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Originally posted by karnaby
"master coach", "best list of all time"
Whatever!
But thats what the Saints fans keep telling me
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But thats what the Saints fans keep telling me
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: StK players dont show up to training:Laidley
I think he has already explained why, not sure why that would bother you anyway.
To serve what purpose?
Been plenty of it from where I sit, if you'd prefer to remain in blissful ignorance then good luck to you.
Moomba
I think he has already explained why, not sure why that would bother you anyway.
And Laidley has shown nothing to back him up. Still hasn't. And probably never will. Unless he sourced it from Matthew Capuano
To serve what purpose?
Been plenty of it from where I sit, if you'd prefer to remain in blissful ignorance then good luck to you.
Moomba
Originally posted by Majjie
But thats what the Saints fans keep telling me
It seems to me that your ability to accurately interpret the written word is somewhat lacking.
Further, I feel that your work appears to be clouded by a of hate GT, feel free, but understand that it is recognised.
Pretty disappointing comments by laidley and I am glad that he apologised for it (and was big enough to do it)
First year coach - learning the caper - mistakes are bound to happen and one of the things that Kangaroos like about Laidley compared to Pagan is that in interviews he speaks his mind a lot more. - hopefully Laidley will now realise there is a limit though.
I still don't buy the whole Capuano thing - the non-tolerance of mediocraty is still something that should never had been said
First year coach - learning the caper - mistakes are bound to happen and one of the things that Kangaroos like about Laidley compared to Pagan is that in interviews he speaks his mind a lot more. - hopefully Laidley will now realise there is a limit though.
I still don't buy the whole Capuano thing - the non-tolerance of mediocraty is still something that should never had been said
Originally posted by Ausgard
Pretty disappointing comments by laidley and I am glad that he apologised for it (and was big enough to do it)
Yes the guy was man enough to admit he had overstepped the mark - fair enough
I still don't buy the whole Capuano thing - the non-tolerance of mediocraty is still something that should never had been said
Wrong choice of words and should never have been said.
Pretty disappointing comments by laidley and I am glad that he apologised for it (and was big enough to do it)
Yes the guy was man enough to admit he had overstepped the mark - fair enough
I still don't buy the whole Capuano thing - the non-tolerance of mediocraty is still something that should never had been said
Wrong choice of words and should never have been said.
The 'roos have an off field record worse than the Saints......bathrooms, hotdogs, bouncers, knockers, hotel rooms etc
Thankfully they get it together on-field
Thankfully they get it together on-field
Originally posted by Ausgard
not really - St Kilda supporters say that the coach is good - dispite the overwhelming evidence
Dont know if you are right on this our Ausgard. Many Saints supporters think GT was needed to change the poor "culture" that was inherent at the Saints. His match day coaching is brought into question often. Sometimes its Ok as againts Adelaide and Carlton, somethines its ordinary, as per Collingwood.
Many commentators who have coached such as Stan Alves and Robert Walls share this view.
The jury is still out on GT, but dont think for one minute we all endorse him just because he is the Saints coach.
We don't hate him - we just don't think he is any good
Fair enough, your opinion. Time and results will tell.
not really - St Kilda supporters say that the coach is good - dispite the overwhelming evidence
Dont know if you are right on this our Ausgard. Many Saints supporters think GT was needed to change the poor "culture" that was inherent at the Saints. His match day coaching is brought into question often. Sometimes its Ok as againts Adelaide and Carlton, somethines its ordinary, as per Collingwood.
Many commentators who have coached such as Stan Alves and Robert Walls share this view.
The jury is still out on GT, but dont think for one minute we all endorse him just because he is the Saints coach.
We don't hate him - we just don't think he is any good
Fair enough, your opinion. Time and results will tell.
There is a long way between "master" coach & good coach. I'll stand by my comment about the lack of accurate interpretation.
I'm confident that your "overwhelming evidence" & my interpretation of the same would result in two very different conclusions.
I believe that I had percieved you & majjie had a difference in opinion towards GT. I'd never thought that you hated him but I do think that majjie does (unless of course you are one & the same
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Thomas and Butt@ss are tools.. If Harvey had any leadership qualities they would have done better in the past.
Hamill is the cure.
Hamill is the cure.
I think my comment comes more from the Pyscho Saints supporters who believe everything Black White and Red is Gold and will defend the cause to the point of stupdity.
After reading some of the Collingwood comments on how bad the Port Supporters are based on a few mug supporters heckling the Collingwood Cheer squad I probably should know not to apply such broad brush strokes to all supporters from the one club.
