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Black Thunder said:
how many teams have made the grand final without making the finals either the year before or the year after??
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Code: 
Year Cb R
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1899 Sy L
1900 Me W
1907 Sy L
1913 St L
1924 Ri L
1938 Ca W
1945 Ca W
1945 Sy L
1946 Me L
1947 Ca W
1948 Me W
1949 Ca L
1957 Es L
1961 Ha W
1961 WB L
1962 Ca L
1962 Es W
1963 Ha L
1967 Ri W
1968 Es L
1969 Ri W
1971 Ha W
1980 Ri W
1982 Ri L
1989 Ge L
1993 Es W
2000 Me L
2007 PA L

NB no Grand Final in 1924, just a round robin series.
 
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Essendon were a formidable side in 1962 with a record of 18-2 from memory, and they were one of few sides to beat all their finals opposition in all encounters that year. Remarkable they missed the finals in 1961 and 1963.
 
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Does anyone have any stats that represent the correlation between a player winning a game-day medal and polling 3 votes for that game? And does anyone know if the umpires give votes before or after they are aware who the medal is awarded to?
 

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TomsTeam said:
Does anyone have any stats that represent the correlation between a player winning a game-day medal and polling 3 votes for that game? And does anyone know if the umpires give votes before or after they are aware who the medal is awarded to?
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Can't help with this, but it's an interesting question.
 
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Ron or RR, any chance you could search the database for max. Brownlow votes vs. games won (specifically in the range of 2-11 wins if possible) post 1995?

Also, would be curious to know the record for most consecutive years without an AA representative (Port will make it 4 years straight this year).
 
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mdc said:
Ron or RR, any chance you could search the database for max. Brownlow votes vs. games won (specifically in the range of 2-11 wins if possible) post 1995?
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H&A matches won, votes, H&A matches played, votes in wins:

Code: 
Wn Vt Player             Cb Year Ma VW
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11 21 Peter Matera       WC 1997 19 16
   21 Adam Goodes        Sy 2008 19 16
10 30 Chris Judd         Ca 2010 19 24
 9 22 Matthew Richardson Ri 2008 20 15
 8 23 Mark Ricciuto      Ad 2004 22 15
 7 18 Nathan Buckley     Co 2000 21 14
 6 24 Nathan Buckley     Co 1998 18  9
 5 20 Chris Grant        WB 1996 22  8
   20 Scott West         WB 2004 22 12
 4 20 Nathan Buckley     Co 1999 17 11
 3 10 Matthew Richardson Ri 2004 18  8
   10 Heath Scotland     Ca 2006 22  6
 2 11 Peter Bell         Fr 2001 19  6

mdc said:
Also, would be curious to know the record for most consecutive years without an AA representative (Port will make it 4 years straight this year).
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In the modern era, i.e. since 1991:

7 Fr 1995-01
5 Br 1991-95
4 Ri 1991-94
4 WB 1993-96

Essendon is in the same boat as Port in having its last rep in 2007.
 
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Thanks Ron, much appreciated. Buckley's 1998 season really stands out there, so I had a look at the game-by-game, and liked this:

Rd 12 (35 point loss) - 3 votes
Rd 13 (9 point loss) - 3 votes
Rd 14 (52 point loss) - 3 votes
Rd 15-19 - only played one match, a win, and got injured in it.
Rd 20 (10 point loss) - 3 votes

So he polled 3 votes in 4 consecutive losses that he played in.

Which leads to my next 2 questions:
- Is that the all time record for most consecutive 3 vote losses? What if we changed the criteria to any vote losses?
- Who holds the record for most total Brownlow votes in losses all time?
 
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mdc said:
- Is that the all time record for most consecutive 3 vote losses? What if we changed the criteria to any vote losses?
- Who holds the record for most total Brownlow votes in losses all time?
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Remembering that game-by-game votes have only been recorded since 1984...

