Stolen generation ‘better off’

[MSR273]

http://www.thewestaustralian.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=8871

The right wing created stolen generation :

“We are all familiar with the tragedy known as the stolen generation,” he said. “That generation now, whilst imbued with a deep sadness of having been taken from their families, are generally educated and educatable, employed and employable and possess the social skills to survive and thrive in society.

“They are also now generally impeccable parents.


and compare this with the left wing created neglected generation

“Far too often Aboriginal children are being born with the promise of an empty life, only to have life fulfil that promise,” Mr Heaney said.

“I make these comments not as Aboriginal bashing but because of a developing sense of hopelessness for an increasing number of Aboriginal children who, because of parental neglect, are being deprived of the most fundamental rights of a child — the opportunity to develop hopes . . . and ambitions for the future.”

“The present situation is a reaction to the stolen generation. The hands-on approach of the stolen generation has been replaced with a hands-off response.

“We are now seeing before the courts the consequences of this neglect. We are seeing a generation of Aboriginals who could be described as the neglected generation.”

What can you say, chalk up another disaster to the good intentions of our lefties. Will they ever learn?

 

[Chief]

From one extreme to the other. It will happen sometimes. But hey, blame everyone holding views that fall within an entire sphere of political thought. That'll make you at least feel like a smart man won't it?

 

[estibador]

There's an article in Saturday's West Australian about a 5 month old girl that died of pneumonia in Kununurra as a result of neglect by her alcoholic parents. This despite the fact that 3 of the baby's aunts and an uncle had begged the Dept of Community Development to place her into care.

The State Coroner criticised the DCD for 'general reluctance' to intervene in cases of Aboriginal children at risk. The sad fact is that as a result of the backlash of the stolen generation authorities are now gunshy about removing Aboriginal children from their parents even when there is a real risk to the children's safety.

If one was so inclined, you could make a case that as a result of the right's unwarranted actions in the past authorities are now hamstrung in their efforts to protect children that are in real jeopardy. But that would be cheap political point scoring at the expense of childrens lives.

We've created a rod for our backs now. If the authorities act on cases of neglected children they are accused of racism and the stolen generation tag is thrown in their faces. Don't act and young children are left at risk. It's a sad state of affairs wherever you sit on the political spectrum.

 

[Mossie]

What can you say, chalk up anothe...ids from parents is the way to go...:thumbsu:

 

[Pessimistic]

bear in mind any kids moved, forcibly or otherwise, whether from aboriginals here or from orphanages or poor parents in europe, they inevitably became de-facto servants to their new parents. Thats the way it was in that era.

We could argue each case (if they acknowleged it) and some aspects of life would be better but lets not petend they won tatslotto!

 

[MSR273]

Now you admit there was a stolen generation? That is more than Howard and Co...Good on you.

Stealing kids from parents is the way to go...

I refer to the myth of the stolen generation, and acknowledge that a very small percentage of Aboriginals that found their way into state care may have been unfairly removed.

However, it is the false perception of the stolen generation that exists within the lefties minds that is obviously doing the damage now to this generation of Aboriginal children, who are being left in situations of extreme abuse and neglect, which often lead to death.

How ironic that the lefties outrage at institutionalised abuse of Aboriginals has directly lead to far greater abuse of aboriginal children by neglectful parents and imcompetant government agencies.

We will probably have another sorry day for this round of aboriginal children. I wonder if the Labor governments overseeing this debacle will be so quick to insist on apologies and compensation for their gross incompetance.

 

[MSR273]

From one extreme to the other. It will happen sometimes. But hey, blame everyone holding views that fall within an entire sphere of political thought. That'll make you at least feel like a smart man won't it?

Anybody with a shred of rational capability would have foreseen this as an obvious result of the stolen generation myth hysteria.

I think you would call these people racists.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Unfortunately the aboriginal kids will be the ones reaping the seed that the lefties sowed.

 

[Pessimistic]

Not that the crocodile tears of the right will help them much either

 

[Mossie]

I refer to the myth of the stolen generation, and acknowledge that a very small percentage of Aboriginals that found their way into state care may have been unfairly removed.

However, it is the false perception of the stolen generation that exists within the lefties minds that is obviously doing the damage now to this generation of Aboriginal children, who are being left in situations of extreme abuse and neglect, which often lead to death.

How ironic that the lefties outrage at institutionalised abuse of Aboriginals has directly lead to far greater abuse of aboriginal children by neglectful parents and imcompetant government agencies.