I think the "Jury is still out" is still a bit of a "rose tinted" opinion though. I would think anyone who has coached 45 odd games should be judged on their performance while the 3 new coaches this year should still have reserved opinions.
While watching the Saints games I still think its a bad sign that whenever you look at the Saints coaching box you tend to see GT staring at the game and not doing anything (compared to some coaches who are always on the phone to someone - makes it look like they are trying something). The more games I see the more I come to think that St Kilda win games because they have some bloody good players rather than any tactical nous from the coach.
Obviously my opinion and all that and it may be that Grant Thomas is just cursed with a talented but young side that another coach will inherit and get all the glory from the hard yards that GT had to put in. Time will tell of course
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Explained why? He justifications, well, if you can call them that, leave a lot to be desired.
Why would I bother? Maybe because I don't like football figures mouthing off at my club with absolutely no evidence that they'd care to share with us.
Put up or shut up.
You tell me? Your coach made the comment.
Well if you'd care to share with us where you sit, and where this smoke is eminating from, we'd like to hear about it.
That is, unless the Kangaroos club policy of refusing to elaborate on source material has filtered down to the fans as well?
The only smoke around here is the contract Matthew Capuano signed and the money we burnt on that useless sod.
The only fire happens to be coming from the red-hot Allan Murray.
Keep it coming Moomba. Keep it coming Murray.
Explained why? He justifications, well, if you can call them that, leave a lot to be desired.
Why would I bother? Maybe because I don't like football figures mouthing off at my club with absolutely no evidence that they'd care to share with us.
Put up or shut up.
You tell me? Your coach made the comment.
Well if you'd care to share with us where you sit, and where this smoke is eminating from, we'd like to hear about it.
That is, unless the Kangaroos club policy of refusing to elaborate on source material has filtered down to the fans as well?
The only smoke around here is the contract Matthew Capuano signed and the money we burnt on that useless sod.
The only fire happens to be coming from the red-hot Allan Murray.
Keep it coming Moomba. Keep it coming Murray.
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Where are these people? Do they post somewhere I can't see? Apart from saintsrule and maybe one or two others, I'm not exactly sure who you are referring too?
Possibly one of your better ideas.
The jury is out on Peter Schwab. Next.
Can't say I spend a lot of time watching GT in the box. I prefer to have a look at what he's coached his boys out on the field to do.
He's not a tactical maestro, but he must be doing something right. Otherwise we wouldn't have won more games this year than for the years 2000, 2001 and 2002 in total.
Same goes for North, Freo...
Come to think of it...it goes for every club.
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He explained that he made the comments becuase he had and still has an emotional attachment to Capuano, a former permiership teammate.
He apologised to Thomas, is anything going to be served by continuing on.
He made the comments in defence of a premiership teammate, he apologised, I'd get over it if I were you.
You obviously don't understand the term. If a number of people start talking about problems at my club, backed up by evidence or not, I would be more concerned than if they weren't commenting on my club.
Is that a Kangaroos policy now?
Good decision by the match committe then, I don't see anyone there holding there hand up.
Congrats, he has played one good game. He also has nothing to do with Capuano's sacking.
Just calling it as I see it.
Moomba
He explained that he made the comments becuase he had and still has an emotional attachment to Capuano, a former permiership teammate.
He apologised to Thomas, is anything going to be served by continuing on.
He made the comments in defence of a premiership teammate, he apologised, I'd get over it if I were you.
You obviously don't understand the term. If a number of people start talking about problems at my club, backed up by evidence or not, I would be more concerned than if they weren't commenting on my club.
Is that a Kangaroos policy now?
Good decision by the match committe then, I don't see anyone there holding there hand up.
Congrats, he has played one good game. He also has nothing to do with Capuano's sacking.
Just calling it as I see it.
Moomba
Originally posted by Ausgard
I think my comment comes more from the Pyscho Saints supporters who believe everything Black White and Red is Gold and will defend the cause to the point of stupdity.
I personally will defend my club against ignorant, or uninformed attackes by posters here, and will expose their hypocricry and double standards with rational (sometimes subjective - but hey sometimes you have to fight fire with fire) and factual (well not always) posts.
Your post here is a reasonable and well presented argument, and deserves a polite and thorough reply.
My replies to the moronic trolls of last week were completely different, due to there provocative nature.
After reading some of the Collingwood comments on how bad the Port Supporters are based on a few mug supporters heckling the Collingwood Cheer squad I probably should know not to apply such broad brush strokes to all supporters from the one club.
All clubs have imbiciles and fools supporting them. I witnessed a middle aged Hawthorn supporter sitting near me in the SOuthern Stand attack a young Saints supporter physically in the 4th qtr yesterday while his wife and young son looked on in horror. You wouldn't say all Hawk supporters are like this low life.