1) No player has played in four consecutive losses and polled in each. The six players to have polled in three consecutive losses are:

Code: 
Player                   Span       1 2 3
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McLean, Michael     1991  5-1991  7 2 3 3
Schwass, Wayne      1994 20-1994 22 1 1 2
Buckley, Nathan     1998 12-1998 14 3 3 3
Fletcher, Adrian    1999 21-2000  1 3 2 1
Camporeale, Scott   2000 19-2000 21 1 2 1
Richardson, Matthew 2008  6-2008  8 2 2 1

The five players to have polled in four consecutive losses discounting wins and draws (which I think is what you meant):

Code: 
Player                Span       1 2 3 4
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Daicos, Peter    1987 18-1988  6 1 1 2 1
Schwass, Wayne   1994 15-1994 22 3 1 1 2
Wills, Andrew    1997  3-1997 10 1 1 3 1
Buckley, Nathan  1998 12-1998 20 3 3 3 3
Ablett jnr, Gary 2009 21-2010 13 3 2 1 2


2)
Code: 
Vt VL Player              BMa  W   L  D VLMa
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58 33 Buckley, Nathan     270 112 156 2 0.37
52 30 Harvey, Robert      366 188 174 4 0.30
43 21 Kelly, Paul         228  90 134 4 0.32
41 24 West, Scott         312 149 158 5 0.26
36 20 Roos, Paul          310 133 176 1 0.20
30 15 Burke, Nathan       315 133 179 3 0.17
28 15 Goodes, Adam        258 140 115 3 0.24
28 17 Cousins, Ben        252 136 113 3 0.25
27 12 Winmar, Nicky       242 117 123 2 0.22
27 16 Richardson, Matthew 279 115 162 2 0.17
26 19 Crawford, Shane     293 147 144 2 0.18
26 14 Loewe, Stewart      313 132 179 2 0.15
25 11 Black, Simon        254 143 107 4 0.23
24 12 Ricciuto, Mark      296 155 140 1 0.17
24 15 Schwass, Wayne      268 141 126 1 0.19
24 15 Voss, Michael       270 152 116 2 0.21
23 16 Pavlich, Matthew    230 101 129 - 0.18
22 11 Bradley, Craig      351 206 143 2 0.15
22 12 Bell, Peter         267 144 123 - 0.18
22 11 McLeod, Andrew      318 174 144 - 0.15
22 12 Knights, Matthew    273 116 157 - 0.14
 
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Black Thunder said:
how many teams have made the grand final without making the finals either the year before or the year after??

port did in 2007.... i can't think of any others whilst i've been watching (mid 90's) but i imagine it probably happened more back in the VFL period when it was only a top 4 out of 12 teams....
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Melbourne 1999-2000-2001
 
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mdc said:
Great stuff, thanks again. :thumbsu:

VL = ?

VLMa = Number of votes per loss?

Also, if you don't mind me asking, what do you use for storing/searching the db?
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No worries. VL = number of losses in which votes were polled; correct on VLMa.

SQL Server, but I do most ad hoc querying with MS Access via linked tables.
 
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Wickzki said:
Has a player ever single-handily (more than) doubled an opposition's score before tonight?

Milne: 8.2.50
Adelaide: 3.6.24
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Plenty of times pre-WW1, only 14 times since WW2. Most recently, Tippett 5.4 and Porplyzia 5.2 v Fremantle 1.7, R15 2009.
 

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In last night's Channel 7 post game discussion, Tom Harley made a comment along the lines of "If you have a lengthy enough career, you're going to suffer a 100 point loss somewhere along the way". Which, naturally, got me thinking, what would be the top 5/top 10 players who have played the most games without actually suffering a 100 point loss?

If this stat is elsewhere on Big Footy, let me know so we don't repeat ourselves.
 
