we arc'd up long before Ashcoft was set to be a top 3 pick
poor Brisbane imagine getting 2 top 3 picks F/S in 3 years and sooking about how unfair the comp is

The 'Jamarra Rule': Why Melbourne's top NGA prospect may not make it to the Dees

The rules for bidding on Next Generation Academy prospects will be slightly different in this year's draft

www.afl.com.au

 

[mighty_lions]

how embarrassing for st Kilda maybe Andrew basset should have a look at the ever classy Andrew wellingtons b & f speech

 

[Mat Mann]

how embarrassing for st Kilda maybe Andrew basset should have a look at the ever classy Andrew wellingtons b & f speech

how's Bevo proudly slurring that the Dogs aren't complaining about their plight! Dogs completely forgot who they are despite being another small vic club.

they were cap in hand with us complaining about the stadium deals we were forced into not that long ago, wonder whats changed their perspective

 

[mighty_lions]

how's Bevo proudly slurring that the Dogs aren't complaining about their plight! Dogs completely forgot who they are despite being another small vic club.

they were cap in hand with us complaining about the stadium deals we were forced into not that long ago, wonder whats changed their perspective

less whinging

 

[Mat Mann]

less whinging

like the less whinging the lions did when they were shit and lost a heap of players?

 

[mighty_lions]

like the less whinging the lions did when they were shit and lost a heap of players?

its funny you mention that, the club was run by the most inept people of all time then, Angus Johnson the chairman at the time was a disgrace but at least he was less embarrassing than that speech by Bassat

 

[Dewyyyyy]

he never connected them and was clear as day about our shortcomings which prefaced his dig.

it's as if most haven't listed to what he actually said

as for financial, the AFL must owe us 30mill odd from the shitfull deals (and for a long period, no deal at all along with the Dogs and North) we've been forced to endure, 30k attendance just to make a single $, meanwhile the AFL owns the place.

It's hard to make progress when you have 1 arm, only get scraps, are swimming up current, and a baying pack at your heels

we've paid down over 1/2 our debt and built a new facility. Our ability to earn revenue is tied to the AFL because we have been at a disadvantage for so long, but that's an entirely different conversation

It may of just been how I interpreted it. But the fact he mentioned wealthy clubs and the draft was a clear indication.

I’m pretty sure a bunch of clubs were forced into the same or similar situation and position. Essendon was one with Marvel, whilst other clubs were forced to have minimal games there, but I don’t place it all on the AFL forcing clubs to do it, as especially with St Kilda and such who play there more often.

Financially clubs build themselves up, the afl help but all wealthy clubs build a majority of that themselves with their differing resource plans, ideas and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and to grow their teams, from afl, aflw to others they associate with.

I agree to an extent but I feel St Kilda do themselves no favours, and it isn’t like the AFL are giving them less help than others, seeing as they are financially aiding St Kilda and compared to other clubs who don’t get any financial aid and are better off, because of their own doings. The victim mindset is utterly poor.

 

[Dogflogger]

It may of just been how I interpreted it. But the fact he mentioned wealthy clubs and the draft was a clear indication.

I’m pretty sure a bunch of clubs were forced into the same or similar situation and position. Essendon was one with Marvel, whilst other clubs were forced to have minimal games there, but I don’t place it all on the AFL forcing clubs to do it, as especially with St Kilda and such who play there more often.

Financially clubs build themselves up, the afl help but all wealthy clubs build a majority of that themselves with their differing resource plans, ideas and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and to grow their teams, from afl, aflw to others they associate with.

I agree to an extent but I feel St Kilda do themselves no favours, and it isn’t like the AFL are giving them less help than others, seeing as they are financially aiding St Kilda and compared to other clubs who don’t get any financial aid and are better off, because of their own doings. The victim mindset is utterly poor.

You might think AFL don't give less help to one club over the other but I do know that when Carlton are basement dwellers for close to a decade they still get marquee games and more than their fair share of televised games.

When teams like St Kilda and North play like shit for close to a decade they get sent to NZ or China and get minimal exposure.

Smart Financial moves are one thing but if you expect any of these smaller "shitter" clubs to pull themselves up by the bootstraps in a country with a declining birthrate maybe you should give them a fair chance at been seen.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

You might think AFL don't give less help to one club over the other but I do know that when Carlton are basement dwellers for close to a decade they still get marquee games and more than their fair share of televised games.

When teams like St Kilda and North play like shit for close to a decade they get sent to NZ or China and get minimal exposure.

Smart Financial moves are one thing but if you expect any of these smaller "shitter" clubs to pull themselves up by the bootstraps in a country with a declining birthrate maybe you should give them a fair chance at been seen.

This is different to a new team or a side who has been poor for long periods, on field performance changes those big games, as shown by the round 1 with Richmond and Carlton scrapped, but there are a lot of games with history, that continue to get played.