I think the "Jury is still out" is still a bit of a "rose tinted" opinion though. I would think anyone who has coached 45 odd games should be judged on their performance while the 3 new coaches this year should still have reserved opinions.
Yeah well fair enough. I look at the glass half full rationale. He took over for 7 games in 2001 and won one. The team was decimated with injuries last season and won 6 I think.
This year with a better run of injuries and a slightly more experienced team we have won 5 form 10.
Lets see how the season pans out. If the Saints manage 10-12 wins he will have brought them along well. If they manage less than 10 - well the dogs will be howling.
While watching the Saints games I still think its a bad sign that whenever you look at the Saints coaching box you tend to see GT staring at the game and not doing anything (compared to some coaches who are always on the phone to someone - makes it look like they are trying something). The more games I see the more I come to think that St Kilda win games because they have some bloody good players rather than any tactical nous from the coach.
I dont see him on the phone much, but what does that mean? The TV only cuts when he is watching the game?
The game changed yesterday with Reiwoldt moved to CHB and I think Gehrig moving forward (i can be corrected on this) Reiwoldt got into the game and Peckett up forward (an unusual move as he usually plays on the HBF) kicking goals to keep the Saints in it.
His move to play Harvey on Crawford was also a good move.
Look mate dont get me wrong, he has been outcoached by Malthouse and Laidley this year, BUT, he outcoached Ayres, Pagan, and Thompson in the process. he aint a great coach, but he is just what the Saints needed, and still do.
Obviously my opinion and all that and it may be that Grant Thomas is just cursed with a talented but young side that another coach will inherit and get all the glory from the hard yards that GT had to put in. Time will tell of course
I dont think cursed is the correct word. I think it is preplanned for it to work EXACTLY like that. I would love to see an Eade, or Wallace, or Matthews to take ove an almost developed St.Kilda, after GT has put all the work in.
I think my comment comes more from the Pyscho Saints supporters who believe everything Black White and Red is Gold and will defend the cause to the point of stupdity.
I personally will defend my club against ignorant, or uninformed attackes by posters here, and will expose their hypocricry and double standards with rational (sometimes subjective - but hey sometimes you have to fight fire with fire) and factual (well not always) posts.
Your post here is a reasonable and well presented argument, and deserves a polite and thorough reply.
My replies to the moronic trolls of last week were completely different, due to there provocative nature.
After reading some of the Collingwood comments on how bad the Port Supporters are based on a few mug supporters heckling the Collingwood Cheer squad I probably should know not to apply such broad brush strokes to all supporters from the one club.
All clubs have imbiciles and fools supporting them. I witnessed a middle aged Hawthorn supporter sitting near me in the SOuthern Stand attack a young Saints supporter physically in the 4th qtr yesterday while his wife and young son looked on in horror. You wouldn't say all Hawk supporters are like this low life.
I think the "Jury is still out" is still a bit of a "rose tinted" opinion though. I would think anyone who has coached 45 odd games should be judged on their performance while the 3 new coaches this year should still have reserved opinions.
Yeah well fair enough. I look at the glass half full rationale. He took over for 7 games in 2001 and won one. The team was decimated with injuries last season and won 6 I think.
This year with a better run of injuries and a slightly more experienced team we have won 5 form 10.
Lets see how the season pans out. If the Saints manage 10-12 wins he will have brought them along well. If they manage less than 10 - well the dogs will be howling.
While watching the Saints games I still think its a bad sign that whenever you look at the Saints coaching box you tend to see GT staring at the game and not doing anything (compared to some coaches who are always on the phone to someone - makes it look like they are trying something). The more games I see the more I come to think that St Kilda win games because they have some bloody good players rather than any tactical nous from the coach.
I dont see him on the phone much, but what does that mean? The TV only cuts when he is watching the game?
The game changed yesterday with Reiwoldt moved to CHB and I think Gehrig moving forward (i can be corrected on this) Reiwoldt got into the game and Peckett up forward (an unusual move as he usually plays on the HBF) kicking goals to keep the Saints in it.
His move to play Harvey on Crawford was also a good move.
Look mate dont get me wrong, he has been outcoached by Malthouse and Laidley this year, BUT, he outcoached Ayres, Pagan, and Thompson in the process. he aint a great coach, but he is just what the Saints needed, and still do.
