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With Geelong losing, it opens the door for Hawthorn to move into top position tomorrow if they beat Gold Coast.

Then Sydney would be favoured to take it next week when the Hawks have the bye.

If that occurs it would see four different ladder leaders in four rounds.
After 12 rounds - North Melbourne
After 13 rounds - Geelong
After 14 rounds - Hawthorn
After 15 rounds - Sydney

When did this last happen so late in the season?
 
The Swert said:
With Geelong losing, it opens the door for Hawthorn to move into top position tomorrow if they beat Gold Coast.

Then Sydney would be favoured to take it next week when the Hawks have the bye.

If that occurs it would see four different ladder leaders in four rounds.
After 12 rounds - North Melbourne
After 13 rounds - Geelong
After 14 rounds - Hawthorn
After 15 rounds - Sydney

When did this last happen so late in the season?
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Probably never. It is actually Swans not playing this weekend that opens the door for Hawthorn to move into top spot.
In some ways it is manufactured because in these multi-bye rounds of recent seasons the fact that some teams have played more games than the others helps the chances of spots changing. So Hawthorn would be top of ladder only because they have had one more game than Sydney to get ahead of them on wins so not truly on merit of same amount of games as Swans. So would Hawks really be top of ladder if all on 14 games? You only find out by Swans playing their 14th game too. But in any case it is different for the ladder to have 3 different clubs fill top spot 3 real rounds in a row. If the ladder is made for when each club has 12 matches, 13 matches and 14 matches then this anomaly of 3 rounds named for each club only playing two actual matches in this 3 week period then only 3 real changes can happen.
I look at it like North, Geelong and probably Sydney top in that case assuming Swans win 11 from 14 games to displace Geelong that have it now.
Then Geelong play Sydney in their 15th match anyway so one of them would have it with a win, so Hawks having it tomorrow I would not really count on merit.

1944 is interesting though in the sense that for the last 5 home and away rounds the top of position spot on ladder changed in those series of weeks.
 
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The Swert said:
If that occurs it would see four different ladder leaders in four rounds.
After 12 rounds - North Melbourne
After 13 rounds - Geelong
After 14 rounds - Hawthorn
After 15 rounds - Sydney

When did this last happen so late in the season?
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2004 R17 - Brisbane Lions
2004 R18 - Melbourne
2004 R19 - St Kilda
(Port Adelaide went top in R21, so 4 teams in 5 rounds)

As mentioned, the last 4 rounds of 1944 saw 4 different teams top the ladder.
 
Gold Coast, Brisbane Lions and Essendon have all lost their last 10 games. When was the last time:
a) 2 teams were on a 0-10 streak,
b) 3 teams were on a 0-10 streak?
 
Dirty Bird said:
makesme wonder
would people rather points given for the bye?
I hate it in the NRL, but it seems to have led to this temporary 3 week quirk in the afl.
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No, do not think it matters too much. As long as you can notice some side has played more games you take that into account. In 1993 the AFL did a different thing with ladder. As there were two byes for each club that season they decided from week to week to order the ladder by percentage of wins determining ladder positions. So for example in round 15 of 1993 the ladder had North on top with 71.43% of their games won being best win percentage. They had played 14 games. Hawks 13 games in second spot.
Rd 15 Ladder from AFLtables site.

NM 14 71.43 128.9
HW 13 69.23 121.5
CA 13 65.38 113.5
AD 14 64.29 113.2
CW 14 64.29 107.2
WC 13 61.54 117.2
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ES 14 60.71 119.7
FO 14 57.14 96.8
ME 14 50 107.6
GE 14 50 105.3
FI 14 42.86 99.3
SK 14 35.71 82.1
RI 13 30.77 79.5
BB 14 21.43 83.0
SY 14 7.14 59.9

The final ladder when all teams finished their home and away games was this:

Ladder
All teams played 20 games during the home and away season, for a total of 150. Each team also had two byes. An additional 7 games were played during the finals series. Take special note the the difference in wins from 1st to 12th team on ladder is literally only 3 and a half wins.

Compare that to two seasons later in 1995 when there was a 4 win difference between first and second on ladder. Incredible quirky 1993 season.