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worbod said:
In last night's Channel 7 post game discussion, Tom Harley made a comment along the lines of "If you have a lengthy enough career, you're going to suffer a 100 point loss somewhere along the way". Which, naturally, got me thinking, what would be the top 5/top 10 players who have played the most games without actually suffering a 100 point loss?
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Code: 
Gms Player              Cb   Career  LGm GLM
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403 Bartlett, Kevin     Ri 1965-1983 139  89
383 Harvey, Robert      St 1988-2008 185  99
332 Matthews, Leigh     Ha 1969-1985 111  84
328 Nicholls, John      Ca 1957-1974 117  85
321 Whitten senior, Ted WB 1951-1970 180  90
312 Dyer senior, Jack   Ri 1931-1949 102  73
312 Silvagni, Stephen   Ca 1985-2001 113  97
306 Coventry, Gordon    Co 1920-1937  81  88
300 Bourke, Francis W.  Ri 1967-1981  95  83
294 Titus, Jack         Ri 1926-1943  92  69
 
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Further to the post above...most games with GLM less than x:

Code: 
Mgn Gms Player              Cb      Career  LGm GLM
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110 426 Tuck, Michael       Ha    1972-1991 123 105
100 403 Bartlett, Kevin     Ri    1965-1983 139  89
 90 403 Bartlett, Kevin     Ri    1965-1983 139  89
 80 312 Dyer senior, Jack   Ri    1931-1949 102  73
 70 294 Titus, Jack         Ri    1926-1943  92  69
 60 254 Barassi, Ron D.     Me,Ca 1953-1969  68  54
 50 181 Bruce, George       Ca    1903-1913  45  47
 40 154 Hammond, Charlie    Ca    1905-1918  32  39
 30  60 Beck, Les           Ca    1906-1909   7  26
 20  29 Brenchley, Peter    Me    1957-1959   4  18
 10  26 Blair, Jarryd       Co    2010-2011   2   3
 
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TomsTeam said:
Does anyone have any stats that represent the correlation between a player winning a game-day medal and polling 3 votes for that game? And does anyone know if the umpires give votes before or after they are aware who the medal is awarded to?
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Anyone?
 
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Black Thunder said:
only 2 current players have 300 games to their name.... is that not unusually low??
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The competition age/experience cycle is in a bit of a lull at present.

Code: 
Year # Year # Year # Year #
------ ------ ------ ------
2011 2 2000 3 1989 3 1978 1
2010 6 1999 1 1988 3 1974 2
2009 7 1998 1 1987 2 1973 2
2008 7 1997 2 1986 3 1970 2
2007 6 1996 3 1985 4 1969 1
2006 8 1995 2 1984 6 1951 1
2005 2 1994 3 1983 6 1950 1
2004 2 1993 1 1982 4 1949 1
2003 3 1992 2 1981 3 1937 1
2002 5 1991 4 1980 4
2001 5 1990 3 1979 2
 
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Ron, Paul, Roger... anyone?

When was the last time a team beat another team by 100 points or more in a season, only to turn around and lose to them in that same season the next time the two teams met??

(Hoping it doesn't happen to the Eagles tomorrow!!)

Adelaide v Geelong in 1992 is one I can definitely think of... but none since then.
 
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UpForGrabs said:
Ron, Paul, Roger... anyone?

When was the last time a team beat another team by 100 points or more in a season, only to turn around and lose to them in that same season the next time the two teams met??

(Hoping it doesn't happen to the Eagles tomorrow!!)

Adelaide v Geelong in 1992 is one I can definitely think of... but none since then.
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There are a few more examples here.

http://www.rogersresults.110mb.com/Rogers_Results/Scores and Margins/margin_difference.htm

May not be all of them.

I'll have a look later for others as the above are based on amount of difference in the margin not just being beaten by 100 pts. or more per se.

There are 15. West Coast is the only team to do it twice in the same season.
I'll put them up on a web page by tomorrow morning.
 
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UpForGrabs said:
Ron, Paul, Roger... anyone?

When was the last time a team beat another team by 100 points or more in a season, only to turn around and lose to them in that same season the next time the two teams met??

(Hoping it doesn't happen to the Eagles tomorrow!!)

Adelaide v Geelong in 1992 is one I can definitely think of... but none since then.
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Full List is here.
 
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SJ said:
Who was the last player to have at least 28 possessions and and at least 6 goals?
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Sj again

34 touches, 7.1

9 marks and what must be close to a record 10 goal assists!
 

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