These are games that bring in big money for both clubs but the AFL in particular, this would be dumb for the product of AFL and the AFL as a business to move them to other clubs who may be equal to or lesser then.

AFL financially aid St Kilda, with North Melbourne, and the three Brisbane, Gold Coast and GWS sides being above them. This is because of their own instability and lack of being able to build a financial foundation.

Again it’s less to do with how wealthy the clubs are already and the AFL giving them draft advantages (he doesn’t but Andrew implied this), with fixturing and the rest, it is all not one singular reason. There are a plethora of KPIs involved.

Obviously an over exaggeration for you to an extent, but again as I said, it’s less about them favouring the others due to specifically their wealth. There are a lot of reasons to things. The AFL is a business after all.

The fact is they’re being given a fair chance. Financially being aided, benefiting from next generation academies, father sons if they had them, their financial aid has risen over time aswell. It’s on St Kilda aswell to be able to build a better system off-field to gain financial stability but also get some on-field success which will help this. There are many things they can do or work toward bettering to becoming a bigger club. Albeit hard as everyone knows Australia is a country for the diehards, so many people already have memberships to their favourite clubs.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Might have to have another press conference after today

 

[Elixuh]

like the less whinging the lions did when they were shit and lost a heap of players?

That’s such a good comparison I’m glad you brought it up.

Lions were a rabble off field when the back office did all that complaining. Then we fixed that. As soon as the adults entered the room the club stopped complaining and began fixing. And here we are.

St Kilda should take note.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

That’s such a good comparison I’m glad you brought it up.

Lions were a rabble off field when the back office did all that complaining. Then we fixed that. As soon as the adults entered the room the club stopped complaining and began fixing. And here we are.

St Kilda should take note.

You seriously think Bassat hadn't been fixing things behind the scenes?

It's seriously amazing how many are proving him right when he said we should just make up the numbers and not complain about it.

 

[Elixuh]

You seriously think Bassat hadn't been fixing things behind the scenes?

Didn’t know he existed until I saw him complaining about academies

 

[LordLucifer]

You seriously think Bassat hadn't been fixing things behind the scenes?

Problem is, non-Saints supporters have heard that things were being fixed behind the scenes for well over a decade yet there is no visible improvement ever.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Didn’t know he existed until I saw him complaining about academies

Bassat despite being a multi millionaire doesn't have a high profile

Problem is, non-Saints supporters have heard that things were being fixed behind the scenes for well over a decade yet there is no visible improvement ever.

That's because no one does a deep dive into the club. They look at the surface and that's it

 

[Elixuh]

You seriously think Bassat hadn't been fixing things behind the scenes?

It's seriously amazing how many are proving him right when he said we should just make up the numbers and not complain about it.

I think you have to wear the fact that he has come out and had a whinge in circumstances where St Kilda is and has been an entirely unserious organisation. I mean you’re offering 12 game GWS players $800k a year. You may as well have SOS as your recruitment guy bc that’s what he does at Carlton. You have to know that you’re going to cop it back the other way in those circumstances. And he sounds like he’s ok with that.

The Bulldogs and Melbourne are both small clubs who have won flags in recent times and been highly competitive over a long period. So how have they done it?

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I think you have to wear the fact that he has come out and had a whinge in circumstances where St Kilda is and has been an entirely unserious organisation. I mean you’re offering 12 game GWS players $800k a year. You may as well have SOS as your recruitment guy bc that’s what he does at Carlton. You have to know that you’re going to cop it back the other way in those circumstances. And he sounds like he’s ok with that.

The Bulldogs and Melbourne are both small clubs who have won flags in recent times and been highly competitive over a long period. So how have they done it?

Have you asked yourself why we have to offer stupid money?
It's the only real way smaller clubs and clubs at the bottom end can attract talent.
That's not a St Kilda only problem.
Then you're left with development in house via the draft. There's where the flaw with F/S and academies exists.
High end talent isn't necessarily going to where it's needed the most.
Levi Ashcroft case in point.

Bassat knew full well what he was doing.

St Kilda for what it's worth was 1 point away from joining the dogs and dees winning a flag.

 

[Elixuh]

Have you asked yourself why we have to offer stupid money?
It's the only real way smaller clubs and clubs at the bottom end can attract talent.
That's not a St Kilda only problem.
Then you're left with development in house via the draft. There's where the flaw with F/S and academies exists.
High end talent isn't necessarily going to where it's needed the most.
Levi Ashcroft case in point.

Bassat knew full well what he was doing.

St Kilda for what it's worth was 1 point away from joining the dogs and dees winning a flag.

But what has made the Dogs and Melbourne so successful over an extended period? They’ve been up and playing finals for years and they’re small clubs.