1993 AFL Ladder
Team P W L D PF PA % Pts
1 Essendon 20 13 6 1 2333 1959 119.09 54
2 Carlton 20 13 6 1 2315 1968 117.63 54
3 North Melbourne 20 13 7 0 2597 2150 120.79 52
4 Hawthorn 20 13 7 0 2166 1858 116.58 52
5 Adelaide 20 12 8 0 2168 1840 117.83 48
6 West Coast 20 12 8 0 1912 1651 115.81 48
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7 Geelong 20 12 8 0 2354 2109 111.62 48
8 Collingwood 20 11 9 0 2086 2060 101.26 44
9 Footscray 20 11 9 0 1978 1997 99.05 44
10 Melbourne 20 10 10 0 2101 1873 112.17 40
11 Fitzroy 20 10 10 0 2001 2011 99.50 40
12 St Kilda 20 10 10 0 2040 2166 94.18 40
13 Brisbane Bears 20 4 16 0 1886 2504 75.32 16
14 Richmond 20 4 16 0 1753 2480 70.69 16
15 Sydney 20 1 19 0 1837 2901 63.32 4
Key: P = Played, W = Won, L = Lost, D = Drawn, PF = Points for, PA = Points against

1995 AFL Ladder
Team P W L D PF PA % Pts
1 Carlton (P) 22 20 2 0 2357 1711 137.76 80
2 Geelong 22 16 6 0 2558 1939 131.92 64
3 Richmond 22 15 6 1 2096 1943 107.87 62
4 Essendon 22 14 6 2 2464 1931 127.60 60
5 West Coast 22 14 8 0 2079 1692 122.87 56
6 North Melbourne 22 14 8 0 2311 2013 114.80 56
7 Footscray 22 11 10 1 1879 2054 91.48 46
8 Brisbane Bears 22 10 12 0 2104 2207 95.33 40
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9 Melbourne 22 9 13 0 1938 1925 100.68 36
10 Collingwood 22 8 12 2 2043 2111 96.78 36
11 Adelaide 22 9 13 0 1749 2184 80.08 36
12 Sydney 22 8 14 0 2314 2299 100.65 32
13 Fremantle 22 8 14 0 2051 2209 92.85 32
14 St Kilda 22 8 14 0 1814 2258 80.34 32
15 Hawthorn 22 7 15 0 1857 1975 94.03 28
16 Fitzroy 22 2 20 0 1617 2780 58.17 8
 
red+black said:
Gold Coast, Brisbane Lions and Essendon have all lost their last 10 games. When was the last time:
a) 2 teams were on a 0-10 streak,
b) 3 teams were on a 0-10 streak?
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Round 11 1972 saw the 0-10 each of two North and Geelong play off for the inaugural win cup, which Geelong narrowly won. As for three, we'll need the help of one of the stats wizards i reckon!
 
Catsace said:
Round 11 1972 saw the 0-10 each of two North and Geelong play off for the inaugural win cup, which Geelong narrowly won. As for three, we'll need the help of one of the stats wizards i reckon!
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I reckon we will not find a time when 3 clubs at same time lost 10 in a row in the past.
The problem is most of history of league has 12 clubs so within 11 rounds that is 3 matches they play amongst themselves.
Plenty of seasons before 1970's had only 18 home and away rounds too.
You will find the odd season were two really ordinary cellar dwellers cannot beat anyone else but themselves.

The one you pointed out above of 1972 and then you also see a season like 1964 where Fitzroy did not win a game.
They were bottom and South Melbourne second bottom with 2 wins. Of course those two wins were against Fitzroy in round 2 and Fitzroy against in round 13. So Swans had not won for 10 rounds and Fitzroy obviously not had a win in the full 12 rounds at that point.
1981 Bulldogs and Melbourne were pretty bad. Melbourne wooden spoon with 1 win. That was over Footscray in round 3 by one point.
Footscray only won 2 games for season themselves. One being over Melbourne later in season and the other over Essendon in round 6. So even they did not get to 10 losses in a row despite only two wins for season.
So as you can see having any time where two clubs at same time have a losing streak of 10 or more is very rare but can happen as 1964 and 1972 seasons showed. I not looked back beyond 1964.
To find 3 clubs be on losing streak of 10 games or more in a row at same time in a 12 club league is not going to be possible.
Mathematically possible to find 3 clubs losing 8 in a row each but even that needs the circumstances of the draw to allow that to happen.

Which means basically can only look at period of the national league expansion to look for three clubs losing 10 in a row each.
In 1991 Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy both lose their first 8 games in a row.
They both had won a game by their 10th match in season.

Onto 16 club league time.
In 2004 in round 8 Richmond had 4 wins and Hawthorn 2 wins. Both had wins that round.
It was not until round 19 that either of them won a game again. Hawks beat Bulldogs in round 19 to get their 3rd win for season.
So going into round 19 both clubs had lost 10 in a row. That was last time two clubs at same time were on a 10 game losing streak.
Richmond actually never won another game for season but Hawks did win again two weeks after they beat Bulldogs when they played Richmond.

In 2007 season Melbourne and Richmond both lost their first 9 games in a row but in round 10 neither lost. Melbourne had a win and Richmond a draw.

