List Mgmt. State of the list

[Tex200]

Rubbish, have a good read, and think on this if we have good emerging talent in the two why are some calling for a rebuild, Why are we talking mass changes.


Most of these Guys replacements are already getting games, it the Players after them that need to find a way into the team,
When Otten retires Keath takes over and Butts is the one to step up and replace Hartigan
By the Time Walker retires Fogarty will have 50 games and the next junior player step up to replace him,
Gibbs you're looking at Milera with maybe a Hamill coming into the side behind him
Sloane, it will Jones with maybe a Boliase stepping up to take Jones roll in a few years
Jacobs at this time will be replaced with ROB with maybe a player like Luke Jackson coming into the picture in a few years or a ready-made coming into the club at a good price.
Betts by the time he retires it could be a Murthy, Stengle, McAdam who by them would have a few games up there sleeve as that 2nd small forward then another new selection takes there role.

What I am trying to Say is the direct replacement are there,
Too me it like the Miltary one falls over another step into that role and so forth down the line. everyone step up one place.

What we do need is to get maximum value with our Possible early pick and not waste it this time

Wow - rubbish?

Interesting take given your posting history

 

[ad victoriam]

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How can these guys get games, are you relying on injury or for us to drop senior players? How is Fog getting to 50 games?

Milera, Murthy, Jones are getting games Fog will get games more so by the time Walker retires,
Gallucci will be getting games sooner than later.
At this time the Only Older Player holding out a younger player Is MacKay, Problem is no one put the hand up to play defence. until recently maybe Scholl or Hamill will push him out, Or we have to wait until Brown Come back.
Betts maybe but I would give a couple more games.

The Questions will come this week if the Pick CEY over Pohokle,

 

[Elite Crow]

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Milera, Murthy, Jones are getting games Fog will get games more so by the time Walker retires,
Gallucci will be getting games sooner than later.
At this time the Only Older Player holding out a younger player Is MacKay, Problem is no one put the hand up to play defence. until recently maybe Scholl or Hamill will push him out, Or we have to wait until Brown Come back.
Betts maybe but I would give a couple more games.

The Questions will come this week if the Pick CEY over Pohokle,

I don’t think you get it.

Milera Murphy Jones are getting games so who exactly are they replacing?

Fog will get more games by the time Tex retires, how? Are you relying on injuries or who are your dropping?

 

[ad victoriam]

Wow - rubbish?

Interesting take given your posting history

So who cares about my posting history is yours any better. and what's the point of that.
Read some of the thread titles, Look closer at some of the Posts and then tell me there are not some who do Not rate our list.
how many times have you read do not have a list to win, we will not make the finals, etc
Yes, some like you and Elite are concerned with playing/carrying Older player before the Kids but you are getting out number by some who want massive changes because they believe our list is not good enough.
Shit, we have only played 3 games, and the site is full of negatives. I bet if we go on a winning streak a few of those people will change and forget we are going into an easy part of the draw.
I do agree with you on our list by the way.

 

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I don’t think you get it.

Milera Murphy Jones are getting games so who exactly are they replacing?

Fog will get more games by the time Tex retires, how? Are you relying on injuries or who are your dropping?

Hard to put into words I will try, (Barring leaving the club for more money which is another issue. )
Jones will replace Sloane when he retires, someone then steps into Jones role,
Milera will replace Gibbs, in the middle, when Gibbs retires the someone like Scholl or Hamill with step up.
Gallucci will replace Douglas sooner than later I hope.
Fogarty will develop more and play stop-gap positions covering injuries to Walker, Lynch, possibly replacing Hartigan later in the year, or they play him as the 4th tall right know he needs some work on the defensive side of his game.
And yes Tall are harder to play in the Side small and Mids are easier to game time

Like I mention developing and replacing retired players in AFL is similar to development in the military your direct replacement is already in your team you are looking at there replacement to train.

 

[Elite Crow]

Hard to put into words I will try, (Barring leaving the club for more money which is another issue. )
Jones will replace Sloane when he retires, someone then steps into Jones role,
Milera will replace Gibbs, in the middle, when Gibbs retires the someone like Scholl or Hamill with step up.
Gallucci will replace Douglas sooner than later I hope.
Fogarty will develop more and play stop-gap positions covering injuries to Walker, Lynch, possibly replacing Hartigan later in the year, or they play him as the 4th tall right know he needs some work on the defensive side of his game.
And yes Tall are harder to play in the Side small and Mids are easier to game time

Like I mention developing and replacing retired players in AFL is similar to development in the military your direct replacement is already in your team you are looking at there replacement to train.

Easy peasy. What happens when the club continues to hang on to old declining players and not give youth a go?