We will probably have another sorry day for this round of aboriginal children. I wonder if the Labor governments overseeing this debacle will be so quick to insist on apologies and compensation for their gross incompetance.

Come on ... be honest...you are using this as a "left" bashing excercise

You couldn't care less about them do you?

 

[funkyfreo]

I refer to the myth of the stolen generation, and acknowledge that a very small percentage of Aboriginals that found their way into state care may have been unfairly removed.

So you believe that a group of people that you don't believe in are better off?

Yeah - Aboriginal welfare since the stolen generation is a vertiable left wing dream scenario MOre like a right wing "well we'll leave em with their families and forget about the lot of them.

As a general rule I think most poor people out there today would still choose to have not been stolen from their parents when kids, even if it made them "better off" financially.

 

[Ripper]

So you believe that a group of people that you don't believe in are better off?

Yeah - Aboriginal welfare since the stolen generation is a vertiable left wing dream scenario MOre like a right wing "well we'll leave em with their families and forget about the lot of them.

As a general rule I think most poor people out there today would still choose to have not been stolen from their parents when kids, even if it made them "better off" financially.

Sorry Funky , but the lefties were wrong then and they are wrong now not to admit they were wrong.

In between they have castigated many good people who had the kiddies best interests at heart.

The so called stolen generation was a lesser/similar percentage than the children currently taken into care.

And even Today there are too many that fall though the cracks (being kind) in the system.

 

[rayven]

There's no ending to the damage Christian fundementalists cause.

To this day people try and justify the fascist ****.

 

[estibador]

There's no ending to the damage Christian fundementalists cause.

To this day people try and justify the fascist ****.

Are you referring to removing aboriginal children from their parents?

If people could see 1st hand the conditions some of these kids are forced to live in then there would be no arguement that many of them should be placed into care for their own protection.

 

[funkyfreo]

In between they have castigated many good people who had the kiddies best interests at heart.

and many right wingers have done the same - as though everyone who took a left leaning approach never had the kids interests at heart. The very statement assumes that the policies of the stolen generation era had anything even remotely resembling the kids' best interests at heart.

The so called stolen generation was a lesser/similar percentage than the children currently taken into care.

So you are in favour of a policy that took a smaller % regardless of situation, compared to policies that take a greater % kids in to care while selectively targeting the worst cases?

You honestly would prefer that less kids who really need care are in care, less in total were in care, and kids that don;t need to be in care are in care in place of kids who are now not in care even though they probably should be?

Rip I'm sure you and me in a room and we would agree and come up with a good solution for the future, so no beefs there. But the stolen generation is a black black spot in our history. What we have done since then is also pretty bloody average but I don;t think you can blame the left for it as though the stolen generation was a wonderful idea that should still be happening.

 

[funkyfreo]

Are you referring to removing aboriginal children from their parents?

If people could see 1st hand the conditions some of these kids are forced to live in then there would be no arguement that many of them should be placed into care for their own protection.

Or how about put some effort into improving the conditions themselves? The situation of a huge amount of Aboriginal Australia is diabolical - the solution is not taking away all their kids and doing sod all else.

 

[Ripper]

and many right wingers have done the same - as though everyone who took a left leaning approach never had the kids interests at heart. The very statement assumes that the policies of the stolen generation era had anything even remotely resembling the kids' best interests at heart.

None of us exactly know the motives , but living in the present it doesn't need to be Einstien to figure out that if the same abuse & neglect problems We see today (amd that is just the ones we see and local knowledge knows that a majority goes unreported) existed in as large a number at least of the stolen generation era , the people back then would have had little choice to intervene.

So you are in favour of a policy that took a smaller % regardless of situation, compared to policies that take a greater % kids in to care while selectively targeting the worst cases?

You honestly would prefer that less kids who really need care are in care, less in total were in care, and kids that don;t need to be in care are in care in place of kids who are now not in care even though they probably should be?

Rip I'm sure you and me in a room and we would agree and come up with a good solution for the future, so no beefs there. But the stolen generation is a black black spot in our history. What we have done since then is also pretty bloody average but I don;t think you can blame the left for it as though the stolen generation was a wonderful idea that should still be happening.

Unlike you . I have interacted with products of both groups fo over 25 years.

The article is spot on in that the stolen generation are in the main good parents who have passed those skills down to their children.

They also are very literate and try to istill the value of education in the off spring.

