Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[edgie]

The extent of writing dialogue for Finn’s scenes across this trilogy usually came down to:

a) “Yeahhhhhh!!!”
b) “Runnnnnn!!!”
c) “Reyyy!!!!”
d) “Whooooo!!!”

Horrendously misused character. Offered so much potential, but in the end was squandered.

It also needs to be said that RJ did less with the character than JJ, surely the lovers can't deny that.

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[JackOutback]

It also needs to be said that RJ did less with the character than JJ, surely the lovers can't deny that.

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Not really; JJ did absolutely nothing with him in ROS. His arc in TFA was good, problem was, he ended the film badly injured while only showing a commitment to Rey. It’s dumbfounding that people can’t see his character needed to commit to the Resistance, which was a full arc in TLJ. He went from only caring about Rey to willing to die for the cause.

 

[SM]

I recently gave this a go on Netflix, after hearing mixed reviews about it. I gave it a genuine chance, approx 8-9 episodes.

Yes it does seem quite out of place given where it’s meant to fit into the timeline, it’s very jarring. However more so for me is the characters.

Really liked the captain from the beginning, the Michelle Yeoh character. I mistakenly thought she was the lead, which would’ve been great. However things obviously changed pretty quickly, and the main character they focus on (Michael?) is very unlikable IMO, makes it difficult for me to stay vested.

Not sure I’ll continue, I gradually lost more and more interest as the season unfolded. Anyway, that was just my experience

Second season is a lot of better, they reacted a lot to feedback.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Finn sacrificing himself would have been the perfect ending for him. Screw Rose.

 

[skipjack]

Probably won't be like whatever date you mark as 'before' but don't underestimate nostalgia and its ability to make people forget the shit bits. Come 2025 or 2030 marketing will push the right buttons.

So true.

Pass a critical eye over the original trilogy with the same ferver and its also a mess. So many plot holes and obvious making up the story as Lucas went along. But we forgive it for two reasons... 1 Nostalgia. 2. Most of us were kids when we saw it.

Internet forums and YouTube made completing the sequel trilogy almost an impossible task.

 

[SM]

So true.

Pass a critical eye over the original trilogy with the same ferver and its also a mess. So many plot holes and obvious making up the story as Lucas went along. But we forgive it for two reasons... 1 Nostalgia. 2. Most of us were kids when we saw it.

Internet forums and YouTube made completing the sequel trilogy almost an impossible task.

Must be why Rogue One and The Mandalorian were received so poorly.

 

[skipjack]

Ha. Fair call. But here's the deal. They aren't a part of the sacred 9 Skywalker films. I reckon they get a lot more leeway. They are universally loved (and rightly so). The difference is they are able to take a different tone to the trilogy films and people accept it.

I guess my main point is that the general vibe seems to be people screaming that the sequels ruined the original trilogy. My view is that the original trilogy bought us lightsaber, Darth Vader, the Tie fighter sounds which were the primary reason they became the phenomenon they did. Star wars has never had great dialogue and is littered with things that dont add up or make sense. But we forgive it because it invented this world people love.

 

[SM]

Ha. Fair call. But here's the deal. They aren't a part of the sacred 9 Skywalker films. I reckon they get a lot more leeway. They are universally loved (and rightly so). The difference is they are able to take a different tone to the trilogy films and people accept it.

I guess my main point is that the general vibe seems to be people screaming that the sequels ruined the original trilogy. My view is that the original trilogy bought us lightsaber, Darth Vader, the Tie fighter sounds which were the primary reason they became the phenomenon they did. Star wars has never had great dialogue and is littered with things that dont add up or make sense. But we forgive it because it invented this world people love.

Yeah nah that's a cop out. The Skywalker saga was an artificial designation by Disney. To most people (me included) they're all Star Wars movies, and they all count the same. The issues with the ST are plentiful and go beyond just the fact they close out the episodic movies.

I don't see many people saying the ST ruins the OT? Most people just think it was a disrespectful continuation. The OT invented the world we love, you're right, but the ST then shat all over that and walked back a lot of the accomplishments of the OT.

 

[Kram]

The stuff about Palps being a clone and Rey’s dad being a failed clone apparently come from early drafts/the film’s intention.

Digging up Palpy again is probably the movie's worst crime.

Snoke's random death I didn't mind so much at the time but it then left them nowhere else to go.

 

[Exe Gesis]

ANH and TESB were damn good movies in their own right tho. Almost perfect. Story, etc, heros journey done so well, the right seriousness with a dash of natural humor, lovable droids, fearsome bad guys, etc. It was all new and different. And a certain je ne sais quo about it all which is why it became such a behemoth franchise and merchandise.