 

[jackster83]

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Milera, Murthy, Jones are getting games Fog will get games more so by the time Walker retires,
Gallucci will be getting games sooner than later.
At this time the Only Older Player holding out a younger player Is MacKay, Problem is no one put the hand up to play defence. until recently maybe Scholl or Hamill will push him out, Or we have to wait until Brown Come back.
Betts maybe but I would give a couple more games.

The Questions will come this week if the Pick CEY over Pohokle,

You don't recruit players to replace other players when they retire; you recruit players based on talent and also players to fill needs on the list. Those players then also need to be given opportunities to develop - playing them in the seconds will only get them so far. If there aren't many injuries/suspensions, then you find ways of getting them games. Being in premiership contention shouldn't be an excuse to not play them. Even going all the way back to 97/98, we blooded the likes of Goodwin, Johnson, Sampson, Perrie and Marsh.

The bigger picture from a club culture point of view, is that senior players shouldn't automatically be a lock until they decide to retire. Continuing to play blokes who are either carrying injuries/in poor form/well past their best or who have guys in the seconds who could come in and do a better job, just seems like madness.

There is no way we drafted Fogarty with the intention of keeping him in the SANFL for five years until Walker retires.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I don't think we should take any lessons from one of the least successful and most poorly run clubs in the AFL

Except how not to run a club!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Drafted too many small forward pocket types. What are we gonna do with them all

We drafted most as future midfielders?

 

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You don't recruit players to replace other players when they retire; you recruit players based on talent and also players to fill needs on the list. Those players then also need to be given opportunities to develop - playing them in the seconds will only get them so far. If there aren't many injuries/suspensions, then you find ways of getting them games. Being in premiership contention shouldn't be an excuse to not play them. Even going all the way back to 97/98, we blooded the likes of Goodwin, Johnson, Sampson, Perrie and Marsh.

The bigger picture from a club culture point of view, is that senior players shouldn't automatically be a lock until they decide to retire. Continuing to play blokes who are either carrying injuries/in poor form/well past their best or who have guys in the seconds who could come in and do a better job, just seems like madness.

There is no way we drafted Fogarty with the intention of keeping him in the SANFL for five years until Walker retires.

Yea I been saying that, a retired players replacement is already playing the game. and you looking at bringing in another junior to get experience. playing bit roles

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

My point is that you guys shouldn't do what a poorly run club has done, because its left us crap for a number of years. Right now the crows arent prioritising the next generation, which is what the blues did, and we ended up with a list devoid of any talent and have had to try and develop a bunch of youngsters around spuds like casboult ever since. Should be getting a young ruck in while Sauce is still there, or ur next ruck will have to learn off the blokes like Obrien

Lol, we have had more 1st round picks than most clubs of late, so we continue to bring in & develop new talent.

Unlike your club, we understand the need to balance the squad.

You can't just have kids with little support.

 

[ad victoriam]

Easy peasy. What happens when the club continues to hang on to old declining players and not give youth a go?

Older player tend to have a Happy knack of getting injured, hopefully, but Jokes aside
That is the problem Balancing the Older players with the younger/newer players.
how far do you go the Carlton/Melbourne way, or the Sydney/Geelong way.
One thing is we should remember not all the new Players are Young.
Also like you don't understand MacKay selection most of the time.
But I can still see the inclusion of several new players into the team every year. Even if some of them are older. as in Greenwood, Keath, and Gibbs.
As mention will they Play CEY over Pohokle,

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Lol, we have had more 1st round picks than most clubs of late, so we continue to bring in & develop new talent.

Unlike your club, we understand the need to balance the squad.

You can't just have kids with little support.

Dont disagree one bit, it's been an excruciating decade.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hahaha we have a competitive list thats aging rapidly and our recruiting department hasnt done its job in replacing particular players that are about fall off the cliff that are super important to the team

Is that about it

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Does our list age more rapidly than others?

 

[Elite Crow]

Older player tend to have a Happy knack of getting injured, hopefully, but Jokes aside
That is the problem Balancing the Older players with the younger/newer players.
how far do you go the Carlton/Melbourne way, or the Sydney/Geelong way.
One thing is we should remember not all the new Players are Young.
Also like you don't understand MacKay selection most of the time.
But I can still see the inclusion of several new players into the team every year. Even if some of them are older. as in Greenwood, Keath, and Gibbs.
As mention will they Play CEY over Pohokle,

But that’s the thing, the club does prioritise playing guys like Mackay and Douglas, over newer players. We even tried to turn Douglas into a forward rather than spending the preseason developing someone to play there instead.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Fog is too slow and immobile for current AFL James Sellar mk2

Not a great comparison as Sellar had athleticism but was mentally soft.

Fog has toughness & a footy brain.