On the other hand it is sad when We see People having to leave town when their primary school students have been sexually abused at school by other students , who have been abused themselves by people who were most probably abused and the relevant authoruties are too PC to do anything about it.

It is a very complex problem that should not be politised at all.

Being a bit of a leftie once myself and now being around a bit I consider this attempt to re write history is a travesty on many good people of many different denominations and backgrounds.

BTW the Hostel in Hall Creek has finally got under way (after over a year) and in their wisdom the authorities are putting all the kiddies in with all the abused teenagers.

Do they learn nothing?

BTW the Wiluna School is still in Limbo after over a year since the Governor paid out that it was "The worst school facility that He had seen"

 

[Ripper]

Or how about put some effort into improving the conditions themselves? The situation of a huge amount of Aboriginal Australia is diabolical - the solution is not taking away all their kids and doing sod all else.

Unfortunately that is a long tried and long failed policy Funky.

There needs to be a circuit breaker to break the cycle that has got worse over the last 30 years.

 

[The_Eagles]

Many historical descriptions imply that Aboriginal people were passive victims of their desires, drifting nomads who became unwillingly entangled in European settlement. On the contrary, it is clear that Aborigines were active, purposive and enterprising in their quest for food, clothes and tobacco. The determined search for tobacco (from Europeans) was a cultural transformation of a pre-existing economic activity. Procuring tobacco (as well as blankets and food) from Europeans was viewed as a rightful exchange for the loss of land and resources incurred at the hands of outsiders.

 

[funkyfreo]

Unfortunately that is a long tried and long failed policy Funky.

I agree cmpletely - doing sod all else has not worked

 

[rayven]

Are you referring to removing aboriginal children from their parents?

If people could see 1st hand the conditions some of these kids are forced to live in then there would be no arguement that many of them should be placed into care for their own protection.

What was the last sentance of my post?

 

[rayven]

None of us exactly know the motives , but living in the present it doesn't need to be Einstien to figure out that if the same abuse & neglect problems We see today (amd that is just the ones we see and local knowledge knows that a majority goes unreported) existed in as large a number at least of the stolen generation era , the people back then would have had little choice to intervene.

Do you know anything about Genocide/oppression/military occupation/racism and properganda to back this policy up?

What it does do a race who have no ability to contest it?

Not much can be done and no attempt has been made except to wipe out there culture.

People in this country pass comment on palestinians and Zimbabweans but are not educated or will accept because of the properganda that we are 2 centuries into the same thing.

 

[MSR273]

So you believe that a group of people that you don't believe in are better off?

The stolen generation is basically used to imply every aboriginal kid who was in care was there as a result of being wrongly stolen. This I believe is a myth, but a lot of aboriginal kids were obviously in state care.

Yeah - Aboriginal welfare since the stolen generation is a vertiable left wing dream scenario MOre like a right wing "well we'll leave em with their families and forget about the lot of them.

Well, not according to the article, but you know better.

As a general rule I think most poor people out there today would still choose to have not been stolen from their parents when kids, even if it made them "better off" financially.

I wonder if you read the article. This is not about having a few extra quid in the bank. It is about totally dysfunctional aboriginal families neglecting their kids resulting in the problems we see with Aboriginal communities these days. Rampant crime, substance abuse, sexual abuse, suicides and repeating the cycle by neglecting their kids. On the same page as this article was one about a 5 month old baby with two alcoholic parents, who died from absolutely shocking neglect. Had it been a dog, the RSPCA would have removed it immediately. Unfortunately, it was an aboriginal, and left to suffer, then die.

 

[MSR273]

Or how about put some effort into improving the conditions themselves? The situation of a huge amount of Aboriginal Australia is diabolical - the solution is not taking away all their kids and doing sod all else.

Hmmm, taking their kids away may not solve all the problems of the aboriginals, but it will save the lives of many aboriginal kids, and give them a future, where before they had none. It is sure as hell a good start I would have thought.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Many historical descriptions imply that Aboriginal people were passive victims of their desires, drifting nomads who became unwillingly entangled in European settlement. On the contrary, it is clear that Aborigines were active, purposive and enterprising in their quest for food, clothes and tobacco. The determined search for tobacco (from Europeans) was a cultural transformation of a pre-existing economic activity. Procuring tobacco (as well as blankets and food) from Europeans was viewed as a rightful exchange for the loss of land and resources incurred at the hands of outsiders.

Tell me did you get that from Keith Windshuttle!