Opinion Stephen Silvagni

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Warhorse said:
You are right. His early picks have been pretty good. It's the overall strategy that has been a disaster. SOS does not seem to care for picks outside the top 30. He also wasted his access to mature aged players which was dreadful.
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He has taken 9 players outside the top 30 in the 4 drafts he has been at the club for.

How many more does he need to have taken for him to "care" about the later picks?

A more valid criticism would be his work in the rookie draft, which has largely been awful. We seem to have preferred to use that to try plug the gap in our age demographics and it has failed.

As for the access to mature aged players, we used that concession to bring in Setterfield and McGovern. Those two vs Kreuger and McAdam...I know which duo I'm going with, and it's not the latter two.
 
Warhorse said:
SOS is stuck in trying to rebuild from the draft like it's the early 2000s. Doesn't work like that got to try and get ahead of the game.

Wells has gone for free agent in Dangerfield and target mature age players in Stewart and Kelly.

What has sos done other than filling up the list with gws off cuts and made Carlton unnattractive to any potential players. Rebuilds on the run work best not loading up and trying to be the next GWS.

Staggered at the level of support for sos on here tbh
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We really didn't have another choice with the list compiled by the previous recruiting. Awful, aging list and anchored to the bottom of the ladder. We weren't going to get free agents of any quality. The alternative taken by SOS has given us a talented bunch of kids, but still not supported in the mid age range. Over to the next coach on that one. SOS has made mistakes which have been discussed, but you need to look at the whole picture and not just selected parts of it.
 

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Warhorse said:
Rebuilds on the run work best not loading up and trying to be the next GWS.
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Rebuilds on the run are the best way to go, absolutely.. but you have to have a foundation that will allow you to do that and I don't think SOS had it when he started. His biggest downfall has been his inability to bring in mature aged recruits to help our youth. The salary cap system infers that players will take big money offers over a shot at success and SOS has learnt that this is not necessarily the case (Shiel, Rockliff). IMO this is the miscalculation that has delayed our rebuild. I believe he remains the man for the job.
 
There was no foundation when SOS arrived.

The house, the foundation, the land had all been burnt to the ground. It was a smouldering mess.

We now have a foundation, and for once his life Craig Hutichnson is right, the open Carlton coach vacancy is "the best ever job in footy".

Rebuilds on the run need a foundation. Once we come good we should have a long period of success and contention. Let's hire our next premiership coach.
 
I don't believe he will be sacked, but I do believe he may step aside by his own accord if he believes it is best for the club.
 
ItsAllAboutMe said:
Not sure if I am a minority or not, but I don’t see why SOS takes any fall for this.. We have built a very good list.. sure a few fails misses like Kennedy and SPS, but as a whole we have the bones of a very good list which is why every available coach will be lining up for the job.
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How is SPS a fail?
 
THE_GUN said:
Whilst slightly off topic but looks as though its moving towards the coaching appointment

I think the Carlton Football Club now needs to go after Paul Roos for a 2 year appointment with an understudy coming in as an assistant as the melbourne model was done.

Carlton supporters have had enough and cannot afford to fail again for many reasons Football , Marketing and supporters
Ideally i would go Roos with Mitchell or even Ratten
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I'm leaning towards this as well.
 

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Arr0w said:
You can certainly make an argument for that HBF, what concerns me more was the poor performance/effort of 22 players
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Effort for the most part has been there, but I just wonder what might have happened had we beaten Gold Coast and Hawthorn.
 
V_23 said:
I don't believe he will be sacked, but I do believe he may step aside by his own accord if he believes it is best for the club.
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Club should refuse any such step-aside.

Knowing the character of the man, he won't back down, nor should he.

As Chris Judd said, "the number of 21 on under players on our list is a liability at the moment, in the future it will be a strength".
 
mochacinolatte said:
If everyone is blaming SOS for trading the probable pick 1 away, they should also look to blame everyone who else was in the room when the trade happen.
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Two things

We haven't finished on the bottom yet

Lets wait to see what SOS is going to get us with that pick.
 
As head of Recruitment Silvagni he must come under close scrutiny for:
A) McGovern and Setterfield traded in .
B ) Pick swap with the Crows.
C) To a lesser extent the Dow and O’Brien selections in the 2018 draft.
D) Lack of mature bodied protection ( age group 24-27) for midfield.
Due diligence was not effective and must be investigated.
These maneuvers have added to our woes.
 
dlb99 said:
Club should refuse any such step-aside.

Knowing the character of the man, he won't back down, nor should he.

As Chris Judd said, "the number of 21 on under players on our list is a liability at the moment, in the future it will be a strength".
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And that will always effect any coach in the short term
 
bmaurizio said:
As head of Recruitment Silvagni he must come under close scrutiny for:
A) McGovern and Setterfield traded in .
B ) Pick swap with the Crows.
C) To a lesser extent the Dow and O’Brien selections in the 2018 draft.
D) Lack of mature bodied protection ( age group 24-27) for midfield.
Due diligence was not effective and must be investigated.
These maneuvers have added to our woes.
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Setterfield could turn out to be a steal. 1st year back from a knee reco. Too early.
McGovern is playing poorly, yet could still be an excellent swingman for us. Needs to be better.
Dow is a better kick than Paul Kelly, Dow needs proper development, can be an excellent mid.
LOB, jury out. Too early to tell.
Pick swap looks bad if we give up number 1, however, will look much better if we get wins. Stocker looks a beauty.
Mature bodies don't want to come to a bottom of the table team, see Shiel. We need wins.
 
Haven't read the whole thread so if it's been covered I apologize.
I think it's far too easy to criticize recruitment with the benefit of hindsight. Our intake has been reasonable I believe.
Where we seem to fail is in identification and development of talent.
Lambert, Holman and Gowers spring to mind... all would be welcome additions to our current list and we had them right under our eyes and let them go
 
More than happy with SOS. Has done an excellent job under the circumstances he had to deal with immediately upon taking on the position. Could have done better with Rookie selections; but then no recruiter is entirely without room for improvement.
 
dlb99 said:
Club should refuse any such step-aside.

Knowing the character of the man, he won't back down, nor should he.

As Chris Judd said, "the number of 21 on under players on our list is a liability at the moment, in the future it will be a strength".
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I got to say this, are you the same dib99 that was here last week?
 
HBF said:
Two things

We haven't finished on the bottom yet

Lets wait to see what SOS is going to get us with that pick.
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Could only give you 1 like but you get a :thumbsu: as well.
 
bmaurizio said:
As head of Recruitment Silvagni he must come under close scrutiny for:
A) McGovern and Setterfield traded in .
B ) Pick swap with the Crows.
C) To a lesser extent the Dow and O’Brien selections in the 2018 draft.
D) Lack of mature bodied protection ( age group 24-27) for midfield.
Due diligence was not effective and must be investigated.
These maneuvers have added to our woes.
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A) Your kidding.
B) Matter of opinion.
C) Your kidding.
D) Granted.
 

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