The ST werent good movies in all the same categories one judges. But R1 and TM had their good things to them which is why they were embraced more. Even TM brought in new fans to star wars. Tlj had far too much agenda to it and was a very poor film in story, etc. Tros is an abomination of a film. Tfa was ok only because it played it safe soft-rebooting ANH. Solo was a pointless addition that added nothing, but was better made thab tlj and tros in movie making terms.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Basically saying ... If a movie is good people will like it, if theres too much about it on the nose people wont like it. Theres no conspiracy against disney. They just missed more than they hit since they owned SW.

 

[glenferry23]

Finn sacrificing himself would have been the perfect ending for him. Screw Rose.

Have said it many times, huge opportunity wasted. Would’ve been great if RJ had the courage to do it, but was too fixated on subversion (ie, Rose coming in out of nowhere just when you thought he was going to sacrifice himself).

I would comfortably have this scene up there with the worst moments across the Star Wars films. Save the ones you love, whilst ~50 or so other soldiers get obliterated by that laser, is just idiotic. It’s not like the Resistance lost enough personnel that day anyway, what’s another few dozen or so? Ridiculous stuff.

Anyway. A very poorly utilised character, could even see the enthusiasm waning from John Boyega during the press tours.

 

[JackOutback]

So true.

Pass a critical eye over the original trilogy with the same ferver and its also a mess. So many plot holes and obvious making up the story as Lucas went along. But we forgive it for two reasons... 1 Nostalgia. 2. Most of us were kids when we saw it.

Internet forums and YouTube made completing the sequel trilogy almost an impossible task.

They had to make a film that pleased kids, young adult filmgoers and some seriously self-entitled 40-plus year olds. It was a near impossible task. That said, they chose possibly the worst option available.

Digging up Palpy again is probably the movie's worst crime.

Snoke's random death I didn't mind so much at the time but it then left them nowhere else to go.

They had Kylo as the big bad. Would have been perfectly suitable if your goal wasn’t to continue to make a rehash of the OT. RJ gave a new direction and some clearly hanging story threads. It was their choice to abandon it and go back to retread.

 

[edgie]

Not really; JJ did absolutely nothing with him in ROS. His arc in TFA was good, problem was, he ended the film badly injured while only showing a commitment to Rey. It’s dumbfounding that people can’t see his character needed to commit to the Resistance, which was a full arc in TLJ. He went from only caring about Rey to willing to die for the cause.

Lol the cutting out of him being force sensitive and adding some backstory in with the other stormtroopers was far more than TLJ where he was a pointless sidekick/guide AGAIN.

 

[edgie]

So Palpatine's son was a bad clone?

To me that's superior to the idea that he had a secret bioligically conceived family out there family out there the entire time.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Have said it many times, huge opportunity wasted. Would’ve been great if RJ had the courage to do it, but was too fixated on subversion (ie, Rose coming in out of nowhere just when you thought he was going to sacrifice himself).

I would comfortably have this scene up there with the worst moments across the Star Wars films. Save the ones you love, whilst ~50 or so other soldiers get obliterated by that laser, is just idiotic. It’s not like the Resistance lost enough personnel that day anyway, what’s another few dozen or so? Ridiculous stuff.

Anyway. A very poorly utilised character, could even see the enthusiasm waning from John Boyega during the press tours.

It would have been hilarious had Finn died in the crash Rose caused anyway, which was very plausible given its nature. She’s left kissing a dead body as all of the remaining resistance fighters are mowed down.

 

[quotemokc]

The fact that Disney has to keep pumping out the "well actually's" that weren't in the movie to make the story make a modicum of sense is proof enough that they botched it.

 

[SM]

So Palpatine's son was a bad clone?

To me that's superior to the idea that he had a secret bioligically conceived family out there family out there the entire time.

Except then it makes Rey his daughter not grand daughter.

 

[edgie]

Except then it makes Rey his daughter not grand daughter.

Eh. Still an improvement overall.

 

[SM]

Eh. Still an improvement overall.

How so?

 

[Janus]

If Reys dad was a failed clone of Palpatine then is Palaptine still Reys grandfather?

lols what a mess.

Rey's dad is Scott Evil.

Who the **** is coming up with this BS?

 

[Janus]

Poe and Finn were boring characters.

They were boring because they were just side kicks for Rey.

 

[edgie]

Eh. Still an improvement overall.

The idea that Palpatine conceived a child roughly around the time of Phantom Menace? And had a secret son and missus out there for who knows, when he was the most evil, devious, and powerful person in th galaxy, whom only comes back in to the fold after the events of Jedi, seems absurd.

A bad clone seems more fitting.

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[Exe Gesis]

Maybe SW should try a comedy genre movie....Multiplicity - A Star Wars Story with Michael Keaton as Sheev Palpatine.

 

[JackOutback]

The fact that Disney has to keep pumping out the "well actually's" that weren't in the movie to make the story make a modicum of sense is proof enough that they botched it.

The ‘patches’ are worse than the plot holes.