Obviously my opinion and all that and it may be that Grant Thomas is just cursed with a talented but young side that another coach will inherit and get all the glory from the hard yards that GT had to put in. Time will tell of course
I dont think cursed is the correct word. I think it is preplanned for it to work EXACTLY like that. I would love to see an Eade, or Wallace, or Matthews to take ove an almost developed St.Kilda, after GT has put all the work in.
Perhaps it is saintsrule and one or two others - though as far as I can recall I have never had an issue with saints rule
what are some of my worse ideas ?
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no its not - he is gawn - he has had plenty of time and the tank now seems to be empty. no where near in the same boat as GT. Laidley, Rohdes and Roos have not had anyone suggesting they should be sacked (and Rohdes is 1-9!) while GT continues to have his detractors
Do you understand what I mean now ?
you see about half a dozen shots of it a match when watching it on TV. have a look out for it next time. Its an interesting lesson in Pschology the differences between all the coaches
Not necessarily. It might be that the saints are winning more games because their list is getting more talented and more experienced because of how badly they have gone in previous seasons.
This is the point I was making - With the talent that the Saints have (and nobody denies it) the local Under 7's might be able to get them across the line against weaker opponents. Perhaps a better coach will get them into the finals and keep them there
I wouldn't say that
Chris Connelly could easily be the first Freo Premiership coach. Make the finals this year - preliminary finals in 2004 and Premiership in 2005 - you would hardly sack him from now until then for any of these results
Laidley is a bit different - Roos are probably 3-4 years away from being serious finals contenders so it might be the next North Premiership coach is the one after Dean Laidley.
Its also certainly not the case for a team like Port or Adelaide. They are hunting premierships now. The next coach is most likely going to have to rebuild because Williams and Aryes are most likely going to be deposed after it looks like the current crop are not going to get them to the Premiership
you gotta stop letting trolls get to you
They are trolls - which is both their crime ... and their punishment
I would have thought 12 would be the minimum myself or at least 11 (1/2 and 1l2 win loss ratio) but you are obviously a more forgiving type. My mother is a die-hard saints fan and she froths at the mouth whenever GT's name is mentioned - Perhaps some of it is just rubbing off on me
Credit wear credit is due - the Reiwaldt move was a match winner. If this turns out to be the norm rather than the exception I think a lot of Anti-GT talk will start to disappear
I think all Saints fans would love that, I just think that the process would be accelerated if GT left at the end of the year or at the very most at the end of next year - If his contract is extended without a preliminary final under his belt I really thing the St Kilda faithful should be out for the St Kilda Executive's blood.
Originally posted by Ausgard
you gotta stop letting trolls get to you
They are trolls - which is both their crime ... and their punishment
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I think the dockers are one year further advanced than we are, yet your criteria for judging the two coaches is basically the same. Sorry, but I think this is unfair to GT.
Your Mum seems to have failed to fulfill her saintly duties by not indoctrinating you when you were a little Ausgard.
Originally posted by Ausgard
Weren't half of those when Carey was a Crow ? (or at least not a Roo ?)
The Hotdog we have to take on the chin though - but in all fairness - it was a pretty cr@p hotdog
Hotdog - King
Hotel room - a group of the boyz lead by Shannon trashed it and they were off their face
knockers - The King needed something to hold on to in king St
Bouncers - Abraham
Bathroom...Kellie and the gang
There's more too. I know the goings on at the 'roos (and saints)more than I do my own club b/c of business contact.
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No doubt Grant is what I'd call an empowerment coach, along the lines of we've worked on it all week, now do your job. Failed miserably in the Collingwood game but also gives players the confidence to know they won't be dragged after 1 mistake.
It's the opposite of what happens in basketball, 2 points to win 5 seconds left and the coach is drawing up a play. Why? what has he been doing all week? the pre season etc? Actually basketball is a good analogy, the Lindsay Gaze/ Phil Smyth method v the Brian Goorjian/ Alan Black method. Which is best????
Originally posted by karnaby
I think the dockers are one year further advanced than we are, yet your criteria for judging the two coaches is basically the same. Sorry, but I think this is unfair to GT.
Your Mum seems to have failed to fulfill her saintly duties by not indoctrinating you when you were a little Ausgard.
Unfortunately for the Saints my Father was a Roos supporter and the kids started paying attention during the late seventies when the Roos were strong and the Saints were not.
Also mum said that if we didn't follow the saints she would be disappointed while dad said if we didn't follow the Roos we would be living on the street
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Actually I was a bit surprised you got some mud slung at you from a fellow supporter - I thought it was a "
" from a friendly rival.When I think of Rabid trolling its very hard to go past Yze_Magic, Chris_Judd and PowerRanger. No matter how bad you are - these guys carry the trolling baton. (worthy successors to Rohan_)
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