In 2012 season Gold Coast and Melbourne both lost their first 9 games in a row but in round 10 Melbourne beat the supplement program experimenters that previously only lost one game for season.

So indeed we are in uncharted territory of 18 club league, to be right now having Essendon, Gold Coast and Brisbane all sitting on 10 losses in a row.
Weirder still, a fourth club Fremantle lost 10 in a row to start with. So we have our first season of 4 different clubs all having losing streaks of 10 games or more. I doubt any of us will ever see a season like this in our life time again.
 
Gee FootyFan 78, it hadn't occurred to me that we are sitting in territory of three clubs with a 10+ losing streak as we speak! Not too many would have done a Gold Coast and win three in a row to start then fall off the cliff, and of course the Bombers winning over the Dees in Rd 2 and the Lions too having won just a solitary game. I agree, with Freo's 10 losses in a row this will take a unique set of circumstances with the draw and having this many ordinary clubs. Thanks for that research, great stuff!! I had overlooked the Bombers losing streak...:p
 
In relation to two teams being on 10 game losing streaks, it could be stated that the instance in round 10, 2007 with Richmond and Melbourne saw both teams on 10 game losing streaks as both teams lost their last game of 2006 and then lost their first 9 of 2007.
Similarly, going into round 2, 1982, Melbourne had lost their last 20 games and Footscray had lost their last 10.
 

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Catsace said:
Gee FootyFan 78, it hadn't occurred to me that we are sitting in territory of three clubs with a 10+ losing streak as we speak! Not too many would have done a Gold Coast and win three in a row to start then fall off the cliff
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I was completely unaware myself until red+black made us aware of it.
It is a very weird season we are having.
 
footyfan78 said:
Weirder still, a fourth club Fremantle lost 10 in a row to start with. So we have our first season of 4 different clubs all having losing streaks of 10 games or more. I doubt any of us will ever see a season like this in our life time again.
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Most 10+ losing streaks in a season: 4 (this year). Previous was 3 in 1972 (Geelong & North as mentioned earlier, then South Melbourne later) and 2012 (Gold Coast, GWS, W Bulldogs)

There has been one instance of three 10+ winning streaks in a season: 1932, when South Melbourne started with 10 wins, Carlton won 11 in a row after starting with two losses, and Richmond came good at the right time to win its last eight H&A games plus both finals.
 
Hi stats people, a question (and any help is appreciated). How many league games in total did Jake King play? When I say "League" I mean all league games. So far I can only find his 107 league games in the AFL, but what about games in the VFL? I'm assuming he didnt play any WAFL or SANFL games etc, only AFL games and VFL games.

I ask as I just watched Open Mike on Fox Footy and tonight's guest was Jake King and just wondering how many league games he played all up.

Any help is appreciated.
 
After 14 rounds, Essendon is averaging less than 60 points per game (Points For 839).

What is the lowest Points For for an entire 22 round season?

When was the last time any side was an impotent as Essendon?
 
red+black said:
After 14 rounds, Essendon is averaging less than 60 points per game (Points For 839).

What is the lowest Points For for an entire 22 round season?

When was the last time any side was an impotent as Essendon?
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Probably GWS in 2012.

1270 points for in 22 rounds and a percentage of 46.2%

Fitzroy in 1996 scored 1452 points for in 22 games.
 
red+black said:
After 14 rounds, Essendon is averaging less than 60 points per game (Points For 839).

What is the lowest Points For for an entire 22 round season?

When was the last time any side was an impotent as Essendon?
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The Swert said:
Probably GWS in 2012.

1270 points for in 22 rounds and a percentage of 46.2%

Fitzroy in 1996 scored 1452 points for in 22 games.
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I make these the lowest 5:-
GWS 2012 1270 points
Melbourne 2014 1336
Fitzroy 1996 1452
Melbourne 2013 1455
Melbourne 1997 1477
 
I imagine Essendon (839, 54.73%) will slot in below Melbourne. Essendon's worst ever percentages were 64.20% (1918) and 70.29% (1915). Essendon's lowest Points For in a 22-round season was 1580 (2015).

GWS 2012 (1270-839)/8 = 54
Melbourne 2014 (1336-839)/8 = 62
Fitzroy 1996 (1452-839)/8 = 76
Melbourne 2013 (1455-839)/8 = 77
Melbourne 1997 (1477-839)/8 = 80
 
frenchfri12 said:
Latest in a season the bottom placed team has been a mathematical possibility to make the 8?
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I make it round 17 of 2009, 2010 and 2014. In 2014 there were three teams with the same total of points at the bottom. Of course, all these teams from all three seasons would also have needed to win by substantial margins in order to boost their percentages.
 

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