 

[ad victoriam]

But that’s the thing, the club does prioritise playing guys like Mackay and Douglas, over newer players. We even tried to turn Douglas into a forward rather than spending the preseason developing someone to play there instead.

I can/Could in a way understand Douglas inclusion, playing that surficial role he did in 2017. Unfortanly no one did it on Thursday and Geelong Switched the play and ran the ball out of defence with ease.
MacKay selection was puzzling at the time, but he played OK just, And when I looked at the SANFL performances I could not find a small defender to take his place until recently. Now he is holding out some good and quick talent in Sholl and Hamill. both good defensive player who can move the ball and have close to elite Kicks. One of them should come in for MacKay because I don't believe MacKay can play that shutdown role Kelly doing.
Do we need to replace Douglas, MacKay and even Kelly and Knight this year, yes and they need to get min 10 games.
I don't subscribe to playing a small forward down back if they have not worked with the defenders. So I believe Murthy down back is not the answer we want. to replace MacKay or Kelly.

 

[Tex200]

But that’s the thing, the club does prioritise playing guys like Mackay and Douglas, over newer players. We even tried to turn Douglas into a forward rather than spending the preseason developing someone to play there instead.

Trade away Hendo
Shunt Milera around in his formative years
Put out best winger to a forward pocket
Play him on a restricted pre season little game time

Truth is stranger than fiction when looking at what they will do to keep DMac providing that good ol’ run and carry

 

[Elite Crow]

I can/Could in a way understand Douglas inclusion, playing that surficial role he did in 2017. Unfortanly no one did it on Thursday and Geelong Switched the play and ran the ball out of defence with ease.
MacKay selection was puzzling at the time, but he played OK just, And when I looked at the SANFL performances I could not find a small defender to take his place until recently. Now he is holding out some good and quick talent in Sholl and Hamill. both good defensive player who can move the ball and have close to elite Kicks. One of them should come in for MacKay because I don't believe MacKay can play that shutdown role Kelly doing.
Do we need to replace Douglas, MacKay and even Kelly and Knight this year, yes and they need to get min 10 games.
I don't subscribe to playing a small forward down back if they have not worked with the defenders. So I believe Murthy down back is not the answer we want. to replace MacKay or Kelly.

You can understand a 32 year old playing that position because he played it 2 years ago? At a time when are discussing the need to regenerate and ageing list?

The reason we had no one prepared to play Douglas’s role because we thought he would play it. Next because we had to keep Mackay in the team we moved Seeds up forward, our best winger.

These two decisions sums up exactly what is wrong with the club.

 

[Elite Crow]

Trade away Hendo
Shunt Milera around in his formative years
Put out best winger to a forward pocket
Play him on a restricted pre season little game time

Truth is stranger than fiction when looking at what they will do to keep DMac providing that good ol’ run and carry

And ol mate AFC979810 disappears when Mackay returns to the real Mackay.

 

[ad victoriam]

You can understand a 32 year old playing that position because he played it 2 years ago? At a time when are discussing the need to regenerate and ageing list?

The reason we had no one prepared to play Douglas’s role because we thought he would play it. Next because we had to keep Mackay in the team we moved Seeds up forward, our best winger.

These two decisions sums up exactly what is wrong with the club.

Yes I can Understand why does not mean I like it. I would have preferred McHenry.
I can also understand why some err on the side of Caution, which is what the Crow did and I believe Do too much, they like to play it Safe and sometimes Safe is not the way forward.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yes I can Understand why does not mean I like it. I would have preferred McHenry.
I can also understand why some err on the side of Caution, which is what the Crow did and I believe Do too much, they like to play it Safe and sometimes Safe is not the way forward.

That’s what we’ve been saying.

 

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That’s what we’ve been saying.

Yes and mostly I agree with you maybe disagree with direction at times but with MacKay I agree with you, with Douglas I can see why they Like him and why they Play him. But Now the time to Blood another Young player, and Keep Jones in the team.
But I original went on this thread because I was annoyed with all the naysayers, about our List, which I believe is OK,

 

[jackster83]

Does our list age more rapidly than others?

Refusing to rest/rehabilitate injured players will do that.

Jacobs, Walker, Talia, even Brown to a degree are all suffering from this.

Port are pretty guilty of this too, and their players are usually shot by 29.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yes and mostly I agree with you maybe disagree with direction at times but with MacKay I agree with you, with Douglas I can see why they Like him and why they Play him. But Now the time to Blood another Young player, and Keep Jones in the team.
But I original went on this thread because I was annoyed with all the naysayers, about our List, which I believe is OK,

The purpose of the thread is the state of the list and how we are behind the 8 ball because of decisions and incompetence of our management.

5 quality picks and lost players. We should be a powerhouse with the strength of Ogilvies drafting.

Ok doesn’t win you premierships.

High end talent does.